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| 2003/12/24 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Reference/Military] UID:11579 Activity:high |
12/23 Regards to Nurenberg Trial. Nurenberg is just an instrument for
the victors to humilate and extract values from the defeated enemy.
This is why none of the Allie forces ever got tried for the atrocity
they commited. This includes looting of Nazi treasury and art
collection (which still sits in the National Archive in Washingon DC),
as well as includes nuclear bombing, fire bombing,
and all the carpet bombing we performed on civilians.
This is also the reason why some of the Nazi units, noticebly the
African Corp and the Nazi Navy, who fought the war with extremely
high degree of professionalism, also got tried and convicted by
the Nurenberg.
This is also the reason why Emporer of Japan, who ultimately
started the Asian front of World War 2, didn't get tried as a
war criminal. Ridiculously, last emperor of China was tried
as a war criminal for being a puppet of Japanese Empire.
Then, there is the story of Unit 731 of Japanese Army, who used
civilians and POWs to test chemical/biological weapon.None of them
were even tried because they made a deal with USA. In exchange for
their freedom, they gave USA the test results of these chemical/
biological weapon experiments using human subjects.
There is nothing perplex about Nurenberg once you accept the fact
that it is nothing more than instruement to enhance US and British
interest. If you try to think in the line of administering justice,
then you will have serious problems.
-- a Chinese who has no sympathy toward Japan,
but still think nuclear bombing is wrong.
\_ To the victor, go the spoils. So fucking what? And as far as
American still thinking of China as a subject state, again, so
fucking what? If it was the other way around, the Chinese wouldn't
be sitting around wondering how they can sell us more Big Macs.
They'd have destroyed our country and our children right through
college would be learning about how the Great Leader Mao saved us
from our Imperalist Oppressors and it only cost us DC, LA, and
Chicago, but hey they were all bastions of evil capitalists anyway.
Take your Chinese troll to some place that gives a shit. When
you're a citizen you can vote and then your opinion will matter
to someone. Or you can go home and vote there, but, oh no, wait,
sorry, you can't vote there. No one can vote there.
\_ Of course you can vote there, moron! You can vote "yes" or
"yes".
\_ Yes you can vote there, moron! You can vote "yes" or "yes".
\_ Can you elaborate on the Nazi units with extremely high degree of
professionalism part? Thx.
\_ think he means no rampage of killing, no sniper, no
sabotage, etc, that they fought according to the book &
followed the Geneva Convention of treating US soldiers
with respect.
\_ Heh. Snipers are unprofessional now?
Are you on crack? Should we go back to the civil war
era of gentleman wars where people marched around in
tightly packed formations, and targetting officers
with respect.
was considered poor sportsmanship? wtf
\_ Frankly as an American with both of my grandfather's fighting in
in WWII I don't give a fuck what you think. That said, in the
battle for Okinawa over 250,000 died. Extrapolate those numbers
to Kyushu and then the home island...
Japan had its entire Army intact in China, and the
Soviets were days from entering the war. Had they, Japan and
China would likely still be partitioned like the Koreas.
Furthermore it was impractical to move the millions of needed
troops out of Europe because of the Soviet threat. One could
go on and on...
\_ Partition was unnecessary. It end up being partitioned
as result of USA and USSR splits the spoils of the war,
treating the Chinese as nothing more than their Imperialistic
subjects. This mentality still exist today in the mind of
Americans. |
| 2003/12/24-25 [Health/Disease/General] UID:11580 Activity:high |
12/23 What is the purpose of a fever? Does a higher temperature kill viruses
or something?
\_ Most of the enzymes in your body are highly tuned to operate at
a temperature of 98.6 (or so). Viruses take over normal
cellular machinery and convert them into producing more virii.
Raise the temperature, and "normal" cellular machinery slows down,
and the virii can't reproduce as fast with their commandeered
equipment. The immune system cells, though, have enzymes which
work faster at the higher temperature. So, the virii reproduce
slower, and the immune system works faster, at higher temp.
\_ There is no such word: "virii" The correct word is: viruses.
