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2003/11/19 [Uncategorized] UID:11126 Activity:nil
11/19   NWN fans: the next expansion went gold.
2003/11/19 [Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:11127 Activity:kinda low
11/18   I'm using Emacs 21.X.X and it's complaining the following: "Error in
        init file: Symbol's function definition is void: hilit-translate"
        What is wrong?
        \_ exactly what it's saying maybe? i've not been impressed with
           the default redhat 9 install. one should really customize their
           own .emacs anyway.
        \_ 21.X.X?  Yeesh.  Kids today.  Back in the day we had emacs 17.x.
           We didn't have the E or the X.X.  We had to have one lousy .x and
           be happy with it.
           \_ Back in the days I used jove.  -- !OP
              \_ hah!  I still use jove!  If jove isn't installed, a unix
                 system isn't complete.
              \_ obREALMENUSEED!
2003/11/19 [Computer, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:11128 Activity:nil
11/17   Old but cool: /csua/tmp/Sims.mpg
        (evolved virtual creatures in various environments)
2003/11/19 [Uncategorized] UID:11129 Activity:nil
11/17   What is the effect of having restrictive bands around one's biceps when
        lifting things?
        \_ Did you ever see "The Barbarian Brothers"?  that movie rocked.
        \_ what do you mean? what kind of restrictive bands? those are either
           just small walkman-like radios that you can strap to your arm, or,
           if around the elbow, bands for protection against elbow strain.
        \_ They keep me from over flexing and destroying the world!  They're
           made of unobtanium forged by the Hand of God at the core of the
           Universe!
           \_ Wtf!?  meds-p
              \_ sigh... go away humorless little gnome.
        \_ Severe pain.
2003/11/19 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:11130 Activity:nil
11/17   I have two linux boxes running debian. their sources.list files
        are identical. on one box, I can get the kernel-image-2.4.20*
        but the other I cant.   dpkg -l "*kernel-image-2.4.2*"  :
        1) No packages found matching *kernel-image-2.4.2*.
        2) ii  kernel-image-2.4.20 2.4.20-9  Linux kernel image for version ..
           ii  kernel-image-2.4.21 2.4.21-4  Linux kernel image for version ..
        What could cause this?
        \_ dunno, this never happens on my windows or mac.
           \_ Neither does this, uptime:  up 300 days, 20:11, 230 users
              \_ soda doesn't exactly do all that much hard labor though.
                 \_ heh.  nice attempt at a troll.
                    \_ but it's true. what do people do on soda? read/write
                       some mail, nuke motd, blather on wall, maybe edit
                       some webpages. bfd. it's not like someone's been
                       compiling massive software, running mozilla, or
                       handling huge amounts of traffic all day for 300 days.
                       what's the load average? 0.39, 0.45, 0.40? psh.
                    \_ I wasn't attempting to troll.  It's the truth.  Both
                       windows and macs don't have that problem.  When you
                       nerdlings write a system normal people can use, let us
                       know.  You're also really dimwitted if you think a
                       freebsd based Mac can't run for 300+ days.  Most windows
                       boxes can't but that's because people run as admin and
                       install every stupid web toy they see.
           \_ How much you paid for your windows or mac OS again? or you
              pirated?
              \_ Some came with systems so my effective cost is about $50.
                 Some were pirated.
        \_ I had to run this command. Never had to do this before.
           dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_\
           dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages
           Shouldnt' apt-get update do this?  Any ideas what's broken? -op
           \_ Hey, that's intuitive!  Go linux!
2003/11/19 [Reference/Tax] UID:11131 Activity:moderate
11/17   Dean is supposed to be pro-worker/pro-union, but he wants to raise
        the retirement age to 70. how is that pro-worker? -dem
        \_ Well, it kinda screws the baby boomers, but in return you don't have
           to raise taxes on current workers as much to pay for baby boomer's
           returements.  It's kinda fair in a way.  The boomers paid low SS
           taxes because they only had to support the previous generation.
           If we want to give them the same benefits their parents got, the
           gen-X and later workers will have to pay a higher SS tax than the
           boomers paid.
           \_ there aren't as many genxers but there's a lot of echo boomers.
              let the echo boomers pay for their parents but keep my taxes
              low since all i got from the baby boomers was fucked.  -genxer
              \_ hmm... you like them old ladies do you?
              \_ You know there could never be an age-based tax like that. The
                 closest you could get would be raising taxes later... which is
                 probably what will happen.
                 \_ Yeah I know it but I can hope.  A constitutional convention
                    could change the rules to make it ok.  "And we hereby
                    decree that the genxers with the help of the feeble minded
                    drug addled, poorly raised echo boomers shall fuck the
                    baby boomers who did so much damage to this country and
                    gave nothing in return".  It could happen.  I have hope.
