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| 2003/12/17 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:11488 Activity:nil |
12/16 from the nytimes:
"In a swirl of reports that some police officers joined the
protest, Captain Challoub made it clear where his sympathies
lay. "Why did they show Mr. President Saddam Hussein on
television and humiliate him?" he asked. "He is our president.
There must be some kind of immunity.""
Even people risking their lives working for us didn't like
their former president humiliated.
\_ Clearly Captain Challoub is living in the past and needs a new
job. He wasn't their president. He was a brutal dictator, not
an elected president. The only thing more stupid than this quote
or your posting it is that I bothered to feed a troll. Do us all
a favor and delete your own post.
\_ It's not necessary to tell us how stupid you are. It is
quite obvious that, elected or not, many Sunnis still liked
Saddam, so why fan the flames? "Bring it on!"
\_ Of course the Sunnis liked being a minority group that got
to oppress the rest of the country. I'm sure the South
African whites felt the same way. Did you have a point?
\_ Oops, the Sunnis like Saddam. We can't use the
"Liberate Iraqis from Saddam" as the reason for our
invasion anymore. Let's change the reason to "liberate
the Shiites from the Sunnis" then. Oh, wait, the
Shiites may not like us there very much either. Maybe
we should change the reason to "help the oppressed Kurds
gain independence". Or maybe we should dig up some
WMD, or maybe find Osama's mother in Iraq.
\_ Wow, nice way to go off topic and duck my question. I'll
take that as a win. To answer your dodge, we invaded
because Saddam was a bastard and Bush Sr. screwed the
people over the first time and setting right his mistake
was the moral thing to do. You understand what it means
to "do the right thing"?
\_ By itself Bush Sr. not going into Iraq is a valid
option. Instigating a Shiite rebellion and then
not going in to help is wrong. There are many
ways to effect change in Iraq. 10 years of
dibilitating sanctions followed by an invasion
and then a clumsily handled occupation is not the
"right thing" to do. ---- (*)
\_ and many Germans loved Hitler. Your point?
\_ Last I checked, Iraq wasn't occupying any foreign
country in the last 10 years. Your analogy is
bogus. In one case we are liberating the Iraqis
(only reason we have left), in the other we were
liberating others FROM the Germans. Because of
that, the opinion of the Iraqis is critical to
the whole endeavor.
\_ By your 'logic' we should have stopped at the German
borders and left Hitler in power.
\_ I don't know where you learned your faulty logic.
When your reason for the invasion is to liberate
the Iraqis, you better be concerned about what
their opinion is. If you say you are doing some-
thing to help someone, you should ask them
whether they wanted it, and whether your action
is actually helping them, or just for you own
selfish interest.
\_ Saddam invaded Kuwait. Part of liberating Kuwait
should have been removing him. Now it has been
done. The analogy to freeing Europe but stopping
at the German border is a good one.
\_ Your analogy is bogus (see (*) above). Give
it up.
\_ I think it was the right thing to do and
the only reason it took 10 years is because
Clinton preferred to take no action.
\_ And I don't think it was the right thing
to do. Thanks for playing.
\_ Way to reduce your point to a matter
of opinion.
\_ The point has been made already.
You only offered an opinion, but
expect something more in return?
\_ The minority ethnic group in Iraq was in favor of
continued slaughter and oppression of the majority
of the population. I'm sure you're aware of that,
little troll. I'll bet you were in favor of
a political change in SA where the situation was
exactly the same. The only difference is that in
SA the minority oppressors were white people and
we know white people are automatically wrong and
evil at all times, right?
\_ Ah, playing the race card again.
First, except for the Kurds, Iraqis are
ethnically the same. The Sunnis / Shiite
distinction is religious, not ethnic. The
Kurds are ethnically different but they
are Sunnis too. Thus your "minority
ethnic group [slaughtering and oppressing]
others" is bogus. There are many Shiites
and also Christians in positions of power
under the Saddam regime. While religious
and tribal affliations do play a role,
it is not in the black and white terms you
portray, and your attempt to castigate
all Sunnis as oppressors is wrong headed
and naive. If you disregard their opinion
and interest, democracy in Iraq is bound to
fail.
