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2003/11/26-27 [Recreation/Dating, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:11228 Activity:kinda low 88%like:29671
11/26   what preprocessor macro is defind on FreeBSD so that I can write
        conditional code only for FreeBSD? i am using gcc...
        What about solaris? Thanks.

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        \_ You can use __FreeBSD__ and __sun to tell the difference between
           FreeBSD and Solaris; you can also use __i386 and __sparc if you
           want to know the CPU type.  (These all work with Sun's C compiler
           as well as with gcc.)  --mconst
2003/11/26 [Uncategorized] UID:11229 Activity:nil
11/25   Programmers or serial killers?  It's hard to tell the difference:
        http://www.malevole.com/mv/misc/killerquiz
        \_ That is so September 19th, 2003.
2003/11/26 [Computer/Companies/Yahoo, Politics] UID:11230 Activity:nil
11/25   "A Muslim chaplain who served at the U.S. prison camp in Guantanamo
        Bay, Cuba, was charged Tuesday with adultery and storing pornography on
        a government computer".
        http://csua.org/u/53p (Yahoo News)
        I thought this guy was booked for spying.  Not enough evidence?  Next
        week he's going to be charged with spitting in public.
        \_ Because to charge him with espionage they'd have to reveal in
           public what it was he was stealing which defeats the purpose of
           charging him with espionage and trying to keep secrets in the
           first place.  Are you naive or just intenionally ignorant?
           \_ how awfully convenient
           \_ No.  It was just too funny so I posted it.  -- OP
           \_ In other words, you just can't parody this shit.
2003/11/26 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:11231 Activity:nil
11/25   Bush family values:
        http://csua.org/u/53o
        \_ You upset that he's more successful than you'll ever be or that he
           got laid with numerous h0t az14n chicks while doing it?  Jealousy
           is so ugly.
2003/11/26 [Uncategorized] UID:11232 Activity:nil
11/25   Amen, a day went by without casuaty in Iraq.
        \_ thank you for pointing this out.
           \_ Let's pray for 2 more days like this one, so no family has to
              receive news of the death of a loved one over thanksgiving.
        \_ The more Americans die, the better it is because the sooner they'll
           come home.  My HS English teacher told us that during some other
           conflict.
2003/11/26-27 [Computer/SW] UID:11233 Activity:nil
11/25   Has anyone used any "home" architecture software that doesn't suck?
        I've tried Broderbund and Punch's products, both suck.
        \_ circa 1995 AutoCad12, engineering student discount. great software.
           I later tried a consumer program. it sucked, unistalled, returned it.
        \_ ~1997 AutoCAD R14 is the fastest/best of the AutoCAD's.
        \_ Autocad12 isn't available on emule but R14 is. I had previously
           d/l'd Autocad 2004 and it was a dog.
2003/11/26 [Uncategorized] UID:11234 Activity:nil
11/25   Brazil might switch to Linux:
        http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=3877289
        \_ Brazil might stop killing off thousands of street kids every year
           before they worry about their softare licensing issues.
2003/11/26-27 [Computer/SW] UID:11235 Activity:low
11/25   Anyone know of 'black friday' deals on computer equipment?
        \_ http://fatwallet.com
           \_ both fatwallet and anandtech have already been contacted by
              legal departments of the stores on account of so called
              DMCA violation.
              \_ URL?
                 \_ Just read through the forums.  You'll see topics editted
                    by site admins and people talking about it..
2003/11/26 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:11236 Activity:high
11/26   Is there any rule on motd that prohibits deletion targeting at
        certain individual, and/or using automated script to delete certain
        person/types of post?
        \_ No such rule.  The admins would prefer not to waste their time
           policing the motd.  The deleter's lameness is its own punishment.
                --PeterM
        \_ Using an automated script should be squishable--but paolo still
           has his account.  -tom
           \_ there are worse things than selectively or automatically
              purging the motd--but tom still has his account.
2003/11/26 [Uncategorized] UID:11237 Activity:nil
11/26   Perfect.  Now that someone zotted the whole motd no one has use of
        it.  I hope the content censor idiots are finally happy.
        \_ But someone might say something I don't agree with!!!
2003/11/26-27 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:11238 Activity:moderate
11/26   Granted she and her husband got $540K for 80 of them from the Chinese
        government, but what exactly is a "Military Intel486 DX2
        microprocessor"?  I know what an Intel 486DX2 CPU is.
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16259-2003Nov26_2.html
        \_ maybe one of those special radiation-hardened ones like they used
           in some nasa spacecraft.
           \_ I don't think it costs $53,000 to harden a chip for radiation.
              \_ It takes about $5 worth of lead, maybe $50 to manufacture the
                 specific casing, air vents, etc....
                 \_ and how much r&d and testing to manufacture a small number
                    of chips for non-commercial purposes?  Yeah, you're right,
                    each chip should be retail price+$55+$8 s/h.  Nerds....
              \_ Why do you think the sale price of an item illegal to export
                 would be even close to the manufacturing cost?
                 \_ On the other hand, wasn't our own military buying $15,000
                    toilets during the Reagan '80s?
                    \_ Yeah, but they were radiation-hardened toilets.
                    \_ Yes, some during the Reagan era when a Reagan era audit
                       uncovered the problem going back through the Carter era,
                       but it makes the joke better if you leave out the truth.
                       \_ Source?