                 \_ fucking old people, leaving deficits for me. i say kill off
                    social security. damn reagan worshipping bitches.
                    \_ Eli, is that you?
                    \_ reagan?  what's he got to do with it?
           \_ There are trillions of baby boomers. So if it screws them, how is
                he gonna get elected?
              \_ He's not going to get elected anyway so it's academic.
                 \_ And he has a "A" rating from the NRA. Which makes him
                    easily the coolest Democrat.
2003/11/19 [Transportation/Car] UID:11132 Activity:nil
11/17   Has anyone bought a new vehicle using AAA's pre-negotiated price
        service (whatever it's called)?  How's that price compared to the
        invoice price?  Thanks.
        \_ it's not that great.  Go through costco instead ($500 over
           invoice, I think, better than AAA), and then go to a non-
           costco-participating dealer, and ask them to beat it.  Worked
           for me (with Honda)
           \_ How does someone negotiate the price down to the invoice price?
              Any tips?  Thx.
              \_ http://www.fool.com/car/car.htm?ref=eseovrlnk603100
                 \_ I did this last June and I got the price of my Jetta GLI
                    down to a couple of hundred above invoice. Don't forget
                    http://www.edmunds.com for dealer incentives and other
                    hidden rebates.
2003/11/19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:11133 Activity:kinda low
11/17   I seem to remember a website posted once on the motd about various
        salaries for various tech employees w/ different experience levels,
        etc. Anyone know the URL? thanks.
        \_ From 10/27:
           "Too much info to put in the motd. The whole thing is online at
           http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/salsurvey/"
        \_ These are always way low if you've got mad skillz.  There's way
           too many zero skill tape changing, vb scripting, never got a
           college degree losers in there to compare to your berkeley degree.
           Take the survey results and add 20% or $20k, whichever is more and
           you start to get into the low end of the right range.
           \_ Shit I am 6 months out of college and I am making 6 digits,
              *plus* I have stock options worth another $1M... oh, that's
              right, it's not 1999 anymore.
              \_ Gee, I didn't reach 6 digits until I was 8 years out of
                 college.
              \_ Sigh.  Idiot.  Whatever a non Berkeley person is making, add
                 $20k or 20%, whichever is higher.  Did I say 1999?  Did I say
                 you'd make a million dollars?  No.  Stop putting words on the
                 screen I didn't write, imply, or intend.  Maybe I was wrong.
                 Are you a Berkeley alum?  You should be flipping burgers for
                 6.50/hr.  Idiot.
                 \_ You claim that the average Berkeley grad working as
                    a sysadmin in The Bay Area is making 107k/yr on the low end?
                    And then you claim that *I* am the idiot. Keep living
                    in your fantasy world asshole.
                 \_ Min wage in CA is $6.75/hr.
                    \_ Not in Communist SF, where they are intent on driving
                       out small businesses with their $8.50/hr
                       \_ obviously you know nothing about communism.
                           \_ Frmr Member Spactacus Youth League, and you?
                    \_ I didn't say minimum wage.  I said $6.50.  He needs a
                       below minimum training wage until he's earned the right
                       to earn minimum.  He has to prove himself worthy.
2003/11/19 [Computer/HW/Laptop] UID:11134 Activity:nil
11/17   What's the difference between high density and low density
        laptop memory.  Will my laptop really not work if the chip
        is "high density" and my laptop wants low?  If so, why the
        hell doesn't my laptop specs say whether it takes high or
        low density memory?  sheesh. Tnxs (i know the motd knows)
        \_ the high density is heavier per volume unit.
2003/11/19 [Transportation/Car/Hybrid] UID:11135 Activity:nil
11/18   Anyone know what happened to the Toyota RAV4 EV?  There's no longer the
        EV in 2004.  Was it design flaw?  High maintenance?
        \_ no buyers?
        \_ Think they committed to hybrid stuff like the Priapism instead.
                                                hehe LOL! _/
           \_ hey don't joke about priapisms.  the sufferers are some of the
              least happy men around.  it might be you one day.  (hehehe)
2003/11/19 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:11136 Activity:nil
11/18   man spam
2003/11/19 [Recreation/Dating] UID:11137 Activity:high
11/19   Has anyone heard an argument for defining marriage as being between
        a man and a woman that hasn't relied on "common sense" or
        "tradition"?  I can't seem to find an argument that can't be traced
        back to religious doctrine fairly easily.
          \_ This is going to get flamed but every gay or lesbian person I've
             known has been a little odd, aside from the sexual aspect. Well, ok
             one of the lesbos was pretty cool. I think it's a mental thing.
             \_ There's no point in flaming you.  You're already on fire.
