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| 2003/12/16 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:11467 Activity:kinda low |
12/16 Anyone here speak procmail? Can you please tell me what the
following means:
procmail -f someone@somewhere.com -t -Y -a -d mylocaluser
this is from a 'ps'. mylocaluser is a user on my box.
[formatd]
\_ it's all in the man pages. that's all anyone else here would do. |
| 2003/12/16 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:11468 Activity:nil |
12/15 On a home windows XP machine, how important is the user password?
What are the ways that someone could log onto that windows box?
I only know about MS's telnet server that I guess would allow it.
What other crap could be enabled by default?
\_ not too important. disable remote desktop and shares. |
| 2003/12/16 [Computer/Companies/Ebay] UID:11469 Activity:kinda low |
12/15 What's your experience with CheckFree? Better than paypal?
\_ they seem like apples and oranges.
\_ that's basically what i was about to say.
\_ Ok my question was silly. I won a bid on ebay and both paypal
and checkfree are payment options. Which one should I choose
and why? I lack experience with both. |
| 2003/12/16 [Finance/Investment] UID:11470 Activity:nil |
12/15 http://money.cnn.com/2003/12/15/technology/jobs/index.htm?cnn=yes \_ so what? why post this link? |
| 2003/12/16 [Uncategorized] UID:11471 Activity:nil |
12/15 http://users.skynet.be/treet.ta-tra/cut_filled_with_playmobiel.html Not work safe (porn alert), just... odd. \_ what is going on there?? |
| 2003/12/16 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:11472 Activity:nil |
12/15 Months ago, some guy suggest to set up a FreeBSD / Linux box at front
of Exchange Server to serve as a sort of MTA which greatly enhance
the security of the email infrastructure. I would like to know more
on how to do that. Any pointers? Thanks.
\_ the idea is by having inbound connections from the internet connect
to the bsd/linux box you protect your exchange server from any
security vulnerabilities associated w/ IIS (specifically the MTA
piece of IIS). setting it up can be as simple as setting up the
box w/ most defaults and being sure to set your MX for your domain
on the inside to your exchange server... now you should at least
disable relaying from the internet as well.
\_ It's just a mail proxy that runs SA or whatever and then reforwards
the surviving mail to exchange. |
| 2003/12/16 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:11473 Activity:moderate |
12/15 Saddam almost blown to bits!: (cnn.com)
They heard noises from below. They were about to execute a "clearing
procedure" -- firing into the hole or dropping a grenade into it --
when someone saw upraised hands belonging to a bearded, bedraggled
man. The man had a pistol but did not fire it. When the soldiers
assisted the man from the hole, he said, in English: "I am Saddam
Hussein. I am the president of Iraq. I want to negotiate."
- jctwu
\_ so he's back working for the CIA then?
\_ weak! his sons fought like heros, and he himself is willing to
be captured alive and face trial which is nothing but unjust
humiliation.
\_ Humiliation? That's a bizarre arab concept that didn't appear
in our press until the palestinians whined constantly about
humiliation since they had no other real beef with the jews in
comparison to how other arabs treated and still treat them.
\_ Unjust humiliation? You know, I have a real hard time feeling
much sympathy.
\_ of course. You would have real hard time to see why this
is a war of pure aggression, as we are still trying to
find excuse to justify our invasion.
\_ He will face justice on Earth and in heaven,
says acid bath victim
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1041100/posts
\_ So shall we (ok, only in heaven), who provided him
the chemical agents, and kept quiet when he was
acid bathing the kurds.
\_ If Reagan/Bush had wanted to interfere
your parents and their associates would have
been screaming bloody murder about all of the
people killed and state sovereignty, just as
you do today; sorry you're argument is inane.
It was politically inexpedient at the time.
The difference is Bush was willing to
expend the political capital.
And please stop propagating lies: there
was a university transfer
of two biological agents for research.
Again, apart from the strains, in terms of
equipment for chemical weapons
it was supplied by Europe, (France, Germany)
Russia and China. How do you reconcile
this with their position today?
