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2003/12/10 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:11380 Activity:high 60%like:11346
12/9    Neocons pre-emptively kill six more future terrorists.
        Go Bush!
        http://csua.org/u/57q
        \_ but the Precogs say that they'll grow up to be terrorists.
2003/12/10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, ERROR, uid:11381, category id '18005#18.065' has no name! , ] UID:11381 Activity:nil
12/9    Is it just me or does http://deanforamerica.com have a bunch of broken
        images right now?
        \_ That's a code message for dropping support for Israel.
           \_ isn't his wife jewish?
              \_ Do the SodaJews all support Lieberman?
                 \_ Leaning toward Clark at the moment. I happen to still like
                    my separation of church and state. -a random "SodaJew"
                 \_ jews or not, Lieberman should be out.  His voting records
                    against any sort of financial / accounting reform alone
                    should be good enough reason to sack him.
                        \_ He is owned by Citibank, the bank of Enron
                           and director Robert Rubin of LTCM fame, who
                           emplored Oneil to bail them out.  Treasury
                           Secretary Rubin was also conveniently
                           involved in the Goldman Sachs Mexico
                           bailout in the early 90s.
                           \_ He is from the Insurance state, and represents
                              the insurance companies more than any other
                              candidate.  I actually heard him say "americans
                              don't want to hear about healthcare" in a
                              debate with the other democrats.  You might
                              as well vote for Bush.  The only worse
                              insurance whore I know of is Nancy Johnson,
                              from Hartford (she's in the House.)
2003/12/10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:11382 Activity:nil
12/9    Nancy Reagan opposes replacing FDR with Reagan on US dimes
        "When our country chooses to honor a great President such as Franklin
        Roosevelt by placing his likeness on our currency, it would be wrong
        to remove him and replace him with another," she said. "It is my hope
        that the proposed legislation will be withdrawn."
        http://csua.org/u/57m
        \_ but we already replace Washingon Airport in DC with Reagan Airport.
           What is one more replacement?
           \_ All Millard Fillmore schools are now Ronald Reagans. The
              Mississippi River is now the Mississippi Reagan.
            \_ my original point was that if those who think Reagan's
                "accomplishment" is good enough to replace the name
                bears the name of *THE* Founding Father, what is the big
                deal of replacing *MORE* Founding Father's figure with
                his?
                \_ Heh.  If FDR is a founding father, I am the Queen of
                   England.
                   \_ Go directly to English 1A. Do not Pass Go! Do not
                      collect $200.
                      \_ and "replace the name bears the name" is English?
2003/12/10-11 [Uncategorized] UID:11383 Activity:nil
12/9    Any comments on the artistic style formatter (astyle.sf.net)?
        Flexible?  Consistent?  Better alternatives?  This is for C++.
2003/12/10-11 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Computer/HW/Memory] UID:11384 Activity:nil
12/9    Anyone have any experience with the DDR RedOctane pad? I've been
        happy with my Ignition 2.0 pads, but wanted to get a more affordable
        for my brother's kids... Thx!  http://redoctane.com/ddr.html
            \_ i got Ignition 2.0's as well, but there are very similar
               BNS pads for $50. see the listing and review links here:
               http://www.buynshop.com/productinfo/44/VG-DDR-ULTDX
        \_ Are the ignition pads really worth the price? I can buy pads at
           EB Games for 1/3.
           \_ the ignition pads are *GREAT* - solid, responsive, can't
              complain at all.  After a year of hard dancing, the foam is
              still as thick/soft as new.  Well worth it if you're serious,
              but at a higher price. -op
        \_ My friend bought these, $39 for a foam pad:
           http://shop.store.yahoo.com/ddrgame/deigpad.html
           He's had it for a few months and it lasted way better than the $20
           pads.  If you look around you can get the cheap plastic ones for
           about $10-15, here is one:
           http://talkall-wireless.site.yahoo.net/playddrdanpa.html
                                                                   -oj
        \_ Every once in a great while, the motd comes through with a better
           collection of info than I've been able to find through much
           googling. I hate that.
        \_ Thanks for the great feedback!  Another DDR-related question -
           how does DDR MAX 2 compare to Konamix?  Worth upgrading to a PS2
           for? (got the PS1 just for DDR, thinking of upgrading for MAX
           and Karaoke Revolution)
           \_ around 70 songs in MAX2, freeze arrows, 60fps for the
              arrow movement, "light" mode (1-3 feet). songlists:
              http://www.ddrfreak.com/versions/listver.php
                                                           -oj
2003/12/10 [Uncategorized] UID:11385 Activity:nil
12/9    In regards to the googlebombing thread right below.  What sort of
        caching is google doing, such that different people could get
        different results for the same search done at (nearly) the same time?