        \_ Yes.  The purpose of marriage is to create a stable societally
           enforced and supported relationship to raise children.  The benefits
           to marraige are there to make it easier to raise kids because
           healthy, happy, educated, well adjusted kids are a great benefit
           to society.  If you're not having kids society doesn't benefit
           from your marriage enough to justify any benefits received.
           Further more, children are better off with a mom and a dad, not two
           mommies or two daddies.  Those in favor of diversity should
           understand that getting the multi-gender upbringing and perspective
           on life is more likely to provide a child with the tools s/he needs
           to do well in life.
           \_ STOP OVERWRITING PEOPLE'S POSTS
              \_ wasn't but you're going to start getting purged just for being
                 wrong and an idiot and casting blame in the wrong direction.
           \_ Any particular reason you posted this FIVE TIMES?!
              \_ what?  i didnt.
                 \_ Yeah, you did, somehow.  I took a liberty of removing the
                    copies for you.  You're welcome.
                    \_ no.  i didn't.  thanks for cleaning the multiple copies
                       for everyone, anyway.
           \_ Got any evidence to support your idea that a child is
              "better off" with two parents of different sex?
              \_ OP wanted a reason.  I provided.  If you don't like the status
                 quo reason, it falls upon those seeking change to justify it.
                 \_ And if the status quo reason makes no logical sense and is
                    instead based on mindless tradition, it behooves the
                    society to embrace the change-- even grudgingly.
                    \_ It makes no logical sense to you.  It makes lots of
                       sense to lots of people.  If you want something
                       different from the status quo it is your burden to
                       prove that your solution is not only better but the
                       costs to society to make the change are worth it as
                       well.  If the new thing were better enough society
                       wouldn't grudgingly change, it would embrace the new
                       thing without force.
                 \_ Your "reason" is irrational. Thanks for proving his point.
                    \_ I didn't provide a "reason".  He asked a question which
                       I answered.  No points made in any direction.  I wasn't
                       expressing my own opinion.
           \_ If the purpose of marriage is to create well-adjusted kids, then
              it stands to reason that two loving parents in a committed,
              monogamous relationship and equipped with an adequate income
              would be better suited to help an orphaned or abandoned child
              than the current system of orphanages and foster homes--
              regardless of whether that couple is hetero- or homosexual.
              A child raised by either two men or two women is still as likely
              to receive a positive education about gender roles as any child
              raised in a household with non-same-sex parents.
              \_ I agree until you get to "A child raised by" at the end.  How
                 can two women provide a child with what a man can provide?
                 How can two men replace a child's mother?
                 \_ What is it that a mother provides that a loving male
                    parent cannot?  What is that a father provides that a
                    loving female parent cannot?  Until we define these so-
                    called differences, we cannot make broad generalizations
                    about who can provide what to a child.
                    \_ A child needs a father AND a mother.  They respond
                       differently to them, and they learn different lessons
                       from them.
                       \_ What lessons? How are they gender-dependent?
                          \_ You really think there's no difference between
                             men and women?  Mothers and fathers?  You're now
                             getting into areas that are so fundamental that
                             if you disagree it would take volumes to cover
                             all the basics.  You're not an alien from another
                             world so I can't believe your reply is anything
                             other than a rhetorical attempt to ignore the
                             obvious.  Saying men and women are the same is
                             ridiculous on it's face and no one from any part
                             of the political, social, or other spectrum would
                             agree with that statement.
        \_ perhaps gays should start adopting the word 'civil union'
           instead of marriage and guys like my dad won't get so upset. - danh
           \_ My mind automatically inserted "and mom" into your comment,
              which changed its meaning immensely.
              \_ c'mon, admit it, you were thinking about yermom, not his
        \_ The purpose of marriage to legitimize children. Adoption - the only
           way fags "reproduce" - is not the same thing.
           \_ So, any childless marriage is null and void? And barren/sterile
              people should not be allowed to marry?  (But your point about
              a non-religious argument is taken. Thank you.)
                \_ In certain societies this is the case.
                   \_ Perhaps, but in our society?
           \_ Dont' forget the lesbians, who can easily produce children
              without resorting to adoption...
              \_ they can?  no, they can't.  they still need a man.  did you
                 never get the birds and bees chat or take an anatomy course?
           \_ Dont' forget the lesbians, who can easily produce children without
              resorting to adoption...
        \_ Almost all homosexuals have mental neurosis or pathologies.  Look
           at the epidemiological data on disease transmission and sexual
           addiction statistics.  Look at SF, you have 100's bathhouses for
           anonymous sex - this is an environment to bring children up in?
           \_ You lie. Actually everything in your post is false. You believe
              there are 100s of bathhouses in SF? You are nuts.