\_ Ah, "politically inexpedient". What an
excuse. Saddam could also say that if
he didn't keep the Kurds and Shiites under
control those two groups would butcher the
Sunnis the moment they have the chance, or
at the very least, fragment his country.
He could argue that he invaded Iran to
stop the Shiite brand of Islamic militancy
and its threat to Iraq. He could argue that
he invaded Kuwait because Kuwait is stealing
his country's oil, its lifeblood. The person
above is talking about justice and heaven, and
last I check (be it the Koran or the Bible),
God says to do the right thing, not to do
the politically expedient thing.
\_ Saddam could argue anything he likes but it
wouldn't be true. All you've done is create
a short list of Saddam's crimes.
\_ Crimes? Nah, they ain't crimes. They
are all politically necessary, or should
I say, expedient ... snicker.
\_ If you're not interested in discussing
anything don't bother scribbling on the
motd. Oh ho, you're so clever, snicker,
yadda whatever.
\_ Thanks for admitting that your
"politically inexpedient" excuse has
been debunked.
\_ The deadliest weapon in the world is a
Marine and his rifle. It is your killer
instinct which must be harnessed if you expect
to survive in combat. Your rifle is only a tool.
It is the hard heart that kills. If your killer
instincts are not clean and strong, you will
hesitate at the moment of truth. You will not
kill. You will become dead Marines. And then
you will be in a world of shit, because Marines
are not allowed to die without permission!
Do you maggots understand?
\_ SIR! YESIR!
\_ So shall we, who provided him the chemical agents. |
| 2003/12/16 [Politics/Domestic] UID:11474 Activity:nil |
12/15 Republican Congress hard at work:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.3687
\_ Interesting: Messrs. Ose and Smith neglected to include the more
traditionally profane "goddamn" and "damn," as well as that rap
favorite, "bitch." And why include the word "piss"?
\_ that's funny, I was actually just listening to "startin'
up a posse" by Anthrax when I read this. Look up the lyrics
if you care.
\_ Why do you hate America?
\_ YOU are the one who hates america- we patriots are sick of your
corporate masters raping our beloved country. Go back to Nazi
Germany where you can oppress everyone who isn't exactly like
you! We will fight you no matter whose apron you hide behind!
\_ Mmm... easy catch.
\_ hardly worth it. anything that easy should be thrown
back and allowed to season a good long while.
\_ if you love America, then, America should modeled after
Saudi Arabia, where Moral Police driving in green police
cars roaming freely to enforce proper moral values in the
society.
\_ wow, that's totally non sequiter.
\_ You know they're just doing this because they hate Bono. |
| 2003/12/16 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:11475 Activity:nil |
12/15 How about a break from Saddam? This is something you geeks would
find entertaining:
http://csua.org/u/5a0
\_ This is similar to what was found when someone did neural-net
robots for netrek as a project--they just learned to butt-torp. -tom
\_ What a cruddy article. Long introduction, then four sentences
that said what they wanted to say.
\_ This is becoming a modern urban legend. Watch the Two Towers
documentaries for the truth: the soldiers were programmed to run if
they couldn't see an enemy (to close the distance more quickly).
With many soldiers, they couldn't see the enemy or were facing the
wrong way. Hence they ran away.
\_ No facts! No facts on the motd! |
| 2003/12/16 [Uncategorized] UID:11476 Activity:nil |
12/15 http://www.pantsfactory.org/?action=comments&linkid=872 Do you suck at folding shirts? This video shows an alternate method - may be useful for many geeks who suffer from crinkled shirts... |
| 2003/12/16-17 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Foreign] UID:11477 Activity:kinda low |
12/16 Silly question maybe, but what's the difference between "people"
and "persons"? A quick google didn't seem to help. Thanks.
\_ "people" is a real word. "persons" is some twisted thing used by
paper pushing govnerment types starting in the mid 90s in an attempt
to make their crap sound more professional. real people don't use
the word persons in everyday conversation or writing. it's
dehumanising.
\_ actually, if you look in the OED, persons has been used for at
least 500 years. persons is the proper plural form of person,
but a secondary sense of people is persons, so that is acceptable
as well. if you want to be formal and precise, it is "persons"
though.