\_ You need to realize GW Bush cares more about PR at home than PR
in Iraq. So what if Iraqis don't like us. That just means we
need to kill a few more insurgents. Piece of cake. But hey,
got to win that election first. |
| 2003/12/17 [Uncategorized] UID:11489 Activity:nil 54%like:10668 |
12/16 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2448756945 Comments are priceless. \_ people buy things for scrap metal/spare parts, for other strange reasons. |
| 2003/12/17 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:11490 Activity:nil |
12/16 Firebird is great 95% of the time, but it sucks for 5% of websites
(this is not good). Here's one example: just now I was trying to buy
something on http://gateway.com... I fill out the form and hit submit and it
says "Please select the user segment to which you belong"... when I
fill out the form in IE, it works fine. I've had this happen on other
sites as well... I see why IE users laugh at me... IE+googletoolbar
is pretty good.
\_ And then there are sites where IE consistently crashes, while
firebird works fine. That's why I use both.
\_ IE almost never crashes.
\_ My IE consistently crashes when visiting some sites,
both 5.5 and 6.0.
\_ complain to the webmasters. tell them to use valid HTML.
\_ i hate paying to do someone else's qa, but ya, i did that
(this time) while filling out their customer survey card... i
gave them a shitty score for "overall satisfaction" and told them
how it is annoying to not be able to use my browser of choice.
of course, they probably dont care.
\_ most issue lies upon the javascript. When I am in this
situation, I am forced to use IE. And... if you are in Asia,
the chance is a lot higher than 5%. |
| 2003/12/17 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:11491 Activity:nil |
12/16 Follow-up on the Orson Scott Card thing. If you want to know why
he's a loony, read this old interview with him:
http://dir.salon.com/books/feature/2000/02/03/card/index.html?pn=1
\_ Ok I have got to be one of the most liberal posters on MOTD and
Card does NOT sound like an asshole to me. He calmly states the
standard Mormon reason for "protecting marriage" only when pressed,
and never states any kind of "affection for communism," so I can
only imagine what you think you are talking about. If anything
the lesbian author of the article editorializes far beyond the
limits of responsible journalism and comes off as shrill and
intolerant. I don't know what her problem is, and she wouldn't
last two seconds outside of her safe little lefty bubble. As for
Card... writing off all Mormons as "loonies" is basically what you'd
be doing, which is of course your choice.
\_ But actually, his repugnant views on just about everything are
right in line with typical motd thinking, besides the weird
affection for communism that he displays...so never mind. Don't
bother. --op
\_ what "repugnant views" would you be talking about?
\_ " I believe government has a strong role to protect us
from capitalism." C'mon, don't you find that repugnant!?
\_ No. I'm a full on right wing conservative and I do *not*
believe in full on fuck-you-all capitalism. That sort of
thing leads directly to slavery. No thanks.
\_ Child labor laws, the EPA, and the weekend are all things
the government has instituted to protect us from
capitalism.
\_ jeez, he's just a sci fi writer. the amazing thing is that
it would appear that the motd wants to hold its novelists
to higher standards than its political pundits.
Card never really claims to be an authority on modern politics,
just a science fiction writer.
\_Was this somekind of wierd troll? The woman interviewing him
is obviously an idiot. Card sounds very reasonable, and has
some interesting points.
\_ Oh, like that gay rights are "ridiculous," communism is
something that hasn't even been properly tried yet, and the
Vietnam war was a heroic and selfless sacrifice? Its amazing
how predictable the soda motd can be. We should just change
the name of the file to /etc/motd.public.fundies
\_ the gay rights thing is a little much, but he doesn't say
gay rights are ridiculous... he is parroting the same
Mormon notion that "marriage" means a particular thing.
He also doesn't say the Vietnam war was a selfless
sacrifice... he says FIGHTING in it was. And no, communism
was NOT tried in the USSR. Communism can work on a small
scale- go get pizza at Cheeseboard. |
| 2003/12/17-18 [Uncategorized] UID:11492 Activity:nil 58%like:11547 |
12/16 someone in motd was looking for a kernel developer/storage management
job. if you're not hired, can you drop me email at craig@veritas.com
or charmer@csua.berkeley.edu? --charmer
\_ rest of thread deleted for leemness. give jwm a job.
