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| 2004/1/15-16 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:11782 Activity:nil |
1/14 I have multiple email account, and now I use IMAP/POP3 fetch them
to my local harddrive (except my CSUA shell account). That is not
hard. My question now is, when I reply to these email account,
I want to make them *THINK* that the email is replying from the
account which I recieved them from. How to do that? can
I achieve this by install an email server + fetchmail ?
thanks
\_ Um, how convincing does it need to be? Setting your From:
header should be sufficient for casual observers. Most mail
clients let you do this. Some, e.g. mutt, can automatically
set the from header based on the mail you are replying to.
\_ Mutt? Get off the motd, mutt-whore! You were doing well until
you started pushing your own personal brand of mail client
poison. Why didn't you say, "Some, e.g. mh, can automatically"
instead of mutt, huh? This is clearly anti-mh discrimination
and is an indignity up with which I will not put!
\_ My current arrangement is download all my emails (yahoo, hotmail
etc) to Thunderbird, and when I reply, I uses my New York
account's SMTP server. Because of the nature of emails are
different from account to account, I would like to keep them
(appearently) seperate. Yes, manually changing the "From"
header is suffice, but the header need to be changed based
upon where the person has send the email to, instead of who
the person is. I thought would be a common problem among
Sodian geeks, and wondering if any of you has any solution to
this problem. --OP
\_ so what, one is your cia account, one is your fsb
account, one is your child porn account, or what? why is
it so imperative that the headers not reveal what smtp host
you're using? |
| 2004/1/15 [Science/GlobalWarming, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:11783 Activity:nil 66%like:29749 |
1/14 So those mortar shells turned out not to be chemical weapons
at all, why didn't our triumphant anonymous motd post a retraction?
\_ you are a bitter liberal
\_ you are a sheep! -!op
\_ You're all sheeple!!! -- crazy guy on cable access
\_ O'Reilly's interview on ABC's Good Morning America (March 18, 2003)
"Here's, here's the bottom line on this for every American and
everybody in the world, nobody knows for sure, all right? We don't
know what he has. We think he has 8,500 liters of anthrax. But
let's see. But there's a doubt on both sides. And I said on my
program, if, if the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein
and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation,
and I will not trust the Bush Administration again, all right?
But I'm giving my government the benefit of the doubt. . . ."
.... now, do you recall when he apologized? What? You DON'T?
BECAUSE HE NEVER DID. AND NEITHER WILL THE REST OF THE ASSHOLE
REPUBLICANS.
\_ "Where the debate is, is why haven't we found huge stockpiles
and why haven't we found large caches of these weapons? Let's
let the Iraqi Survey Group complete its work." -Colin Powell
\_ Wouldn't it be funny if the survey group said "you know,
we couldn't find anything!" and Powell voluntarily took
the blame and resigned?
\_ there is no point to drill on this. we all know Bush just want
to get Saddam, and there is no rational reason behind it. God damn
I wish my tax dollar could be better spent.
\_ What's to retract? The original URLs all made it very clear that
the shells were being sent for testing. When are you going to
ask that Dean open his records from his time as Governor? What is
he hiding? My favorite so far is his energy commission which held
secret closed door meetings with leaders from the energy industry
from which he formed his energy policy... just like... Dick Cheney!
\_ Because the claims were touted as "look, WMDs may have been
found!" with a small clarification much later "oh they need to
do a little testing." In a case like that you should have the
the decency to correct yourself later.
\_ This is barely worth replying to since in your own statement
you make it clear it was "may have been" as if that's such a
strong statement. If the primary crime is saying "may have
been", there is no need for later clarification that testing
is required. The "may have been" directly implies testing
is required and I think it was nice of the journalists to
state the implied outright instead of making us guess. You
are so full of hatred that you'll take the most reasonable
and non-inflamatory statement such as "may have been" which
we all agree was in the same article as "requires more
testing" and turn it into some twisted bit of evil. You're
really lost and out in the hinterland on this one. There are
lots and lots of valid anti-Bush anti-Iraq-war things you
could go off on. This isn't one of them.
\_ Last I checked Dean's energy policy didn't cost $150 billion.