\_ e.g. "You persons can go fuck yourself" is very formal.
\_ I agree.
\_ persons is a good new word. people has too many meanings or
shades of meaning, and it can be ambiguous which one is being
used. My guess would be that it started not with government
types but legal types.
\_ Once again, you all need to read this essay:
George Orwell, "Politics and the English Language"
http://www.resort.com/~prime8/Orwell/patee.html
\- while i am a fan of this article, i think Orwell's
complaint would be more with say using "individuals"
instead of "people". let me call some of my people
about the person/people distinction. --psb
\- hmm, it looks like "recently" persons was weakly
for a specific number [the 12 persons on the jury]
but people was for a vague number [many people in
the court room], but it is acknowledged "persons"
is giving way to "people". however there are some
contexts where persons still seems right ...
"persons under 17 will not be admitted without
supervision". --psb
\_ thank you psb! I knew the "people good" "persons
bad" guy was wrong. - a once-in-a-while psb fan |
| 2003/12/16-17 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:11478 Activity:high |
12/16 Orson Scott Card demonstrating yet again why I can't stand his books:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004435
\_ What, because he doesn't agree with your politics?
\_ jesus this guy is free associating left and right and labeling his
drivel as fact. i thought ender's game was ok though.
but maybe he thinks enders game actually happened.
\_ His politics have never made sense. He calls himself a Democrat
for some bizarre reason, but his actual opinions are a synthesis
of Ayn Rand, the Old Testament, and the Wizard of Oz. I can't
stand his books for almost the same reason - even when he's
making a good point, he doesn't have the courage of his
convictions. For instance, check out his statements about
the meaning of Enders Game - he's the only one in the world who
seems to think its not anti-war. He's also made some really
bizarre statements vis-a-vis the "Peter" character and the
subject of child abuse.
\_ Maybe he doesn't like the way people define "anti-war."
It never suggests in the book that humans never should
have fought the buggers at all, just that they shouldn't
have eradicated them. It the humans hadn't defended
themselves in the first two wars, it's pretty clear
that the human race would have been destroyed instead,
for almost the same reason.
\_ No, it doesn't suggest that humans shouldn't have eradicated
them. It and the sequels show that under the circumstances,
the humans had to fight "us vs. them" because there was no
way to communicate and negotiate. Indeed, the lesson is to
use force last of all, but when you use force, use
overwhelming, overpowering force so that the enemy never
stands up again. That's the lesson Ender learns over and
over again.
\_ This is somewhat changing the subject but...
Someone told me the Wizard of Oz was a book/movie about
communism, but aside from the fact that the midgets live in a
Potemkin Village, I don't see it. Anyone have any insight?
\_ The Wizard of Oz is a godless Communist screed. And not
only that, but flouridation is an insidious Communist plot
to suck out and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
\_ Hoping for a serious response on motd... silly me.
\_ A serious response would be called for if it was a
serious idea.
\_ It's not about communism, it's about a political
movement in the late 1800's known as populism. Its
very pro-populism. Google on it.
\_ Specifically, the Wizard of Oz is a character re-mapping
of the political figures central to the Silver Standard
controversy. My understanding is that it only became a
popular children's story by accident - though this sort
of thing happens more often than you'd think.
http://paws.wcu.edu/mulligan/www/oz.html for one
summary.
\_ Oh jesus. You can do this with any book. This is like
the guy that had the pet theory that the Harry Potter
books were an allegory promoting Libertarian thought.
\_ Did you actually do any research before this
statement, or are you just talking out of your
butt again?
\_ I read your article. This sort of allegory is
bunk unless directly claimed by the author.
A little googling will show you that many
scholars have many wildly different allegorical
interpretations of Baum's book, which just shows
how ridiculous it all is. I'm sure you can
find a way to show that, say, Terminator 3 is
an allegory for the women's rights movement.
That doesn't mean you're any more correct than
the person that says its an allegory for WWI.
\_ The 'Harry Potter supports Libertarian throught'
idea seems dodgy, but the Harry Potter books do
contain many thinly veiled references to Britain's
pervasive class system that would be lost on most
folks living on this side of the Atlantic.
