1/23    Bin Laden captured?
        http://www.homelandsecurityus.com
        \_ Wow, a completely unconfirmed rumor.  Of course, they might
        keep is secret if they captured him, for political reasons.
        Therefore, they MUST have captured him!
        \_ Can you see how this rumor formed?
           http://csua.org/u/5ow  link:csua.org/u/5ov
           \_ an aspect left out of those two articles is that people traded
              up the dollar on the rumor, which then went back down after it
              was declared a joke.

1/23    My wife heard there was a big buddhist temple in Berkeley. If
        any of you know of one, please let me know (Name, address). TIA!
        \_ She may have been talking about
           http://www.berkeleyzencenter.org  which is right next to the
           infamouse "Thai Brunch," served out of another temple.
           You can get yummy Thai food, one block north of the Ashby BART
           station on Russell.  Brunch is every Sunday morning, opens at
           10am, runs out of food around 12:30          - brain
        \_ I don't know the address, but it's in the Berkeley Hills behind
           frat row somewhere.  I used to be able to see it from my window
           in the co-ops.
           \_ Do you know the street or a nearby street?
              \_ somewhere around here: http://csua.org/u/5os
                 didn't you used to be able to move the star on these things?
                 back by CCRP, behind Prospect somewhere.
              \_ dude, just stfw.
        \_ You don't mean the Nyingma institute, do you?
           http://www.nyingmainstitute.com/tour.html
        \_ Thanks for all yer suggestions. We'll check some out today.
           If you know of anymore, lemme know. -op

1/23    Don't know if this public knowledge, but the Yahoo bulk email
        problem seems to be fixed!
        \_ I know. thank goodness!
        \_ was it one of our doing, or something automated that fixed itself?
        \_ How many people wrote a polite email explaining the error?
           \_ ..

1/23    Buy a politician on http://Amazon.com!
        http://www.amazon.com/gp/misc/flag.html/104-7161507-6323163

1/23    Any opinions on best car under $50K? I've got a BMW 3 series now I am
        going to keep, but not sure I want another (5 series) because a change
        might be nice.
        \_ I'm going to resist the urge to delete your post and just tell you
           to fuck off and die.  You're welcome.
        \_ buy a vintage pinto.
           \_ What a miserable fuck you are.
        \_ wrx sti or a legacy b4 turbo.
        \_ E36 M3. Much cheaper than $50K and fun.
        \_ If you've got that much money to burn, how about I sell you my
           Corolla for $50k?
        \_ Keep up with clothes fashions in stead.  It's a lot cheaper.
        \_ Why waste $50k on a car?
           \_ Instead of buying the Ferrari I can SAVE $50k by buying the Beamer
           \_ Why waste any money on a car when I can buy a beater for
              $1000, right? Don't tell me you spend all of your money on
              utilitarian things. It's okay to have a few nice things.
              \_ those aren't the only two alternatives.  What about 20k for
                 a car and 30k for a boat.  Now you have a decent, comfortable
                 car *and* a boat.  I don't think that a 50k car is ever better
                 by a factor of 2.5 than a 20k car in any really useful way.
                 These choices all reflect a personal value system.  In my
                 view some value systems are simply better than others, and
                 the kind of person who would spend 50k on a car is best
                 summed up by the term "asshole."
                 \_ heh, like the boss from _willard_?
                 \_ In my value system, a boat is a waste of money (hole
                    in the water into which you throw money - better off
                    chartering a boat the 1x a year you use it) and $20K car is
                    a POS. I am very glad to be rid of my Nissan and my
                    Honda for the BMW.
              \_ what if i do tell you that?
                 \_ Then you're an idiot.
              \_ Nothing wrong with wanting nice things, But $50k for something
                 with a terrific depreciation rate is a bit silly.  I spent
                 $60 for a good kitchen knife by telling myself it'll last
                 forever if i take good care of it.
                 \_ I see. So how much to spend on a car is not silly?
                    $1K? $2K? $20K? $40K?
                 \_ What about leasing?  I don't know anyone with a 50k plus
                    car that actually bought it.
        \_ E36 M3. Much cheaper than $50K and fun.
                \_ Is that 900kg all carbon-fiber M3 available on the US?
                   The CSL looks pretty cool.  -John
                   \_ E36 is the generation before the current E46. I don't
                      think it's all carbon-fiber.
           \_ Why E36 M3 over E46 M3?
        \_ wrx sti or a legacy b4 turbo.
        \_ MB SLR McClaren.