\_ So it's ok because he was from a small state? So Cheney's
crime wasn't that he did the same thing as Dean, just that
it cost more? If Dean was from a big state or did this as
a member of the federal government then it would be bad? So
a bank robber who gets away with $20 at gun point is ok but
if the bank had more cash on hand that day and it was $1000
then it would be really terrible? Blind, blind, blind....
\_ There is no okay here. There is, however, better and
worse. Dean's energy policy not only didn't cost an
unfathomable $150b, it also did not do so by explicitly
lining the pockets of those who provided input. If you
cannot see how what the Bush admin did was worse than this,
you'll need to start carrying a white cane yourself, so's
we can see that you can't see.
\_ Remember to vote for your lizard, so the other lizard
doesn't stay in office.
\_ take me to your lizard!
\_ Anything to change the subject. You forgot to mention
that Clinton got a blow job. |
| 2004/1/15-16 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:11784 Activity:kinda low |
1/14 recommendations on reliable web/email hosting companies? they
can be large 'national' companies or smaller local ones --Jon
\_ http://he.net |
| 2004/1/15-16 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:11785 Activity:kinda low |
1/14 I'm trying to flush output to disk after each write. This never writes
to disk. What am i missing here (the file is being created):
#!/usr/bin/perl
$|=1;
open(TEST,">test.txt") || die "Can't open: $!";
print TEST "Testing\n";
while(1) {}
\_ call system's synch ?
\_ $|=1 is supposed to flush after every print/write...
\_ You forgot to call "select STDOUT" or "select TEST",
because $| bind to the last selected file descriptor.
\_ dear motd god, you're suppose to delete
useful replies. where are you?
\_ not even the censorbotidiot has the nerve to
kill this perfectly helpful response. |
| 2004/1/15-16 [Computer/Networking] UID:11786 Activity:kinda low |
1/14 I am getting DSL for the first time. The instruction from SBC says
that I have to install stuff from their CD and leave the modem on for
10 days for them to "maximize the speed." I don't really want to
install their custom browser and god-knows-what. Can I just ignore
their instructions and still get the highest speed possible?
\_ do the entire install, then afterward, just use the EnterNet
shortcut to get your computer on the net.
\_ Yes, but you need to buy a router. You also need to have an
external modem. You will need to check if it's USB or Ethernet.
If you insist on a direct PC
connection you can get away with only installing the
Enternet software. However, using software to connect
to ADSL PPOE is just eating up mem and cpu cycles. Oh,
and you do have to install the software at least ONCE to
establish your new DSL account login unless you have
an existing sbc/yahoo account that works. You can email
me if you need more detailed instructions. -williamc
\_ you do not need to install their crap if you have XP.
\_You do if you don't already have an existing account. You
need to login somehow with their software the first time
and fill out the registration crap. Then just deepsix it.
otherwise if you don't have XP, good luck, since SBC-
Yahoo fucked my computer up. had to reinstall everything
after I installed their lousy software.
\_ You can ignore it. If you're going to configure your router to
dial the PPP link, you need to rember that your username is not
'johnqsodan' but actually 'johnqsodan@sbcglobal.net'. Also, config
your router to use DHCP.
\_Technically, this isn't really necessary. You can use a static
IP Address if you so desire (very useful for running things
like Solaris or Linux where you want a static IP so you can
ftp to the boxes, etc.).
Alternately, just use whatever PPP dialer your OS has and use DHCP
I don't know if it matters if you leave it connected for 10 days,
but if you're using a router, that shouldn't be too inconvenient.
\_ I'd strongly suggest a cheap firewall/NAT/router box. You can even
get a wireless one for about $60-$70, and it greatly simplifies the
process.
\_ I recommend the D-Link DI-624
\_ if their wireless cards give any indication of the performance
of their other products, i'll never buy dlink again.
\_ Isn't that one of the models that suffers from the constant
dropping of ssh terms? (after 15 minutes of inactivity)?
\_ Make sure that they give you the ethernet DSL modem, and NOT the
USB crap. The EnterNet s/w will mess up your computer, no doubt
about that. Uninstall as soon as possible. Ditto the advice on
buying a router. Get one with a hardware-based firewall with a
packet inspector thingie (e.g. SMC). Wireless is great, too,
but get ZoneAlarm Pro or similar.
