Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2003:December:12 Friday <Thursday, Saturday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2003/12/12 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:11422 Activity:nil 66%like:29715
12/12   Has anyone used ask (active spam killer) before?
        \_ I'd much rather have an active spammer killer.
           \_ Why do you hate capitalism?
2003/12/12-13 [Computer/SW/Editors, Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/Security] UID:11423 Activity:nil
12/11   Does anyone know of a free SFTP client for MacOS 9? --dim
2003/12/12 [Politics] UID:11424 Activity:nil
12/11   Yahoo! News - Virginia Arrests Man for Spam E-Mail Under New Law:
        It says the guy arrested is the 8th worst spammer in the world.  Woo
2003/12/12-13 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:11425 Activity:low
12/11   My latest addiction:
        \_ Dude, you suck. Look what time it is. I've been playing this for
           hours now.  Hate you. -phuqm
           \_ Seconded.  I have so very rarely wanted to lynch someone so
              generous.  You bastard.
              \_ Thirded.  I was up till 3.  And it made me forget to make
                 mashed potatoes.
                 \_ Totally fucking EVIL!!!  I was up until 5am playing this
                    crap, and I've had an urge all day to play it at work.
                    Then again, maybe that is because I hate my job. -phale
                    \_ I tried it this morning but pulled myself away. This
                       seems like it will have more staying power than isketch
        \_ Are there any good, up to date "simple" game listings?  "Castle"
           was a cool one, I also like the Dismount games (simulations of
           people falling down stairs and crashing trucks).
2003/12/12 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:11426 Activity:high
12/11   Responding to a reporter's statement today that German Chancellor
        Gerhard Schroeder had said that international law should be applied
        in the awarding of contracts, Bush responded:  "International law? I
        better call my lawyer.  He didn't bring that up to me.... I don't
        know what you're talking about, about international law."
        \_ Something tells me this is Bush trying to make a funny.
           \_ I think it's more like a sodan trying to make a funny
              (but I'd believe it if there were a URL)
              \_ Its a real quote, I saw it somewhere today...can't be
                 bothered to find it though.
                 \_ obgoogle,1,7987667.story
              \_ It's the front-page story on  I would've posted
                 the URL, but someone would have complained about having
                 to register as a user on the site.  The exact quote isn't
                 on yahoo news either.
                 \_ Is there a csua registration for latimes?
        \_ What I don't understand is that isn't the US paying for the
           contracts?  If so, why should any non-US-taxpayers have a say on
           who get to bid for the contracts?
           \_ This is about sharing the spoil of the war.  Yes, they
                oppose the war and gave US a hard time.  At the same time,
                we are asking them to write down debt owed to these nations.
                We are also asking them to contribute money and troops.
                In other word, it's stupid on Bush's part to be an ass
                at this moment when we have so many favor need to ask them.
                \_ When is he not an ass? He always has this weird swaggering
                   attitude about everything. He talks like he's a tough guy
                   even though he is really a billionaire mama's boy.
                \_ Sorry.  Germany, France and Russia OWE the U.S., not the
                   other way around.  What is with you liberal sissies
                   cowering before big bad Europe.  They are
                   venal aristocrats - fuck em.  THey need us, not the other
                   way around.  This is called Real politik, they would
                   (and have) stab the U.S. in the back in an instant.
        \_ Interestingly, the article disappeared off the front
           page and is not linked anywhere (but the article is still linked
           in as earlier in the motd, and on
           Anyway, here's the authoritative source:

           Q Sir, Chancellor Schroeder says international law must apply in
           this case. What's you're understanding of the law?

           THE PRESIDENT: International law? I better call my lawyer; he
           didn't bring that up to me. I asked President Chirac and
           Chancellor Schroeder and President Putin to see Jim Baker, to
           talk about debt restructuring. If these countries want to
           participate in helping the world become more secure by enabling
           Iraq to emerge as a free and peaceful country, one way to
           contribute is through debt restructuring. And so Jim Baker, with
           the consent of the Secretary of State, is going to go over and
           talk to these leaders about that. But I don't know what you're
           talking about, about international law. I've got to consult my

           [Even I agree that there was some creative ellipsing of the quote,
           which may have had something to do with the link getting taken down]
2003/12/12-13 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Compilers] UID:11427 Activity:nil
12/11   Is there something like __FILE__ or __LINE__ macro that will give me
        the class / method name in C++?
        \_ it can't be a macro, because the preprocessor doesn't know anything
           about classes or functions.
        \_ __FUNCTION__, __PRETTY_FUNCTION__ in gcc, __func__ in C99
           \_ gcc 2.95.4 on soda accepts __func__ too.
2003/12/12 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:11428 Activity:nil 73%like:11432
12/11   Sendmail Gurus is there a way to tell sendmail to treat:
        "config error: mail loops back to me" the same way it
        does 554 errors  (i.e. try again for periodically for 3
        days or whatever it does?)  How?   Thanks.