        \_ Eh, given google's political leanings, I guess all this is done
           with google's full knowledge (and perhaps some help from specific
           employees).
                \_ alright, mr. conspiracy theorist.
                   \_ In the cloakroom!  With the wrench!
2003/12/10 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:11386 Activity:high
12/9    Nice one.  Enter "President 2004" into google, and hit "I'm feeling
        lucky."
        \_ The above debate resolved: At the moment, among
           1. http://www.google.com/search?q=president%202004&start=0 , and
           2. http://www2.google.com/search?q=president%202004&start=0 ,
           #1 yields Kucinich while #2 yields Dean as top hit. This means that
           Dean's rank rose recently and hasn't been propagated to the main
           db yet. This is as of 12:48am 12/10. -alexf
        \_ Does this change every week?
           \_ I think it was Dennis Kucinich until a few days ago.
              The Dean people googlebombed it very quickly.
              \_ Really?  I still got Kucinich.
                 \_ Odd, I got Dean.  Is it because I have my language
                    preference set to "Swedish Chef?"
                    \_ I even got Kucinich from soda (via lynx).  I think
                       the Swedish Chef must be it.
                       \_ Svedeesh Cheffs fur Deun!
                          Bork Bork Bork!
                          \_ I thought borking only occurred under Republican
                             presidents.
                       \_ Nope.  Set it to 'English' on my browser and
                          the same thing happened: Dean.  Could it be
                          because I'm using Mozilla?
                          \_ If I do president-2004 I get Dean. If I just type
                             "president 2004" with no quotes it's Kucinichifich
           \_ I get kucinich FWIW -nivra
        \_ Enter "miserable failure" into Google and hit "I'm feeling lucky"
        \_ http://www.google.com/preferences?hl=xx-hacker
2003/12/10 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Reference/History/WW2] UID:11388 Activity:high
12/9    If you dont' support us, you don't get the contract:
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3305501.stm
        This is all good except USA is panhandling the very same
        nations which USA left out for reconstruction fund *AND*
        debt restrucuring.
        \_ Fuck em, if reconstructing their countries after WWII
           and footing the defense bill for the entire Cold War was
           not enough, let them rot in their socialists
           constructs. Next time they need help...
           \_ Err ... didn't know US helped reconstruct Russia
              after WWII, and helped Russia during Cold War.
              Must have been reading the wrong history books.
                \_ Russia refused Marshall plan aid;  it was offered.  Sent
                   billions worth of war material during WWII;  in return,
                   got its pilots interned.  The US also sold a bunch of
                   nuclear reactors and massive amounts of food to the USSR
        `          during the cold war.  Get over yourself.
                   And you, you illerate baboon, learn to troll.  I'm
                   disappointed, bad show.  1941, after years of lend-lease,
                   hardly counts as "very late".  I guess I should blame
                   the stellar chicom educational system for your poor grasp
                   of history and English grammar.  Idiot. _
                                                            \
              Must be reading the wrong histroy books.
                   \_ declared war in 1941, only after attacked.  not in
                      Africa until 1943.  By then Soviet Union already
                      won the war, with wermacht on full retreat in the
                      eastern front.  Me chicom?  Nah, me front line
                      troops against chicom unlike US stay home slackers
                      like yourself.
           \_ US is a fucking slacker during WWII, didn't
              join the fight against facism until very late.
              of defense.
              It is US who should thank these countries for
              serving as its front line troops and first line
              of defense.
              \_ Rest of the world is fucking slacker now, didn't join the
                 fight against religious fundamentalism at all. It is the
                 rest of the world who should thank the US for taking the
                 initiative.
              \- this is consistent with why i felt the UN should tell the US
                 "we have no interest in bailing you out" ... you got yourself
                 into the swamp, now you can pay for it with your blood,
                 treasure and possibly electoral votes. --psb
2003/12/10 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast, Reference/Military] UID:11389 Activity:nil
12/9    Bush continues to win "hearts and minds" in the Middle East"
        http://www.csua.org/u/57q
        \_ yeah. Afghan is in the Middle East.  They are Arabs too...
           besides, Muslim == Arabs == terrorist.  With such strong
           conviction, we will prevail.
        \_ "... if noncombatants surround themselves with thousands of
           weapons and hundreds of rounds of ammunition and howitzers
           and mortars in a compound known to be used by a terrorist we
           are not completely responsible for the consequences."