\_ Wow, what a fucking mess! I've got a cable modem and never had to
worry, know, or think about any of this shit. They plug in the
box, make sure it can ping, and get the fuck out of my house. No
login crap, no stupid software, no custom anything. It just works.
\_ here, here. But they're paying 40% less than you are.
What's the deal with PPPoE anyway? Why does SBC use it?
\_ I'm paying $45/month which includes the hardware rental. When
the standard changed and I needed a new box, they swapped it
out as part of the service (ie: free). 40% less/month but
dealing with all that bullshit doesn't look worth it. I truly
have always-on. No login. No PPPoe. No account. And I can
plug in more devices into the same switch my cable modem is
plugged into, turn on dhcp and they all get their own valid
public IP addresses with no extra billing or bullshit. How
much exactly does DSL cost these days? Last I knew it was
about the same as cable.
\_ $26.95/month for SBC-Yahoo DSL, free dsl-modem
self-install kit, no set up charge, 1-year contract
You ought to call your cable company, ask to be
matched to the DSL price, else claim you might switch
\_ I think you have to agree to use SBC for local toll or
long-distance to get that deal.
\_ No. At least not in Bay Area, CA
\_ Isn't this total crap, like 356k download?
\_ My cable rate is 1.5 down and 256k up. What is this
$27/month DSL rate proving for speed?
\_ Thanks for all the replies! Actually I use a mac. Does the rest
of the advices above all apply to Mac as well? Can I login the
the 1st time service with a router instead of directly? (I ask
because there does not seem to be a way to change MAC address,
and self-install is not supported for a router connection.)
\_ Install the stuff, register, get your PPPoE account *AND* the
yahoo freebies (bigger email inbox, yahoo web-mail etc.)
then uninstall the SBC software and do PPPoE thru a
Linksys/Dlink router (and it gives you a firewall & allows you to
share the broadband connection, very cheap now $20-40 with rebate).
You can also use their SBC web-site to register instead of loading
the software, or if you get a clueful fone-support tech, they
can do it for you. BTW,the SBC install software is buggy and
can hang at the very last step, but you can just ignore that part.
\_ and after you leave their dsl service, will they turn off your
yahoo account like aol does with screen names?
\_ Why does SBC ask new user "leave the DSL modem (not the
computer) on for 10 days after first use" to "maximize speed"?
What can that do? |
| 2004/1/15 [Computer/Rants] UID:11787 Activity:nil |
1/14 Forget India, the next outsourcing trend is South America:
http://biz.yahoo.com/bizwk/040113/sb200401120920_1.html
\_ Yeah, I want to outsource to South America, good idea with
the Argentine government in near shambles, Shining Path getting
back together after the failed reforms in Chile, Columbia continually
drug smuggling and Venezualan guerillas bombing pipelines on a daily
basis. It makes the Kashmeer fueds look like small potatos.
Anyway, if I was going to outsource south I'd be thinking Mexico
before any of the S. American countries.
\_ Oh yeah and India was such a bright choice being under constant
thread of nuclear destruction for years? Mexico? It has similar
problems to SA, as well as rampant corruption, an entirely fucked
up federal government and a hot and cold running indian rebellion
in the south. Good call. Mr CTO? You're fucking fired! |
| 2004/1/15 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:11788 Activity:high |
1/14 Re: deep blue thread yesterday. I actually met the designer of deep
blue, Feng-Hsiung Hsu, a couple of times because he's a friend
of my wife's family. People just call him "deep blue". :-) After
he left IBM, VCs started throwing money in his direction for his
startup. Not sure what happened to his company. -taiwanese guy
\_ my summary of this thread:
<DEAD>www.ucomics.com/foxtrot/2004/01/13<DEAD>
\_ Luddite!
\_ I've read up on some URLs. The Deep Blue team was allowed to
modify the program between games in the tournament. These
modifications were made with the help of human grandmasters.
Deep Blue didn't beat Kasparov. Rather, Deep Blue with between-
game tweaking by human grandmasters beat Kasparov. That closes
the issue in my book. (That Kasparov went nuts and was incorrect
in suggesting that Deep Blue was being modified during the game
doesn't change the main point.)