\_ so, why do people want to lower the temperature with tylenol and
wet towel on the head?
\_ Accoring to the link below, you have a point but some people
have also died of persistent fever.
\_ I'd rather be sick for a little while longer than brain my
damage.
\_ looks like you're too late.
\_ So I was trying to prove this via Google (that over 98.7
kills brain cells). I know that higher temp kills sperms,
but I can't find proof that it'll kill brain cells. You
got a URL for this?
\_ "This is your brain on drugs".
\_ High fevers can cause brain damage. Like 104 degrees
\_ so, why do people want to lower the temperature with
tylenol and wet towel on the head?
\_ Accoring to the link below, you have a point but some
people have also died of persistent fever.
\_ I'd rather be sick for a little while longer than brain
my damage.
\_ So I was trying to prove this via Google (that
over 98.7 kills brain cells). I know that higher
temp kills sperms, but I can't find proof that
it'll kill brain cells. You got a URL for this?
and higher.
\_ http://science.howstuffworks.com/question45.htm |
| 2003/12/24-25 [Health/Disease/General] UID:11581 Activity:low |
12/23 http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/12/23/mad.cow/index.html First case of mad cow disease found in the US. This is a Bad Thing. Anyone who read Fast Food Nation should not be in the least bit surprised by this. \_ Only the brain, spinal cord, and lower part of the intestine of the infected cow are discarded. The rest still entered the food supply! \_ http://csua.org/u/5d1 \_ Actually the inected parts were "rendered" which means they go back into the beef food supply. There is no way that BSE can occur in just one cow. This isn't isolated \_ "MOOOOOOOH!!!" "Ack, it's atacking me!" "MOOOH MOOH MOOH!" "..." \_ buy EMRG, ICGE \_ acronym explanationP \_ search on yahoo finance. Fuck and I bought ICGE at 0.44. \_ Blackboard IPO announcement soon. \_ Time to STOP feeding cows with left-over cow parts. \_ I love that the administration felt the need to let everyone know that there wasn't a terrorist link. Can't you jsut imagine those evil Arabs sneaking around Washington feeding cows slabs of beef? \_ Idiot. All you'd have to do with walk around a farm with crap on your shoes from an infected UK farm. What is it about the motd that brings out the most truly ignorant people to rant the loudest about things they know less than nothing about in such a self righteous way? \_ You'd actually have to have quite a quantity of BSE agent (usually brain tissue with enough prions in it) and feed it to the cow to cause BSE. BSE isn't spread through contact, \_ they should have stopped feeding cows with left-over cow parts. but through heavy ingestion of the prion. In reality, BSE isn't that easy to spread, but the problem is that it takes literally years for the first symptoms to appear, so most likely what has been happening is that cowfeed contains cow, which contains trace amounts of BSE. Since cows are being continually fed cows the BSE builds up, and then you reach a critical point and you have whole herds with BSE. Before you start calling people idiots perhaps it would be prudent if you actually studied the biochemistry of BSE. --williamc \_ That's not how MAD COW spreads. Perhaps you have it confused with hoof&mouth disease? \_ Evil Arabs With Muddy Shoes! |
| 2003/12/24-25 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:11582 Activity:nil |
12/13 California energy "crisis" was a scam:
http://csua.org/u/5d5
\_ Well no FUCKING SHIT.
\_ Seriously, did you just figure this out? Is this the first time
you've heard the name "Enron"? You need to stop playing so much
nethack, get out of the aol chatrooms, cancel your everquest account
and read a newspaper once a month.
\_ why is this showing up *now* on the motd? The link is dated at
9/17/2002! |
| 2003/12/24-26 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:11583 Activity:nil |
12/13 I am about to rent an apartment in Mountain View. The contract
allows rent hike with 2 months' notice. Is rent going to increase
in the next year? I am wondering whether I should sign for m2m,
6m, or 1yr.
\_ gee, I sure miss the Bay Area...NOT!!!!!