\_ why are some people so narcissitic? --suave
\_ It's a form of stupidity. --hypercritical
\_ hey, his last name is "Harmer", and his first initial is C.
what's wrong with that --great_speller
\_ you're telling me his dad didn't plan out the great login
coincidence when he named his son? --tinfoilhatguy
\_ does this mean that "dim@csua" has low self esteem? --bait
\_ This entire thread is so lame, that words fail me. --troll
\_ Helping someone find a job is lame??? |
| 2003/12/17 [Transportation/Motorcycle] UID:11493 Activity:nil |
12/16 I see people with really annoying blue lights and white turn signals.
I've also seen motorcycles with annoying flashing brake lights.
They really annoy me. Aren't they illegal, and why don't I ever see
cops pull them over?
\_ laws regarding flashing headlights and taillights on motorcycles
vary from city to city
\_ yes, blue lights are illegal. yes, white turn signals are
illegal.
\_ Are the blue lights the OP sees really blue in color? If it's
really blue in color, maybe it's illegal. But if it's one of
those high intensity white lights that looks blue because it
looks less yellow than the tungsten or halogen lights, I don't
think it's illegal.
\_ Why would they be illegal? They're all about being noticed. For
the motorcycle it's about safety. Who knows why the rice bombs
do it?
\_ because yellow turn signals is universally known and understood.
because blue can really fuck with nighttime vision.
\_ Many common vehicles have red turn signals at the rear. I
hate those (because if the driver also taps on the brake at
the same time it's very confusing), but they're common.
\_ The bulb can be silver and the lens can be clear, but the
light emitted must be yellow. (There are silver bulbs
that emit yellow light when used.) |
| 2003/12/17 [Reference/Military] UID:11494 Activity:nil |
12/16 A Gun that shoots around corners:
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994487
\_ They did the same thing on the very old Get Smart show.
\_ A mounted mirror is almost as good and is simpler and less likely to
fail. The only thing is that the shooter has to compensate for
lateral inversion.
\_ It's just a gun with all the parts pushed forward. What's going
to fail more than any other gun?
\_ The camera, the LCD, the battery. |
| 2003/12/17 [Recreation/Food] UID:11495 Activity:high |
12/17 The narcissistic pretty boy would like to offer some tips for having
beautiful, radiant skin. This will be posted over the next few
months. First, you can't have outer beauty without having inner
beauty. You are what you eat. Stop eating fast food junk food; and
stop drinking sugar water. Cut back on meat and all animal products
and eat more fruits and vegetables. And drink plenty of water every
day. -narcissistic pretty boy
\_ You'll go far in sf.
\_ All your dumbass are belong to the motd. |
| 2003/12/17 [Computer/HW/Memory, Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:11496 Activity:moderate |
12/17 Does anyone know why XP seems to run certain programs that consume
lots of RAM at full speed right after a reboot, but significantly
slower after a lot of uptime? And don't just tell me "obUseLinux,"
I would if I could, but Cubase doesn't run under Linux. I'll also
add that there doesn't seem to be any difference in page file usage
between "slow runs" and "fast runs."
\_ Sounds like your app is just allocating more over time (mem leak?)
or else having to swap stuff back in.
\_ No visible memory leak that I can discern, but then the tools
that M$ gives you to evaluate performance are pretty
rudimentary and I wouldn't be at all surprised if stuff is
slipping through the cracks.
\_ memory fragmentation might be an issue too
\_ If it doesn't run on Linux, it isn't worth running. Get a new app!
\_ *laugh* So can you suggest a MIDI/audio sequencer that does
low latency audio and runs all the latest and greatest virtual
instrument plugins in Linux? Oh wait, you mean there's no such
product? Oh darn. Oh well. Guess I'll just have to give up on
making music then, because LINUX IS THE STANDARD!
\_ obGetAMacRunningOSX.
\_ Nah. Why drop 3 grand on a Mac when I could spending
that money on new plugins and gear, and even a cheap
new PC to run stuff on?
\_ You don't need a $3k Mac to do MIDI stuff. Even
a $1k 1GHz G4 can handle that sort of thing.