\_ Yes, but Kasparov consults (quite frequently) with fellow
grandmasters during (when recessed) and between games. He also
employs computers to look for variations. So the resources
available to the Deep Blue team are available to Kasparov.
Similarly between games Fischer would consult others for advise
and modify his tactics according to past games. So it's not really
fair to say that the Deep Blue team can't modify the program
to reflect what essentially amounts to learning. A human tweaks
himself between games, so why can't a computer program be
tweaked in between games?
\_ wait a second. he talks to grandmasters *during* games? how can
that be? that's like chess by committee. I think you're wrong
there. Or else grandmasters advising Deep Blue would be ok.
\_ You could even argue that Deep Blue was "talking with
other grandmasters and improving its strategy" between games,
just like Kasparov could do the same. But while it
sounds appealing, I'm kind of uneasy about this reasoning.
\_ I think it would be better if neither side could do any out
side consulting or tweaking.
My gut feeling was that Kasparov was alone here, and
the corporate resources of IBM way outmatched him in the
between-game improvements.
\_ Well in the end the machine played by itself each game. Being
tweaked before and after games doesn't really change that. GK
made some mistakes too. It's not like they would know what
Kasparov would do in the next game.
\_ Some would argue that the engine was so tweaked to play
Kasparov, that it wasn't a general engine, but rather a "beat
Kasparov" engine. We'll never know, since it didn'y play
anyone else.
\_ That's true for any world-class chess player preparing
the issue in my book.
for a match. Such a player would spend a lot of time
optimizing his play for his opponent by studying his games,
preparing tailored opening surprises, etc. -- ilyas |
| 2004/1/15-16 [Uncategorized] UID:11791 Activity:moderate |
1/14 A note on "hear hear": it was born from parliamentary proceedings,
where a speaker's supporters would exclaim "hear hear", ie, "hear him,
hear him".
\_ drives me fucking crazy when people use "here here" instead. grr.
\_ uh, language changes over time. deal, frenchy.
\_ Then why not "listen listen"?
\_ There's actually subtle differences in meaning there that would
take a bit of explaining. Basically, "hear" implies more than
just having listened. You can listen without understanding, or
without hearing for that matter. Similar to looking/seeing.
\_ More white imperial racism |
| 2004/1/15-16 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Languages] UID:11792 Activity:nil |
1/14 Is there an enscript-esque tool for Win32 with a GUI? I want to print
source code including highlighting, formatting, etc. Thanks.
\_ Eclipse does a pretty good job of this, but it's a full featured IDE
\_ UltraEdit too.
\_ PrintFile32 -- it allows you to specify keywords for a language if
it's not in the code. Works great for C-like languages (I haven't
really used it for other language families).
http://www.lerup.com/printfile
\_ the most lightweight is probably TextEdit
\_ Thanks for the suggestions! -op
\_ Civility on the motd!?! Begone! |
| 2004/1/15-16 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:11793 Activity:low |
1/14 My gf doesn't know anything about unix so I end up changing her
.spamassassin/user_prefs and .procmailrc. I've symlinked user_prefs
to my own user_prefs and that seems to work. However, I'm unable to
symlink .procmailrc to my own file... for some reason procmail doesn't
pick up on other people's .procmail. What are some other remedies
to this?
\_ It could be part of the security model that symlinked files
(especially ones linked to different user names) aren't trusted.
\_ Indeed. This is one of the "don't blame sendmail/procmail"
things. Just copy the file.
\_ err, why don't you just copy?
\_ because I don't want her pw and I'm tired of asking her
to type "cp ~tom/.procmailrc ~"
\_ Then tell her to put "cp ~tom/.procmailrc ~" in a
cronjob
\_ put it in her .cshrc or .login or whatever dotfiles you
have her using. upon login should be good enough. why
would she want the same filters you use anyway? |
| 2004/1/15-16 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:11794 Activity:nil |
1/15 I need a small NAS-RAID (on the order of 500 gigs or so) for a bunch of
developers. I was thinking of constructing one from parts using
SATA and Linux. Anyone got a better idea? Purpose is mainly for
NFS mounting, so it has to have decent (although not blazingly fast)
performance. I don't care that much about hot-swappability. Needs to
be RAID 1 or above (redundancy at 2x is enough). I was thinking of
spending maybe 4K on it.