2003/12/12-13 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:11429 Activity:nil
2/12    Plug:  I had to recover an NTFS drive (yes I know, stfu already)
        with a fucked-up boot sector.  GetDataBack v2.22. worked like
        a charm, if anyone runs into a similar problem.  -John
        \_ Alternatively, if only the boot sector is munged and the rest of
           the disk is readable, you can use Bart's PE Builder and a Windows
           XP CD to create a bootable CD-ROM with NTFS read/write support.
           If you need only read-access, you can boot off of a DOS floppy and
           use NTFSDOS from sysinternals instead.
2003/12/12-13 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:11430 Activity:kinda low
2/12    Experiences with inexpensive disk arrays of ~1-2TB?  RAID would
        be good, cheap < $7k or so.  NFS speed is "nice".  Thanks!  -PeterM
        \_ Haven't used them yet, but the Promise UltraTrak's look promising.
        \_ I like used NetApps. Check some of these out:
           This does not include a license though. -ausman
                \_ Build a box with four-eight 250GB ATA drives!
        \_ i've heard nice things about the storcase line.. there is a
           4U rackmount that takes up to 12 ATA/SATA drives and seems
           This does not include a license though. -ausman
                \_ Build a box with four-eight 250GB ATA drives!
           to sell for ~$4k sans disk.
2003/12/12 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:11431 Activity:nil
12/11   you delete the politics, i delete the sendmail. fuck you.
        \_ Dude, *I* didn't delete the politics. (Hell, i'm to blame for a
           good chunck of the politics). -sendmail question asker.
           (oh, and grow up a little, K? )
           \_ I guessed that, and I'm sorry.  However politics threads
              are fun and interesting, and there has to be a way to punish
              those who want them eliminated.  I believe that your average
              censor is a nerd who wants to see the whole motd be a series
              of questions and answers about sendmail, and if we send the
              message that the motd either has freedom or gets killed,
              eventually they'll have to give up.  I think this has worked
              in the past.
                \_ you're an idiot.
2003/12/12-13 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:11432 Activity:nil 73%like:11428
12/12   My sendmail question was deleted by an evil reactionary.  Take pity
        on me and Answer it:  Is there a way to get sendmail to treat:
        "config error: mail loops back to me" the same way it does "host not
        available" type errors  (i.e. try again periodically for 3 days
        or whatever it does?)  How?   Thanks.
        \_ edit src/usersmtp.c, around line 217
2003/12/12-13 [Uncategorized] UID:11433 Activity:nil
12/12   If I need mashed potatoes really quickly, where would I go?
        \_ kfc?
           \_ Or Boston Market (51st and Broadway)
        \_ Buy a box of "instant" mashed potatoes, cook it.
2003/12/12-13 [Computer/Companies/Apple] UID:11434 Activity:nil
12/12   Apple Store opens in Ginza, Tokyo, check out the line:
        \_ some guy had a sars mask on (30' from end of line)
           \_ wearing a mask is common if you have a cold there
              \_ So if you sneeze and cough, stuff just kind of builds up
                 under there?
                 \_ yeah, so that it doesn't make other people sick
        \_ wtf is wrong with those people??
           \_ Apple's technology rules:
        \_ obtheremustbefreetentaclepornatthefront
        \_ Is it the first time Apple reaches Japan???
           \_ No, but it's the first Apple Store, and in a very trendy shopping
              \_ it's their rodeo drive. overpriced.
        \_ Walkin' down the Ginza
           I heard someone blowin' a cadenza.
           Well the music hit me
           As hard as a case of influenza.
2003/12/12-13 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:11435 Activity:nil
12/12   what in the hayell is <DEAD><DEAD>?  like free webmail with no
        \_ see and try signing up.
                \_ aaaaaah hchaaaaaaa!  cheerz.  but no.
                   \_ ??? offers many @domain options
                      including <DEAD><DEAD>.  What do you mean by
                      your statement above?
2003/12/12-16 [Industry/Jobs] UID:11436 Activity:nil
12/12   Any one know of any job openings for a unix kernel developer
        strengths in networking and storage?  Thanks. --jwm
        \_ every once in a while I see something on craigslist for
           this type of job.
        \_ checked procket, juniper, cisco ?
           \_ also check ironport.
        \_ EMC?
2003/12/12-13 [Recreation/Activities] UID:11437 Activity:nil
12/12   Are cross country ski boots the same as downhill ski boots?
        \_ No.
           \_ Which kind do you get when you go rent a pair at, say, Heavenly?
                \_ depends on what you want to do. if you want x-country skiing
                   you get x-country boots. if you want to go downhill skiing
                   you get downhill ski boots. most likely, you're thinking
                   of downhill ski boots...they're big, heavy, hard-shelled,
                   and have several straps.