\_ Rent will increase. LLs (most of the time)
will hike the rent. Some large, corporate LLs may keep the
rent the same or give you a break but this is rare. This is
even rarer in South Bay and rarer than rare for anything less
than a 2-bd. Word of advice: shop around prior to renewal
and negotiate. The rental market is soft right now and it's
thought to remain soft well into 2004. I was able to keep my
rent the same in East Bay even though pretty much everyone in
my apartment complex had a 5% hike. (They just signed the
renewal offer). Oh and it's easier to renew for a deal then
to get out of a deal (penalties?) so I'd say sign for 6m-1yr.
\_ Ignore all the idiots below. The answer is you should sign for
the length of time you expect to be there. In this case you'll
have that plus 2 months to figure out where you want to live after.
The other option is to sign for the shortest period possible if
you're willing to apartment hop every few months to save a few
bucks on rent. In that case get the shortest possible terms.
\- well obviously if you know you are joining the army or getting
married etc you may have a good idea of "the length of time
you epxect to be there" but most people dont, down to the
month. duh. if the person knew the nswer to this, he wouldnt
be asking what to do in the face of uncertainty. --psb
\_ genius boy scribbles to motd again. look genius boy, he made
it pretty clear he's planning to be in the area for at least a
year, his only question is about if he should sign long to
lock in a low rent or sign short so he can move if it drops.
i answered for both the long and short term cases while you
completely failed to do either. your best response was to
tell him to post his name so you could tell him your sob story
in email. go smoke your pipe, genius boy.
\_ please consult madame cleo for answers to all of life's pressing
questions.
\- you are probably best off signing for a year. i know what i
am talking about but i am not going to explain unless you
sign your name. --psb
\_ What does signing name have to do with this? (S)he is not
trolling about chocolate or WMD? The BIG one is coming?
\- because i want to try and stave off
E_CASTPEARLTOSWINE --psb
\_ It seems possible that there may be details that The
psb is not willing to share on motd that he might be
willing to go into via email or chat, etc. Try to use
your brain a little bit.
\_ It was possible until he replied above making it clear
he's got nothing to say.
\_ If the terms for the rent increase are the same for all three
periods of time, sign m2m. Figure that rent will start increasing
late next year, but not that much if at all. More COLA. Not as
many jobs being created.
\_ on the one hand, motd posters fret over a housing price crash.
on the other hand, they worry about increasing rent?
What gives?
\_ It's fun to bash home owners on the motd and spread FUD but when
reality strikes....
\_ It's similar concerns. An increasingly ambiguous economy. A
jobless recovery when real estate prices are increasing thus
allowing landlords to maintain high rents. If the bubble bursts,
homeowners lose lots of equity, but how the housing/rental market
will react is unknown. High unemployment during a recovery means
those with jobs will have fewer opportunities to increase
salaries significantly by trading up jobs.
\_ trading up jobs? what happened to your employee loyalty?!
\_ It went right out with companies cutting pensions.
Legislated out of existence by 401k's
\_ So it's all about money, huh? Sing the corporate song
and think of your cube mates! Team spirit! |
| 2003/12/24-25 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:11584 Activity:low |
12/13 "Organizers charge white students $1 for a cookie, while blacks and
other minorities pay 25 to 95 cents. Doughnuts are available for 50
cents to everyone except Asian Americans and whites, who cannot
purchase them... Unfair? So is affirmative action, organizers contend."
from http://csua.org/u/5d4
\_ The most pathetic thing is that these stunts were first pulled
by conservatives at UM during their recent affirmative action
debate, and it appears on the news wires every time some imitators
buy a couple of poster boards and $20 of cookies at the local
supermarket. (The people who were suing UM were horribly deluded
to think that their race kept them out, btw.) And also, wtf wants
to go to UW?
\_ Not everyone can get into your rich little white boy school.
\_ How come Asian Americans cannot purchase them? -asian am
\_ There are no asians in Washington.
\_ Because Asian Americans, like whites, need higher GPAs and test
scores to get admitted compared to applicants of other races.
\_ that is sooooo untrue. Look at Vietnamnese people. I've
roomed with 2 of them and 1 of them was a total complete
loser who liked to mod his car with ugly looking spoilers.