\_ Look we are war. We will be at war with terrorism for at least
a couple of generations. Anyone who questions President Bush
during a time of war is a traitor and terrorist sympathizer.
Any questions?
\_ I didn't know Ann Coulter wrote to the motd! Go Ann! *drool*
--Ann Coulter #1 fan
\_ "Oh my god! Your cock is so BIG and TAX FREE!"
\_ Hi ilya. You can't get over that one, can you? Sticks
with ya. --lye
\_ wasn't ilya
\_ Yeah, lye. How could you soil my good name like that?
My polite indignation knows no bounds! -- ilyas
\_ Consider it humbly withdrawn. Not that I have any
reason to believe anything that anyone says on the
motd. --lye
\_ Gee lye, do you have a hangup about people lying?
\_ No. I always lye. --lye
\_ He doesn't address Bush's WMD justification for attacking Iraq.
Lamer. |
| 2003/12/16-17 [Uncategorized] UID:11479 Activity:low |
12/16 Texas police hard at work!
http://tinyurl.com/zhej
\_ Relevant Texas Law, for those of you who are interested in such
things:
link:csua.org/u/5aj |
| 2003/12/16 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:11480 Activity:very high |
12/16 http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=574&u=/nm/20031216/wl_nm/iraq_saddam_vatican_dc_2&printer=1 \- gee i guess the bush administration will only be inviting in protestant deminiations to convert the godless heathens --psb I agree with the Vatican on this one. There was no need to humiliate the man. He's a former head of state and prisoner of war and should be treated with the respect due to such a man. I feel bad for the guy. \_ Me, too! I mean he lost his sons to those evil Americans! I mean what's a few thousand dead worth a few moments of standard doctor checkup after living underground for so long without a shave! \_ Let's be clear: I opposed the premature invasion of Iraq, but I am not at all displeased to see Saddam Hussein toppled and his regime destroyed. Given what he did to his own people, the Mussolini treatment would not have been too severe for him. Now, does showing embarassing videos of the man being inspected for lice and disease help the coalition maintain peace and bring about a swifter transition to a real Iraqi government? Not in the least. Yet another PR blunder for the Bush team. \_ PR Blunder? Obviously you haven't seen the polls. I'm glad aren't in charge. I bet you think the Bay of Pigs was a bad idea also? \_ Ah, dear simpleton, let me lay it out for you in lyrics your little brain might comprehend easier: "For every thing (turn, turn, turn) there is a season (turn, turn, turn)." The Prez' invasion was, like many sexual acts perpetrated by semifunctional adolescents, premature. \_ yeah we should have waited until he started offering $100K for every suicide bomber's family \- we should have invaded iraq on behalf of israel? \_ No, we should have waited until we had proof of his WMDs, -OR- we should have declared our mission to rid the world of oppressive regimes, sacked Saudi Arabia, Burma, and Uzbekistan, and then, with that moral justification firmly established, gone into Iraq. \_ One at a time.. \_ Yeah? Then why not this one? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3324871.stm \_ After all, polls are the only thing that matters. Who cares about morality, I'm in the majority! \_ I have to ask. Is it really all that humiliating to have medical examination? I fail to see why this footage is all that humiliating. It's probably all they had on hand for the press that wasn't either secret or REALLY humiliating. \_ They probably had footage of him showered and shaved, wearing a jumpsuit and glowering at the camera. |
| 2003/12/16-17 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:11481 Activity:very high 53%like:11187 |
12/16 Bush signs anti-spam bill:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/12/16/bush.bills.ap/index.html
\_ This is not an anti-spam bill, though it is being marketed that
way. It is more of a pro-spam bill.
\_ Makes perfect sense in BushSpeak, where a bill to enable
more clearcutting is called the "Healthy Forests Initiative"
and a bill to remove civil rights is called the "Patriot Act."
\_ Hey, it was all that dead wood from beetle infestation
that fueled the SoCal fires.
\_ The logging industry doesn't cut dead trees.