\_ Run netstat -an to check if your PC's been hijacked. |
| 2003/12/17 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:11497 Activity:nil |
12/17 I'm setting up a co-located server and just found out RedHat 9.0
will be "end of life"d in April... will this be a problem/
inconvenience? make more sense to go w/ debian instead? thanks
\_ Not really. Do you plan to upgrade to the kernel of the week or
just run a stable system?
\_ I think they'll stop releasing security updates after April, so
that may be a problem.
\_ consider Fedora http://fedora.redhat.com
\_ run debian. keep up to date.
\_ run gentoo, and keep more up to date. debian stable is, imho,
ridiculously out of date.
\_ In order to keep a gentoo based system up to date, it'll
have to spend most of its lifetime compiling and recompiling.
And I've seen very little performance boost. You can always
run debian unstable or testing, or add apt sources to backports
for stable for newer packages.
- former gentoo user, now a debian fan-boy
\_ i use both debian and gentoo. debian's package system seems
rather more convoluted, and running unstable is umm, unstable,
while running testing is not so great for stability either.
anyway, if you have a decently fast machine, recompiling is
no problem, unless you're the kinda guy who must have every
single package offered, and keep every single one up to date.
\_ aren't stability and newness opposites?
\_ no. |
| 2003/12/17 [Uncategorized] UID:11498 Activity:nil |
12/17 Isn't it great how first in the wall_log these days never comes from
students who are still enrolled?
\_ Cron.
\_ as do many of the walls. your point? -nivra |
| 2003/12/17-19 [Recreation/Media] UID:11499 Activity:nil |
12/17 12:01 AM: Return of the King: +++++++
\_ 'this movie will make you shit stuff you did not eat
when you see it'
\_ I dunno. The battle scenes were definitely cool, but I thought
the actors weren't up to their usual par from the first two movie;
especially the first half. Most of the characters almost seemed
like entirely different characters, especially Gollum.
\_ they switched from a PC
to a mac.
\_ good allah, i hope so. the idea is for the characters to grow
and progress, unlike sodans.
\_ I tried to rationalize it that way, but during the first half
of the movie, their acting just sucked. They were better in
the second half.
\_ I thoroughly enjoyed it. The ending was a tad long, but then again,
the book's ending was really long, so I think they did a good job
with it. |
| 2003/12/17 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:11500 Activity:nil |
12/17 The little panda is named "Born in USA". More videos of the cute
little guy at this web site.
http://www.sandiegozoo.org/videos/indexpanda.html |
| 2003/12/17 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:11501 Activity:nil |
12/17 Wow, Saddam really was involved in 9/11
http://csua.org/u/5ax
\_ We shall see. The Iraqi Nationalists have fed us a lot of
phoney intel before, this looks like more of the same to me.
\_ Can you say "Ahmed Chalabi"?
\_ No, actually. I can't. |
| 2003/12/17 [Finance/Banking, Reference/Tax] UID:11502 Activity:nil |
12/17 http://www.fuh2.com |
| 2003/12/17-18 [Computer/SW/Apps/Media] UID:11503 Activity:nil |
12/17 I'm a die-hard Winamp 2.x user from way back. Has anyone used Winamp 5
and if so, how does its speed and UI compare vs Winamp 2.x ?
\_ you can make the UI pretty much the same as 2.x by using the classic
skin. i dunno, it might be slower a bit, but not by much, and more
features usually do that to a piece of software anyway. otoh, i like
that it has builtin ogg support finally, so i'm sticking with it.
\_ A couple of people have mentioned it's a resource hog, especially
for CPU cycles. I figure stick with what works (2.91).
\_ I was sticking w/ W2 without realizing that a lot of people were
doing the same thing. I really like W5 so far-- it's got j<search
string> functionality, which I was *really* missing. I like the new
UI, seems fast to me.
\_ Addendum: there's still no intelligent guessing of metadata in
here. How hard can it be to let me specify a few common filename
formats to guess with? "artist - track"; "artist" - "album" -
"track" "artist/album/track" would take care of at least 75% of
the misnamed files.