1/24    Captain Kangaroo RIP

1/24    Can someone recommend a good mail client for Windows that nicely
        handles multiple mailboxes, each with its own outbound server (I
        need IMAP + TLS) hopefully besides Outcrook?  Tried Opera, Mozilla,
        Firebird, Pegasus, none of them particularly seem to like multiple
        SMTP servers.  -John
        \_ I use both Mozilla and Thunderbird w/multiple SMTP servers.  They can
           be a little difficult to configure, because the dialog for changing
           server settings doesn't seem to remember more than one change at a
           time, but once I got it all configured I didn't have any problems.
           -emarkp  [formatd, damnit]
                     \_ What was wrong with my formatting?  I have tabs set to
                        8, and I wrap at 80 lines to minimize # of lines in a
                        post. -emarkp
                        \_ you're going past 80. you do all the time.
                           \_ Whatever.  I'll keep an eye on it, but it seems
                              to be working fine for me and my settings haven't
                              changed.  I'll set my wrap at 79 in case your
                              settings are messed up. -emarkp
                              \_ My settings?  It's only your posts.  I've
                                 counted my chars/line with both wc and my
                                 fingers.  No one else goes over as often
                                 as you.  --formatd
           -emarkp
        \_ I use both Mozilla and Thunderbird w/multiple SMTP servers.  They
           can be a little difficult to configure, because the dialog for
           changing server settings doesn't seem to remember more than one
           change at a time, but once I got it all configured I didn't have
        \_ Eudora will do this, and if you are still affiliated with Berkeley
           as a student or staff, you can get it for free.
        \_ The Bat! baby. Let the bats fly again..
           http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat
           any problems.  -emarkp  [formatd, damnit]
                                 fingers.  No one else goes over as often as
                                 you.  --formatd
                                 \_ I'll be sure to turn of tabbing then and
                                    insert spaces only.  Less chance for
                                    problems. -emarkp
           \_ OK thanks that's what I thought should happen.  I's remembering
              them ok, but can't seem to figure out which one to use with
              my two test accounts.  Meantime, postfix/cyrus-saslauthd on
              FreeBSD is giving me grief, so I'll have to fix that first.
              Thanks.  -John
           \_ speaking of which, how to set up SMTP / IMAP connect to Soda?
        \_ Eudora will do this, and if you are still affiliated with Berkeley
           as a student or staff, you can get it for free.
        \_ The Bat! baby. Let the bats fly again..
           http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat

1/24    How does one learn to get charisma?     -engineer
        \_ My theory on charisma:  You have a genetic glass ceiling for how
                                              \_ meaning, physical characteristics
           much charisma you can obtain.  Most people function below this
           ceiling (either because it's too much work to be charismatic, or
           they haven't developed the knack).  I think the best way is spend
           a lot of time around people and learn them, like you would learn
           a machine or a programming language.  Learn what makes them tick,
           and what makes them happy.  The way of charisma is the way of
           manipulating a complicated human machine.  A lot of this knowledge
           will be subconscious and difficult to articulate, but that's how it
           is with lots of complex skills.
           \_ you're assuming he knows anything about computers or machines.
        \_ learning to spell first helps. nobody likes a dummy.
           \_ Nothing like a wise-ass comment about someone's typo that
              instantaneously kills charisma. If you want to
              attain charisma, learn how to speak in public. -williamc
              \_ i'm not the one trying to attain it. also, speaking well
                 in public is only one of many parts that contribute
                 to the overall effect.
                 \_ In order to speak well in public one must be able
                    to obviously communicate well. In order to communciate
                    well one must be engaging (people are willing to
                    listen to you in the first place). In order to
                    be engaging one has to have charisma. Charisma
                    is the most important factor in public speaking.
                    Notice how charismatic individuals are elected to
                    public office over less charismatic ones, often
                    to the detriment of public policy. Note, I have
                    said nothing about content, because content is very
                    much secondary to the hoi polloi. Anyway, if you do not
                    have it and you do not seek it, you are probably not
                    qualified to comment on it. -williamc
                    \_ no. it really depends on what kind of charisma you're
                       talking about. a movie star might be described as being
                       charismatic on screen; this means only that he's likeable
                       and you can empathize with him. i wouldn't follow him
                       into war though. there are other kinds of charisma for
                       that; these usually involve conveying an aura of authority,
                       which is often linked to physical and intellectual prowess.
                       \_ we call that "other" form of charisma, "leadership"
        \_ Quaff random potions until you find the Gain Charisma one.
           \_ and there's that magic cloak, too!
           \_ ask your DM.

1/24    I'd like to upgrade my 15 year old cordless phone which is still using
        40 something megahertz. Should I get a 2.4GHz digital phone or
        a 2.4GHz DSS (digital code hoping) phone? Which one is more secure,
        has a better quality, range, etc? By the way I also have a cell phone
        but the quality (clarity, lag, etc) is still inferior to a land based
        phone. Thanks!
        \_ How about a 5Ghz phone, since 2.4Ghz phones have been known to
           interfere with 802.11b wireless routers (in case you have one)?
        \_ No one is listening to your boring phone calls.  Security should
           be the last reason you choose one phone over another.
        \_ Just a note: frequency has little to do with quality here, or
           even range.  Go for 900 Mhz, avoid the radiation and
           interference.
        \_ Another note:  The Panasonic handsets heat up with 2.4 GHz (and
           probably 5 GHz).  The 900 MHz one does not, and has great battery
           life.  You probably get better range with 2.4 or 5.  As far as
           quality, 900 is fine -- if you notice clicking about 10-20% of
           the time, just rock the switch to the left a few times to change
           to another channel.  I've never heard any interfering conversations.

1/23    How does one set the tab stops for a unix shell?
        \_ unix shell doesn't have tab stops -- thats all in your terminal
           program!

1/23    Just a fucks, I'm really loving the new motdedit.
        \_ Totally unrelated but why do we say "many fucks"?  You
           cannot realy count "fuck", can you?
           \_ Sure you can. A fuck is an expression of gratitude. I fuck
              you once, I fuck you twice, that's two fucks.
              \_ you funny!

1/24    So who's going to see Mel Gibson's Jew-hating fest?
        \_ "It is as it was".
           \_ it was a troll.
              Also, there is some controversy whether he even said
              the "" statement or not.