\_ If you want to provide NFS access don't use linux. Linux
has terrible NFS performance/reliability. FreeBSD is much
better at NFS (if you want to stick with a free/open os).
\_ Apple Xserve RAID 1TB (500GB usable RAID 1) @ $6K, free kool-aid.
\_ I said, you're very phunny. Do you make yourself happy with your
little joke?
\_ This is easily doable for the budget you have in mind. SATA
seems nice, but I haven't seen any real world results for
performance and failures. Considering that you can buy 250G
disks for $300 or less, you can easily do 500 gigs. Do RAID 5
you'll get more space.
\_ I haven't gotten a SATA board/drive yet, AFAYK how many
SATA drives can I reasonably dump into a box? If I can
dump 8 of them in there I'll get more drives. Also, are there
any more oustanding issues with Linux NFS hooking up to Solaris?
(clients here at the office are all solaris boxen).
\_ There are no major issues with linux/solaris using nfs. You
may have to tweak some mount options to get super performance
but frankly your developers are unlikely to know the diff.
There are cases available that have room for as many as 20
drives. 16 is more common. 8 fits in a 2u box. You have
many options. -MSG
\_ Our Solaris 8/9 clients have lots of problems with
with Linux servers. Only v2 seems to work well on
Linux servers.
\_ Depends on what you call "problems". Will it work at
full speeds with default settings? Usually not. Will
you have to read a man page and change one or two nfs
client mount options? Yes. Oh! Horrors! -MSG
\_ I'm not talking about full speed. I'm talking
about problems such as multiple simultaenous
reads hanging nfsd or cases where a client
writes a file but the file ends up truncated on
the server. Even if the clients mount using v2
such problems occur on a weekly basis for ordinary
files (esp. for files larger than 1gb).
\_ There's no reason at all to use SATA. Just go get a case, stick
in motherboard, any cpu, and 256 megs and an 8 port ware card.
attach 8 cheap ass 80 gig IDE drives in a raid5 stripe and forget
about it. Total price is way under 4k. If you want it mirrored,
then get 8x160 drives and mirror 4x160 stripes instead of raid5.
Mr. Motd Storage Guru signing off.
\_ That SATA/SATAN joke wasn't even close to funny. There's tons of
terms you can make risque by changing a letter.
\- if you are a solaris shop, why dont you just take sun you
presumably already have and just spend all of your budget on
a small HWraid. assuming you feel your time is valuable,
this may be the most convenient thing to do. --psb
\_ This is a pretty good idea, too, but be careful what you get
for an external array. Some are really crappy and I've lost
entire raid sets when it decided to go JBOD on me after a
hwraid unit crash. I've had good luck with Arena raid
arrays attached to different systems. --MSG |
| 2004/1/15-16 [Computer/Companies/Yahoo] UID:11795 Activity:nil |
1/15 Is mail from csua to yahoo still being filtered as bulk? If so,
how long has this been going on?
\_ that's weird, i've been sending mail to friends with http://yahoo.com
accounts without any difficulty
\_ yes, and about 2-3 weeks
\_ WTF is their problem? Is there anything that we can do about
it? Or is it simply a matter of them designating any mail
from csua as spam, no matter what?
\_ just a guess, but if you look at the headers, the DES ident
thing looks like a hash buster. perhaps yahoo's learning
system is being fooled by this. -jl
\_ Is there anything root can do to change this? -op
\_ i retract this. i think soda's ip is just on their
shit list.
\_ curiously, it seems that if mail from csua is sent somewhere else
and auto-forwarded to yahoo, yahoo does not filter it. could it
be that one of the mail servers on the route from csua to yahoo is
triggering yahoo's filters?
\_ X-YahooFilteredBulk: 128.32.112.233
\_ What makes you think that? I am sure we deliver mail directly.
\_ Then why is yahoo filtering it as spam? I guess they are
in a competition with hotmail to see who sucks the most.
\_ I don't know why, but your theory is bunk. Look at
the headers on a message delivered to yahoo.