                          \_ I'm old enough to remember.  Find your own
                             links if you're not.  It isn't history to me.
                             \_ Ah, so you have none and are basically just
                                spewing nonsense.  Thanks for clarifying that!
                                \_ I don't have a link that says Nixon resigned
                                   either or that the hostage crisis happened
                                   during Carter's time but I remember those,
                                   too.  Must be that they didn't happen.  Or
                                   we could apply logic and figure out that
                                   gross abuses of budgets don't spring up
                                   over night, it takes years for that sort of
                                   government stupidity to fester and then
                                   see that it had to have been going on.  Hmm.
                                   You're right.  Before the web and urls there
                                   was nothing.  Time didn't exist.  There was
                                   no web at the time so anything talking about
                                   that time can't have happened.  Thanks for
                                   clarifying.  History didn't start until
                                   Netscape, right?  Here, try this although
                                   I know you'll just dismiss the source since
                                   it's only the President saying it:
                http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/resource/speeches/1986/21086d.htm
                                   \_ Thanks for the link.  And I didn't ask
                                      for a URL, I asked for a source which
                                      you've finally provided.
                                   Netscape, right?
                                   \_ Thanks for the link.
                             \_ In my day, we had to walk 6 miles barefoot
                                through the snow, uphill, to find out about
                                government waste!
2003/11/26-27 [Computer/Companies/Ebay] UID:11240 Activity:nil
11/26   Given that most ebay transactions I see assume a paypal transaction
        is one basically writing off ebay transactions if one is too leery of
        PayPal's Terms of Service to use them? I can imagine a rule of thumb to
        the effect of: "Use paypal for no larger an amount than you are willing
        to simply kiss away to bad luck." IMHO http://paypalsucks.org does not address
        this issue very well.
        \_ I see very few eBay sellers who require PayPal only.  You can always
           mail a check or money order, although it is slower.
        \_ know of any alternatives for free low-volume fund transfers?
           \_ Isn't using the PayPal bank withdrawal feature free?
                \_ Yeah, for personal accounts. I'm wondering if there
                   is an alternative service that is also free.
              \_ Given their behavior with people's credit card accounts,
                 I would not give paypal that kind of access to my non-credit
                 accounts but YMMV.
2003/11/26-27 [Recreation/Pets, Recreation/Humor, Recreation/Media] UID:11241 Activity:nil
11/26   How to Kill Your Neighbor's Dog was a very good movie rental-- along
        the lines of Adaptation, but funnier and not so strange.
        \_ This coming from someone who thought Adaptation was "strange"
2003/11/26-27 [Computer/HW/CPU, Computer/HW/Display] UID:11242 Activity:nil
11/26   PC about PC
        http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/11/26/master.term.reut/index.html
        \_ "Master and Slave computer labels offensive"
           \_ The complaint was actually about some videotape machine, but
              the policy applies to all equipment.
        \_ Intel knew this back in 1995, that's why the PCI specs have no
           master/slave labels. Instead they use "arbitor" and other terms.
           \_ yeah, LA has been getting a lot of flak over this but the truth
              is if someone come up with the term master/slave for a computer
              system today, he probably would be politely asked to come up
              with a new term.  I actually CAN see why some people would like
              the term changed.  They aren't storming the barricades made
              about it either.  Stupid geeks getting all frumphy over someone
              else getting frumphy is always good for an eye roll.
        \_ Well, "Promiscuous" is a valid term in networking:
           http://www.tek-tips.com/gpviewthread.cfm/qid/527658/pid/729/lev2/5/lev3/60
2003/11/26-27 [Uncategorized] UID:11243 Activity:nil
11/26   http://www.officedepot.com/promo.do?file=/promo/pages/thanksgiving.jsp
        Look, a 50 megapixel camera.
                \_ I think they mean 5.0
2003/11/26-28 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:11250 Activity:nil
11/26   I forward mail for some people (from virtusertable) using sendmail.
        However, it results in a bunch of bounced mails from ISPs that bounce
        spam.  I don't want my postmaster account to get these bounces,
        what should i do?
        \_ procmail?
            \_ dude, that's like hard -n- stuff.
        \_ redirect postmaster to /dev/null.  who reads postmaster anymore?
            \_ I was doing that actually, but at some point my ISP dropped my
                PTR record and i didn't find out about it for a while.
                During that time it resulted in bounced mails from places that
                didn't like that i didn't have one. :(  I need to know if I'm
                getting blacklisted for some reason i can fix, but I don't
                want to have to sift through all the bounced spam :(  Looks
                like procmail is the answer, but I don't relish diving in.
2003/11/26-27 [Uncategorized] UID:11251 Activity:nil
11/26   http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?journal=myth&itemid=301835
        Proposed modification to cell phones.
2003/11/26 [Uncategorized] UID:29670 Activity:nil
11/26   All lame boring techie shit purged from motd.  There are more
        interesting things going on in the world than whatever slashdot
        is mewling about lately.
2003/11/26-27 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:29671 Activity:nil 88%like:11228
11/26   what preprocessor macro is defind on FreeBSD so that I can write
        conditional code only for FreeBSD? i am using gcc...
        What about solaris? Thanks.
        \_ You can use __FreeBSD__ and __sun to tell the difference between
           FreeBSD and Solaris; you can also use __i386 and __sparc if you
           want to know the CPU type.  (These all work with Sun's C compiler
           as well as with gcc.)  --mconst
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