           If I read this right, I think the Army is saying:" those kids
           are playing around with these ammo, thus, they deserved it."
           \_ Uhm, no.  More like, "It's not our fault."
              \_ Didn't work for the FBI at Ruby Ridge either.
2003/12/10 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:11390 Activity:nil
12/9    Are we invading Uzbekistan next?
        http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1072313,00.html
        \_ This is exactly why the humanitarian excuse for the war is total
           bullshit.  We do NOT use our military for humanitarian reasons
           until someone determines that an exorbitant economic or political
           cost requires it.  This is why we were not in Rwanda in '94, and
           why we settled on sanctions rather than a military ouster in Iraq
           in '91.
           \_ Why were we in Somalia?
              \_ Shell.
2003/12/10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:11391 Activity:moderate
12/9    Bush makes a foriegn deputy appointment I can get behind. -AML
        http://csua.org/u/57t
        \_ Nitpick: Powell made the appointment.  Good story, though.
2003/12/10 [Reference/Religion] UID:11392 Activity:high
12/10   If you're following the news, you know that the major religions
        differ in their interpretation of the holy books.  For example, one
        way to interpret God's will is that you should love your neighbor.
        An alternate reading of the holy books might lead you to rig a
        donkey cart with small mortar rockets and aim it at a hotel full of
        infidels.  In summary, po-tay-to, poh-tah-to.
        \_ They say to love your fellow clan neighbors. As for Others, you
           can slaughter them up and down the Jordan, cuz his name is The Lord!
        \_ Wait...you mean, organized religion is bunk?  Holy shit!!!  What
           a fucking revelation, dude!  Like, pass the bong and stuff.
        \_ The Holy Books are full of garbage.  Go East young man. The problems
           of class warfare, clan warfare, and hunger predate judeo-christian
           philosophy by a LONG TIME.  Your Holy Books are like the dumbed-down
           copy of Dianetics you see in the checkout line.
           \_ dumbed down? dumbed down?  insult christianity and judaism all
              you want, but if you're going to say that they're dumber than
              scientology that's just too much.  At least mohammed had a
              good command of his own language and some leadership skill.
              Hubbard was just a two bit con man.  And also, there are some
              good and some bad people in the Big Three western religions,
              whereas I've never met a scientologist who wasn't crazy.
              Read the Turn of the Wheel, by  Phillip K. Dick.
           \_ Judaism is very very old.  Also, the important bits of Judaism
              are not written down and are only passed down orally.  -- jew
2003/12/10-11 [Uncategorized] UID:11393 Activity:low
12/9    What's the least cromulent word you've heard used seriously?
        \_ No definitions found for "cromulent"
           \_ http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cromulent
           \_ A Cromulent?  Is that like what you get when a Klingon and
              a Romulan copulate?
        \_ I still hate "orientate" and all its tenses and conjugations.
           \_ It's a shame it's been around for 150 years.  I hate it too.
        \_ "nuculer"
        \_ "gormandise"
2003/12/10-11 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:11394 Activity:low
12/9    http://www.npr.org/display_pages/features/feature_1537409.html
        NPR series on Brown vs Board.  This is one of the best series
        produced by Nina Totenberg.  I love NPR!
        \- But they didnt talk about how Earl Warren was a Stripper. --psb
           \_ Earl Warren wasn't a stripper! -ms
              \- You're so naive.
        \_ I always pictured her (Nina) as some young hottie journalist.
           Maybe she was one 15 years ago...
           \- Judy Woodruff >> N.T.
2003/12/10-11 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:11395 Activity:moderate
12/9    If the president cannot serve over 2 consecutive terms, does that
        mean our beloved Bill Clinton could come back to serve?
        \_ It would be funny to see a Bill Clinton / Hillary Clinton
           presidential bid. (Gives new meaning to the term "running mate",
           though I'm sure those two haven't actually mated in 10 years).
        \_ No one can serve more than two terms, consecutive or not,
           short of a constitutional amendment (for details, see
           22nd Amendment).
           \_ It also says here that the manufacture, sale, or
              transportation of intoxicating liquors is prohibited.
              And ducks are required to wear long pants.
              \_ And dancing on the Sabbath shall be punishable by 40 lashes.
           \_ But he could be a Veepee.
           \_ But he could be a Peepee.
              \_ No, he can't.  One of the roles of the VP is to become
                 president if hte president is incapacitated.
                 \_ Really?  By the same logic, a VP must be US-born.  In
                    reality someone foreign-born is allowed to become the VP.