\_ Thank you, motdformatd |
| 2003/12/17 [Uncategorized] UID:11504 Activity:nil |
12/17 Is the line "Long time no see." really common English? I've use it so
many times writing to my Asian friends and now I've confused myself.
Thx. --- Asian
\_ Yes, it's common English. My Chinese teacher always guessed that
it was a direct translation of "chang shi bu jian" that made
its way into the mainstream of American English back in the 19th
century. She had no proof of that though, it was just a guess.
\_ Use that phrase when you actually see people, not when you write
to them.
\_ It's a colloquialism, like "What's up?"
\_ To be used with friends. Don't use it with others such as your
manager at work, for example. Not a good career move. :-)
\_ common phrase. must have come from the asian community and
adopted by others. Am I biting on a troll?
\_ I wondered about that too. My guess would be that it is a
direct translation of "hao jiu bu jian" (using commie
romanization here). However I see many white guys using the
phrase too. |
| 2003/12/17 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:11505 Activity:nil |
12/17 DIANE SAWYER: But stated as a hard fact, that there were weapons
of mass destruction as opposed to the possibility that he could move
to acquire those weapons still
PRESIDENT BUSH: So what's the difference?
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/US/bush_sawyer_excerpts_2_031216.html
\_ Even better:
DIANE SAWYER: What would it take to convince you he didn't
have weapons of mass destruction?
PRESIDENT BUSH: Saddam Hussein was a threat and the fact that
he is gone means America is a safer country.
\_ Bush doesn't dance, misdirect, or kickback to you so you'll
shut up like Clinton.
Bush just says Fuck you, like any good Republican, and I believe
most good Republicans appreciate that.
\_ Yup. Most good Republicans are dumb frat boys, just like GWB.
\_ I'm sure it makes you feel superior to think that. With that
loser you idiots are pushing for '04 it'll be 4 more Bush
years probably followed by 8 more from Jeb Bush. As soon as
you jerkoffs in the (D) party get it together and stop
underestimating the opposition you'll start winning again.
Until then, I'm voting Green. At least when my party loses,
I know I've voted my heart instead of voting for the lesser
evil who can't win anyway. Restore the two party system,
vote Green in '04!
\_ I know you're not a Green. You're a Republican troll.
And by the way:
http://www.ericblumrich.com/idiot.html
\_ Nah, Clark is the one that doesn't dance. Where is the clip
where he shut the interviewer up? Republicans dance.
Bush doesn't dance not because he doesn't want to but
because it is beyond his ability.
\_ In spite of Republican fantasies, you are still not a majority
party. Keep saying "fuck you" to the independents and
moderates out there. I really apreciate it.
\_ They don't vote. People who don't vote don't count. One
of the most admirable qualities of Repubs (or which I am
not one) is that they actually vote. They say "fuck you"
with their votes, which is where it matters.
\_ Nail. Head. The most infuriating thing about our system
is how many people choose not to participate in it, always
with the excuse that it means nothing to "their lives."
I'm wondering if this will change in a generation with
the gradual rise to power of new immigrant groups. |
| 2003/12/17 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:29723 Activity:nil |
12/16 I supported the Afghan War (cause Taliban is hopeless and Osama
is there) but opposed the Iraq War. I am glad there is some
progress on the Afghan front:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/16/international/asia/16CND-AFGH.html
\_ The what? Ohhh, that thing.
\_ Not all of us only think about whatever CNN feeds us that hour.
\_ this is one of my MANY reasons why I oppose war in Iraq. Taliban
is bad, but anarchy would only allow extremist and drug trafficing
florish. Despite all the progress, there are a lot of things
needs to be done before Afghan again became a hotbed of trouble. |
| 2003/12/17 [Reference/Celebration, Recreation/Food, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:29724 Activity:nil |
12/16 Since mass grave and killing of kurds are considered one of the reason
why we invade Iraq, we might as well to invade Turkey for what they've
done, which put Saddam's oppression looks like a child play:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3325247.stm
\_ So you would advocate turning the entire middle east into one
glass-paved nuclear wasteland, punctuated only by oil wells to
feed the weestern industrial machine?
\_ Not western, just American.
\_ Sounds good to me. |
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