                   \_ and then there's the telemarkers or whatever
2003/12/12-13 [Computer/HW/CPU, Computer/HW] UID:11438 Activity:nil
12/12   My computer just died. Power switch does nothing. Is it most likely
        the MB/CPU or power supply?
        \_ Disconnect the MB from the PS.  Try to turn it on.  If your drives
           do not spin up, it means the PS is faulty.  The MB could still have
           a problem, though.
           \_ how can you disconnect the PS from the MB and test it without
              buying a special ATX PS tester?  isn't an ATX PS dependent on
              the motherboard to turn it on?
              \_ Right.  Sorry, was thinking of the old AT days.
           \_ I think what the above person is saying is:
              Switch -> Motherboard -> Power supply
              If you remove motherboard from loop, you can't turn on power.
              Anyway, I would have a known good power supply and swap that in
              to distinguish between motherboard / power supply problem.
2003/12/12-13 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus] UID:11439 Activity:low
12/12   Is there a good book on using C++ for large software projects?
        I suspect making this required reading for engineers will reduce
        likelihood of C++ code-bloat / vaporware problems.
        \_ Weak troll, or weak manager brain?  I am not sure which I prefer.
2003/12/12-13 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:11444 Activity:kinda low
12/12   I have an external hard drive (in a case with a fan).  If I want to
        maximize the lifetime of the drive, should I leave it on 24/7 or turn
        it off at the end of the day (~50% duty cycle)?  It's in a low
        vibration enviornment.
        \_ All right, fine fine.  Here's something which came off google:
           \_ Thanks.  It's a bit roundabout, but the concensus seems to be
              that leaving it on is good except for the fan, which isn't
              that necessary in this situation.
              \_ umm, you're going to take computer advice from a mailing
                 list for coffee roasters?
        \_ Turn it off.
           Scenario:  Your hard drive fails after 3 years.  Are you going
           to kick yourself for having left it on 24/7, or for turning
           it off at the end of the day each day?
           \_ That's not helpful.  Do I kick myself for wearing out the motor
              faster, or for inducing thermal stresses turning it on and off?
2003/12/12-13 [Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:11445 Activity:nil
12/12   a nice cake:
        \_ fuck 'em.  too bad people are taking it out on the janitors
           instead of upper management, though. If they had half a brain
           they'd just shit in a bag and nail it to the managers door,
           or better yet mail their shit to the CEO.  But if they
           had half a brain they wouldn't be working at walmart in the
           first place.
        \_ I had to stop reading after that last sentence in the first
           paragraph, there's some nice grammar in there.
2003/12/12 [Recreation/Celebrity/MichaelJackson] UID:29708 Activity:nil
12/11   Surprise, surprise, surprise. "No bid" Halliburton might have
        been ripping off the taxpayer:
        \_ Look!  Over there!  Michael Jackson!
2003/12/12 [Reference/Celebration] UID:29709 Activity:nil
12/11   Does the Humorless Motd Censor ever take a day off?  I can't recall
        a day that he hasn't swept through once or twice - he even seemed to
        be active on Thanksgiving.  What is he doing for Christmas?  Can
        we start a collection to buy the HMC presents, since he obviously
        has no family or friends to spend any time with?
2003/12/12 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:29710 Activity:nil
12/11   Let's say you type "rlogin soda". Is there any way to escape from that
        if you don't have the right login? Short of killing the process.
        \_ ^D
2003/12/12 [Transportation/Car/RoadHogs] UID:29711 Activity:high
12/12   SUVs Kill:
        \_ But the occupants are less likely to die in an SUV than in a car
           when the vehicle is hit by another vehicle or is sandwiched.
        \_ SUV's kill OTHERs.  they're plenty safe for the SUV owner/driver.
           \_ Reuben Bolling did a comic recently called "SUV Arms Race"
           \_ Not entirely true: (
2003/12/12 [Uncategorized] UID:29712 Activity:high
        Can everybody go through this and post which one best fits you?
        I know we have quite a few of that are an exact match.  For example,
        we have a grammarian and psb is of course a profundus maximus.
        I'm an atheist and imposter most of the time.  Let's count ourselves!
        atheist: .
        imposter: .
        Eagle Scout:.
        slut: .
        Evil Clown: .
        Grammarian: ..
        Troll: ...
        its all bullshit and only applies to usenet:.
2003/12/12 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:29713 Activity:nil
12/12   M$ Latest Patch:
2003/12/12 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/Companies/Yahoo] UID:29714 Activity:nil
12/12   Yahoo to use msg authentication for email:
        \_ That's like, so yesterday, and stuff
2003/12/12-13 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:29715 Activity:kinda low 66%like:11422
12/12   Has anyone used ask (active spam killer) before?
        \_ I'd much rather have an active spammer killer.
           \_ Why do you hate capitalism?
              \_ Because I love communism.
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