\_ Slightly off topic, but on a recent trip up Highway 1
I noticed whole swaths of oak trees that seem to be
dead. From what I've read, this is not directly due to
a beatle infestation but a virus which weakens the tree
and then makes them more susceptible to the beatles.
Its very eerie to see a whole bunch of trees hit this way.
Very post-apocalyptic.
\_ the massive tree death on the Kenai peninsula is
caused by beetles. Not that this has anything to
do with Bush's timber industry giveaways, just
pointing this out while we're on the beetle
tree death topic. it got a lot of press recently
because the infestation was brought on by rising
temperatures in Alaska--which will continue to rise
thanks to Bush's giveaways to the oil industries.
\_ Care to explain the Alaska/CA Beetle thing?
\_ True, but the Healthy Forest Initiative was about increasing
the logging of healthy trees.
\_ what's your justification for this (calling it pro-spam)?
http://csua.org/u/5ah
\_ Spam law analysis: http://csua.org/u/5ai
And use an URL shortener! |
| 2003/12/16-17 [Recreation/Celebrity/MichaelJackson] UID:11482 Activity:moderate |
12/16 Saddam should hire Johnny Cochran. He might pull another OJ.
\_ More likely he'll go for Geragos, who's already got Scott Peterson
and Michael Jackson |
| 2003/12/16-17 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:11483 Activity:nil |
12/16 Why the capture of Saddam, although making the world a better place,
is ultimately a "diversion". -sfgate article on what liberals think
http://csua.org/u/5ae |
| 2003/12/16-17 [Uncategorized] UID:11484 Activity:nil |
12/16 Hehehe, I never liked the looks of that bookstore anyway...
http://csua.org/u/5ad
\_ It must've been the right wing activists immitating 9-11! |
| 2003/12/16-17 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:11485 Activity:nil |
12/16 Sadam Hussein is an actor and the US government is planning to
plant WMD in Iraq: http://www.theonion.com
\_ Nothing on the onion says anything like that. What in Sam Hill
are you talkin' about, boy? |
| 2003/12/16-17 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:11486 Activity:high |
12/16 Why do some people still try to claim that the US did not sell
Iraq chemical weapons? The evidence is overwhelming:
http://www.counterpunch.org/boles1010.html
\_ The author's evidence is tautological. He says, "There were
\_ The only evidence the author provides is "There were
chemical weapons sold..." so it must be so, no citations
no references, nothing.
As for cyanide it is ubiquitous in industrial manufacturing.
For example, there are liters of cyanide compounds in Cory
Hall.
Here is what was provided:
The Corporations That Supplied Iraq's Weapons Program
http://www.thememoryhole.org/corp/iraq-suppliers.htm
\_ No references? How about the reference to this PBS program:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/longroad/etc/arming.html
http://www.thememoryhole.org/corp/iraq-suppliers.htm
\_ It is good you mention Alcatal, as that is the one compnay
listed on the other link. What is described is illicit
clandestine purchase of a chemical weapon precurssor,
which was shut down when discovered by Customs. This
completely different from the assertion that the US govt
(Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.) armed Iraq. As for visiting in
1967, well the US military hosts delegates from virtually
every other military in the world, including enemies (eg.
Soviets during the Cold War).
\_ What do you think are the chances that Saddam will be able to call
Rumsfeld and Cheney as defense witnesses? And if he's denied, how
much will that help him?
\_ You people are bizarre. Here you have one of the crulest most
sadistic tyrants in the 20th century and all you can think
about is indicting Rumseld, who was a civilian throughout
the period in question, and Cheney who was House Minority
Whip and Secretary of Defense, for concocted conspiracies
they were not involved in.
\_ Rumsfeld was Secretary of Defense when Saddam attacked Iran.
We sent him weapons to help kill the 'evil' Iranians. When
Cheney was CEO of Halliburton, he lobbied to be allowed to
do contracting in Iraq and said the sanctions hurt
Halliburton more than Iraq and should be lifted.
\_ Rumsfeld was Fords Sec of Defense. So did every
CEO of every international corporation. Cheney has
been on the record opposed to sanctions for most of
his career.