                 \_ The VP is 1st in sucession, but there are a lot of other
                    people further down the line.  The VP could be president
                    of the senate, and in the event POTUS dies, the VP is
                    passed over for a native-born person.
        \_ It's not that he can't do more than 2 consecutive terms, he can't
           do more than 10 years total. If someone is removed from office,
           a VP can become president for a partial term and then server two
           full terms... so if Hillary were assassinated, would Bill be able
           to take over as President for a while, assuming his total time in
           in office were less than 10 years?
2003/12/10 [Politics] UID:11396 Activity:nil
12/9    Okay, this advanced soldier uniform looks WAY too much like an
        Imperial Stormtrooper:
        link:tinyurl.com/yn1k
        \_ Das! All heil evil infidels of the BushReich!
                \_ Your post was was not funny.  Mine was.  --op
        \_ I think I saw that guy playing paintball last year.
2003/12/10 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:11397 Activity:nil
12/9    Supremes uphold McCain-Feingold campaign finance law 5-4
        http://tinyurl.com/ymsn  (nytimes link, http://csua.org/u was unresponsive)
2003/12/10 [Uncategorized] UID:11398 Activity:nil
12/10   Censors suck.
        \_ I second that.
        \_ Yeah, and they sux0r too.
2003/12/10-11 [Uncategorized] UID:11399 Activity:nil
12/10   Why do people write numbers in digits with parentheses after writing
        them in English?  For example: "I have two (2) apples."
        \_ maybe it makes it easier for someone who is skimming a document
           to pick out the numbers from the text--just a guess.  It seems like
           i've mostly seen this in government documents, where the signal
           to noise ratio tends to be low.
        \_ Redundancy is good?  Help search engines?
        \_ People do that?!
        \_ I do it to reduce the chance the reader won't mess up my order.
           \_ Same here.  As in, "The Titanic needs forty (40) lifeboats."
        \_ Maybe the redundancy helps to prevent ambiguity.
2003/12/10-11 [Computer/Networking] UID:11400 Activity:nil
12/9    Is anyone else having trouble resolving .org domains?
        Older resolvers seem to have issues with tld{1,2}.ultradns.net
        giving 2nd level delegation responses with the authoritative
        flag set.  Why do they keep breaking the internet?
        \_ hm, i've been unable to send to or receive mail from a
           particular .org on soda b/c of nameserver issues, but i
           just assumed it was a problem on their side.  is this
           really a larger issue?
2003/12/10-11 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:11401 Activity:nil
12/9    How do I change .procmailrc so that if spamassassin flags it with
        50 points or over, it will go to /dev/null instead of mail/spam?
        \_ This has been asked about 3 times in the past few months.
        :0
        * ^X-Spam-Level: \*\*\*\*\*\*\
        /dev/null
        This will nullify anything with 6 points or over
2003/12/10-11 [Computer/Networking] UID:11411 Activity:nil
12/10   Anyone familiar with samba/windows networking? I was setting up
        a small LAN workgroup (no domain server) and noticed that for whatever
        reason that I couldn't assign 192.x.x.1 as an ip address to one of
        the machines. If I did this the machine would be inconsistent in
        being able to be found through the Network Neighborhood.
        Since I've never had a problem with assigning this
        to any of the machines when using strict TCP/IP stuff, I was curious
        as to why this is. The LAN has no DHCP server. Does samba/windows
        somehow use this address to broadcast?
        \_ Well duh, you can't have a x in an ip address!
        \_ I assume you mean 192.168.0.1.  It's possible another machine
           in the network is using this IP.  If you turn on Internet
           Connection Sharing for a computer, Windows will auto-assign this
           address.
2003/12/10-11 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus] UID:29701 Activity:high
12/10   No, seriously-- I really need a code formatter for C++.
        \_ http://www.google.com/search?q=C%2B%2B+code+formatter
        \_ How much formatting do you want?  Just indent?  Or do you want to
           parse the lex the code and rearrange {}'s ()'s whitespace, etc.?
           \_ indent chokes on c++
              \_ you didn't even answer the guy's question; why should
                 anyone answer yours?
              \_ Hey dumbass, I wasn't talking about /usr/bin/indent, I was
                 talking about indenting in general.
        \_ http://sourceforge.net/projects/astyle
           \_ How does Java style differ from K&R?
2003/12/10-11 [Uncategorized] UID:29702 Activity:nil
12/10   I give up trying to restore those threads.  Go ahead and be a dick, HMC
2003/12/10-11 [Uncategorized] UID:29703 Activity:low
12/10   Is consulting a service, or is consulting just "consulting"?
        \_ con'sulting = con + insulting.
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