The other one was a thief who took my mail and stole
my CC # to buy things. Both of them went to VCs.
\_ VCs = vietcongs?
\_ Trolling with public funds. Obtaining cookies has an even playing
field. Education does not.
\_ Wtf does 'even playing field' even mean? What about poor white
immigrants, etc?
\_ At the most distilled, Opportunity. Anything from parents
that actually know that they should help you learn (and
hopefully had an education themselves) to having a teacher
that recognizes your individual needs in education and has
the funds and time to address them. --scotsman
p.s. and before you get your panties in a bunch, no, race
lines are not a perfect way to draw the boundaries, but
strangely enough, the economic and racial lines show a
strong corellation.
\_ Then why not just choose economic lines and ignore race?
Do you seriously believe that middle class black parents
will raise their kids less well or know less than poor
white trash from the sticks? Doing anything by race is
evil. No bullshit. No excuses.
\_ Do you seriously believe that racism is not still a
part of the problem? And "anything by race is evil" is
a little strong. Look at the reasons Prop 54 went down
so hard. There are real divisions in terms of health
care and education that must be addressed in terms of
race/culture. --scotsman
\_ Nice dodge. What about those middle class black kids
vs. the poor white kids? Go read your own words
above starting with "Opportunity. Anything from
parents...". Stop ducking and please answer.
\_ It's not a dodge. It's multiple parts of
the problem of education. There is racism, and
there is insufficient funding and opportunity
for poorer schools/students etc. There is no
panacea. Racism has perhaps garnered more
attention, but calling it solved is ludicrous.
Scholastic funding for poor areas is a problem
that has headed in the wrong direction for a
long time. --scotsman
\_ Ben, what problem are you solving? Are you
solving: (a) that some parents are idiots,
and don't instill the value of education in
their kids (such people exist in all races)
(b) that some people are poor and some are not
(such people exist in all races) or
(c) racist attitudes about some people (they
exist about people of all races, in particular
jews, members of the caucasian race, have been
the 'beneficiaries' of racism for thousands of
years). So, which problem is it? And why
penalize whites, regardless of which of the
three it is? -- ilyas
\_ I am not a communist as you believe,
ilya, but I do believe that education and
health care are rights that everyone should
be guaranteed. I think that racism impinges
on peoples' access to education. I think
that the best teachers spend nearly as much
time educating parents as they do on their
students (which shouldn't be necessary, but
is). I think the phrase "benefitting from
racism" is loaded, and as unhelpful to
discourse as comparing affirmative action
to cookies is. Returning to the financial
aspect, I believe investment in education
has a higher return that most people suppose,
and deserves more funding than we have
devoted thus far. --scotsman
\_ Let me ask this again. What justification
do you have for penalizing whites?
It doesn't have to be moral, it could
be pragmatic. I just want to know what
the justification is, because I don't
think it has been articulated yet.
-- ilyas
\_ Refer to history. Social movements brought us here.
Helping the poor is not what the rich do... Helping
those who were socially outcast has much more political
leverage. Besides the "Poor" don't vote...
\_ Helping the poor is exactly what the rich do. It is
not what the middle class does because they can't
afford it. That's why you get ultra rich leftists
like Gates and Buffet saying taxes are too low. They
don't care what the tax rates are because it doesn't
mean anything to them but it makes them feel less
guilty to know they may have helped some poor people
(at the real world expense of the middle class). So,
anyway, you seem to be saying that we should help
the middle class black kid but ignore the poor white
kid... because he's white? Brilliant. Glad you're
\_ Then you're reading me wrong.
not making public policy. It's already fucked up
enough. At least today that poor white kid can get
*some* help for being poor, although not as much as
the middle class black kid. In your world, the black
kid would get 100% and the white kid nothing solely
because of the color of their skin. Sickening.
\_ I should make one correction. Gates is NOT
a leftist. Gates is a big Ayn Rand fan.
\_ He probably meant Gates Sr.