\_ Lobbying is now a criminal offense? Golly.... |
| 2003/12/16-17 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:11487 Activity:high |
12/16 Do Japanese companies ever make killing games (e.g. killing Germans,
police squad, sniper games, etc)? I've noticed that most of the
Konami games are like DDR with cartoony characters. Even Virtua
Cop looks cartoony. Do they have laws against violence or somethin'?
\_ No really, you aren't that stupid, right?
\_ no really, after killing about 100 Jap soldiers in Medal of
Honor Rising Sun, I started to wonder why Japanese companies
don't make games that kill American soldiers and glorify
Japanese Imperialism.
\_ Because we were the good guys and the modern Japanese want
to set themselves apart from their evil WWII selves.
\_ Now I'm curious. Do Germans play Medal of Honor Allied
Assault? Do they play Wolfenstein? Do Japanese play
Rising Sun? Do Vietnamnese play Vietcong?
\_ http://penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-11-26&res=l
\_ rave reviews? That IS kind of odd. Thx for the lnk |
| 2003/12/16 [Uncategorized] UID:29719 Activity:nil |
12/16 What's up with soda's outgoing net? I'm connected to soda, but I
can't use links, ping etc. |
| 2003/12/16 [Uncategorized] UID:29720 Activity:nil 80%like:29564 |
12/16 All you of Earth...are idiots!
\_ All your base are belong to us! |
| 2003/12/16-17 [Finance/Banking, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:29721 Activity:very high |
12/16 Pusan Market on telegraph no longer sells K-pop CDs. Any other place
around Berkeley that sells K-pop CDs?
\_ No, but do you know where I can get chacharoni noodles?
\_ Doesn't Pusan Market have them? Also, try the real thing at
the noodle house next to Koryo Sushi on Telegraph.
\_ I don't know. I'm just a lazy white boy looking for instant
chacharoni.
\_ What the hell are you TV magic queers talking about?
\_ What the hell is a "TV magic queer?"
\_ http://www.snpp.com/episodes/CABF14
\_ I missed that line in the episode. Thanks. Now I have
a new phrase of the day.
\_ Best. Motd. Post. Ever.
\_ Much obliged. But I still want to know what the hell they're
talking about.
\_ K-pop is Korean music. There's a Korean grocery store on
telegraph that used to sell them, but they don't sell 'em
anymore. |
| 2003/12/16-17 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:29722 Activity:very high |
12/16 http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82 Saddam and Rumsfeld shaking hands and talking arms. He was our bastard back then. What happened? \_ He turned on us. \_ Wait...so bad guys are okay as long as they're on our side? I thought WMDs didn't matter, and we were there to wipe out a bad guy? Can't... handle... hypocrisy... head... exploding... \_ Are you really this naive and stupid? Sometimes you have bargain with the devil. Iran was (and remains) clearly the more dangerous threat. \_ Nah, the most dangerous threat is GW Bush and his free-spending administration. Oh, and our lovely ally Saudi Arabia, from whence most of the 911 bombers and Osama himself hail from. \_ No, *YOU* are stupid. Iran is the *ONLY* muslim nation in the middle east which has a true democratic government, eventhough their power is not seperated in the same manner as ours is. If we didn't support the invasion of Iran by Iraq, we wouldn't have to deal with Saddam right now, after 166 billion dollars and still don't see real way out of this mass. \_ Iran? Democracy? You've got a really twisted idea of what deomcracy is or you know nothin about how their country is run. Sigh. I have been trolled. \_ We didn't think he'd use WMDs. Up until then, Saddam was our secular ally against the more worrisome Islamic revolution. \_ Which, incidentally, we precipitated by sending the CIA to install the Shah in the 1950s. But never mind about that now. \_ No, you are completely wrong. The Shahs father acended to power in the 1920s. Mossadeq was making overtures to the Soviets. \_ I don't know about the "you are completely wrong" poster, but overthrowing Iran's government was really for the oil (at the same time guarding against Communist expansion) that time. ;-) \_ No, Dubya wanted a ratings boost. Saddam's still our bastard. |
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