\_ ok, you're right. mail from csua is sent directly
to yahoo. Still, mail that originates from csua and
that arrives at yahoo via an intermediate server is
not filtered.
\_ You're not being specific enough to be useful. Are
you relaying a csua address through another machine? |
| 2004/1/15-16 [Computer/SW/Apps, Reference/Religion] UID:11796 Activity:nil |
1/14 The Bible as IRC chatlog
http://www.ircbible.destrukto-theater.nl |
| 2004/1/15-16 [Recreation/House] UID:11797 Activity:nil |
1/14 Is it better to have an arm rest on your chair? Without it I have
no palce to put my arms, but with it sometimes it gets in the way.
\_ better with. lets your shoulders rest
\_ better without. When resting your arms, let them hang down at the
sides. If you rest your arms *while* typing, you're cutting
circulation to your hands while exercising, which makes RSI much more
likely. I've helped several people who have had RSI by 1) showing
them stretches for their arms, 2) adjusting their chair, 3) buying
these: http://www.mousemitt.com/wrist.html and 4) removing the
armrests.
\_ Ergonomics expert: what is the medically correct rule for chair
adjustment?
\_ sorry, but I'm a bit weird maybe. i like a chair with 1 arm rest
on the left. the one on the right tends to get in the way while the
left one provides a tiny amount of support at my elbow but not
enough to cut off circulation or anything like that. typing for
about 25 years now with no signs of RSI or anything else. |
| 2004/1/15-16 [Computer/SW/Apps/Media] UID:11798 Activity:nil |
1/14 this is kinda cool: a plugin that automatically sets your yahoo
away msg to the song you're playing in winamp.
http://www.brokenvaporware.com/products/msgramp
(won't work for the guy below... maybe someone can make one for
iTunes.... or maybe a generic one? search some specified tree
of music files and assume any open file-handle is being played?) |
| 2004/1/15-16 [Computer/SW/Apps/Media, Consumer/Audio] UID:11799 Activity:nil |
1/14 Has anybody else tried iTunes (the player) simply as a winamp
substitute? I'm nearly weeping at how *nice* it is. Would someone
kindly point me toward the kool-aid?
\_ does it play mp3s, or does it need to convert to their format?
\_ it plays mp3s.
\_ what does it do that is so improved over winamp?
\_ free kool-aid
\_ english translation?
\_ I'm not a mac/ipod person but I love iTunes. It's got a great
UI for organizing and finding your music if you have a lot of
files. For me it's replaced 4 programs (player, CD ripper,
CD burner, and id3-tagger) and it does all of their functions
well. It's also cool to use it at work if your coworkers use
it because you can check out everyone's music at your leisure.
Can someone explain the kool-aid references? I've heard this
before but I don't get it. - !op
\_ google "jim jones" and cult
\_ Wait wait, so anything Apple related is a cult? You're
so phunny!
\_ I didn't say Apple was a cult, but I was pointing them
to the origin of the kool-aid reference.
\_ yes, they managed to sell millions of people a device
with a non-rechargable and non-replacable battery. and
the evil little things continue to sell like hotcackes.
if that isn't a cult I don't know what is. I don't
know of any other company that could get away with that
sort of shit without 99% return rates.
\_ non-rechargable?!?! Why do I not believe you?
\_ http://ipodbatteryfaq.com
\_ thanks for the faq. as it says, it is going
to cost bucks to get the battery problem taken
care of. it's a cult. and to the person who
doesn't believe me, don't interrupt. i moved
your thread down here where it belongs, not in
the middle of my statements. it's rude and
makes the whole thread hard to read.
\_ I posted both the question, AND the faq.
your statement was false - it IS
rechargable, just not easily replaced.
\_ My error in word choice but not intent.
I intended to say that once the battery
is dead it is dead. I did not mean that
you get 6-8 hours of play and then it
turns off forever. I stand by my
statement that only a cult could sell a
device by the millions that will die in
18-24 months and just be dead without
shelling out an additional $50 to $100. |
| 2004/1/15-16 [Uncategorized] UID:11800 Activity:nil |
1/14 insane!: http://dane.6server.com/Milena/page_01.htm (not work safe) \_ Most of us can find our own porn, thank you. \_ It's just another fat woman. Look at her waistline. |
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