\- "help help. i am an item." i really really hope the aclu
gets involved in this one. --psb |
| 2003/12/24-26 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:11585 Activity:nil |
12/24 I'm paying about $25 for my unix shell account and web hosting at
verio. It includes 200 megs of disk space. I'm looking for another
provider that offers more disk space (500 megs) at around the same
price. I've looked at earthlink and the price is about the same
as verio. Any recommendations? Unix has to be freebsd. Thanks.
\_ Call Verio and tell them to up your quota but you don't want to
pay more and see what they say.
\_ hey good idea (seriously). -!op
\_ I'm a big Verio customer. We beat them up on price all
the time. It might not work for a little guy but it
doesn't hurt to ask. |
| 2003/12/24 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:29735 Activity:high |
12/23 So I'm a bit perplexed about the Nurenberg (sp?) trials and the
trials in Japan. Many of the Japanese class A-C defendands were
excuted for War Against Humanity, and that is cool. But what about
dropping the atomic bomb? Shouldn't the Japanese have their own
trials against say, MacArthur and others who dropped the a-bomb
and killed many Japanese civilians? What about bombing of Dresden,
Germany which has absolutely of no military value and was primairily
meant to demoralize the German civilians? Isn't that also considered
Crime Against Humanity?
\_ Nuremberg, if you are going to comment on history at least read
up on it. As for trials against MacArthur (who actually didn't
authorize the use of the atomic bomb, it was
actually Truman, so you got that wrong also) that's totally
preposterous. How about you Japs formally apologizing for what
you did at the Rape of Nanking, Pearl Harbor and other
atrocities inflicted upon the world. We didn't start the war
with the Japs, you started it with us, so I think making
Hiroshima and Nagasaki glow in the dark for a couple months
is worth saving countless American lives as well as getting
rid of the Jap scourge across Asia. In total, some 8-9 million
people died directly due to Jap aggression, that's way more than the
numbers in the holocaust. As for Germans, I'm sure
the Russian and Jewish community will have the appropriate numbers
on how many people were lost, since Russia lost the most lives
due to Hitler. So, no, I don't think your neo-nazi sympathies
are justified. Oh yeah, you're welcome for the U.S. rebuilding
Japan into a viable nation after the war (instead of turning it
into a wasteland).
\_ A. No we won. B. No, the atomic bomb does not even begin to
compare with the sort of purposeful burtal cruelty the Japanese
perpetrated on the Chinese, Koreans, etc. C. No. the atomic
bomb was much kinder than an invasion would have been. D.
Quiet troll. Read some history.
\_ so you're saying that the WMD is more humane than hand to hand
combat that the Japs were engaged in. Ok.
\_ how about bombing of Dresden, the culture of Europe, the
place where it's revered for art and music? The place
that has very little military value?
\_ But I heard it was the hub for moving German troops.
\_ Dresden was the third largest transhipment point for
German war material. As we all know fighting
a war is all about logistics.
STORICAL ANALYSIS OF THE 14-15 FEBRUARY 1945
BOMBINGS OF DRESDEN
http://www.airforcehistory.hq.af.mil/PopTopics/dresden.htm
\_ Dresden may have had some minor military value in terms of
transport but it had no military presence and was packed
with refugees from the eastern areas. It was openly meant to
"destroy the will for war" and all that, which of course is
ridiculous in a dictatorship and anyway none of the people in
that city were having any nice thoughts about war by that point.
I don't know the figures but in 1945 troop transport was the
least of Germany's problems.
\_ It is not as ridiculous as you might think. Germany may have
been a dictatorship, but Hitler and his band of merry men
were keenly aware of the public mood, and took great pains
to manipulate it for their ends (the propaganda office and
the obvious talent of Joseph Goebbels are a witness to this).
A dictatorship needs to worry about civilian morale more,
not less, than a democracy in time of war. This isn't civ,
it's real life. -- ilyas
\_ I can only imagine this post (about the Japanese
atocracties being hand-to-hand combat) must be either posted
by either A. a troll or B. The stupidest and most ignorant
japan otaku on the motd. I guess you never heard about the
rape on Nanking? Or the POW torture camps? Or the "comfort
women?" Or anything else?
\_ Or the Unit 731 germ warfare unit. |