              \_ Not only is he nuts, he's really insistent about it.  He's
                 already deleted four responses to his drivel, and probably
                 \_ Not to defend bigots, but (1) there were not four deleted,
                    and (2) at least one was an accidental overwrite by an
                    idiot.
               \_ Consider that syphillis has been virtaully eradicated in
                  every segment of society except one; which segment do you
                  think that is?
                  \_ You're just jealous because the gay men are gettin' some
                     and you're still jerking off to plumper and shemale pics.
              there are 100s of bathhouses in SF? You are nuts.
              \_ Not only is he nuts, he's really insistent about it.  He's
                 already deleted four responses to his drivel, and probably soon
                 a couple more.
                 soon a couple more.
                 \_ tinfoil hat time.  its a motdedit war, stupid.
2003/11/19 [Uncategorized] UID:11138 Activity:nil
11/19   Hi everyone!
        http://images.lamer.net/fagotville.gif
2003/11/19-20 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:11139 Activity:nil
11/19   About my debian dpkg/apt-get question from yesterday.
        I found the answer: deslect update
        \_ why of course!  as soon as my macos and windows boxes get deselect
           i'll have caught up to the beauty that is managing linux today!
            \_ managing windows: reboot, reinstall, reformat
               \_ i've never reinstalled or reformatted my original win2k
                  install.  yes, it has been rebooted many many times but so
                  has your linux box with the kernel of the week.
2003/11/19-20 [Computer/SW/OS/Misc] UID:11140 Activity:low
11/19   Anybody write code (or know people who write code) that go into
        airplanes, guided missiles, or satellites, etc?  Code that just HAS
        to work 100% of the time?   I'm wondering about what kind of
        OS they use (if any) or how exactly they write such code.  Any
        documented procedure online?  Thanks.
        \_ APL and no stupid "we'll just patch it later" testing.
           \_ People actually use APL? I had no idea.
              \_ It was designed to government spec.  You never had Hilfinger?
                 \_ LIES LIES LIES: http://www.acm.org/sigapl/whyapl.htm
           \_ Don't you mean Ada?  --Jon
              \_ Probably.  I was half asleep.
        \_ LynxOS and VxWorks
        \_ Stop fucking deleting my response that we use VxWorks here. --dim
           \_ Stop advertising VxWorks.  It doesn't.
        \_ QNX
        \_ hand written assembly with multiple layers of inspection.
        \_ VxWorks here, too. --dim
2003/11/19 [Recreation/Celebrity/MichaelJackson] UID:11141 Activity:high
11/19   Oh great.  Arrest warrant issued for Michael Jackson.  So much for
        hearing any real news for awhile.
        http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/11/19/jackson.ranch/index.html
        \_ Yeah because it's more important that you can get "real" news than
           the fate of the boys he's been raping.  Without media attention
           forcing the government's hand, he'll never be stopped.
           \_ STOP OVERWRITING PEOPLE'S POSTS
              \_ idiot.  i wasn't.  i know who was though but it's not worth
                 getting into another motdedit use/not use flame fest.
           \_ What in Sam Hill you talkin' about, boey?  The gub'mint is the
              one doin' the arrestin', I'm talkin' about the stupid media.
              They report every single MJ item as front page news already.
              You're a real peice of work, son - not a brain cell in ya.
              \_ Is this meant to be sarcastic?  Ironic?  Something else?
                 \_ Does it matter?  The post it was replying to is asinine.
2003/11/19 [Uncategorized] UID:11142 Activity:moderate
11/19   No one ever posts william safire links, so here's one for you:
        http://nytimes.com/2003/11/19/opinion/19SAFI.html
        \_ I always read Safire's column.  I think you have posted perhaps
           the worst Safire column I've ever read.  Thanks, jackass.
        \_ (11) William Safire would admit that the use of "SecDef" to refer
           to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld panders to doublespeak
           and jargon that furthers the jingoistic, militaristic agenda of
           the rabid right.
2003/11/19-20 [Recreation/Dating] UID:11143 Activity:high
11/19   Woman I was dating broke up with me because I reminded her of her
        previous bf who also worked for a dot-com and hated his job. Do women
        really prefer guys who are happy with what they are doing but make
        far less? Should I really quit if my job makes me this unhappy? Do
        people with computer jobs tend to be less happy than others?
        \_ Women like guys who are happy.  If your jobs makes you grumpy, that
           makes you no fun to be around.
        \_ Do you live in Walnut Creek? 'Cos that would be a funny
           coincidence.
        \_ to paraphrase a line from my favorite book, if you hate what
           you're doing, quit while you still hate it.
           \_ that way you can work at Walmart and hate your job AND have no
              money!
        \_ Some women will put up with your shit for your money.  Others want
           to actually like the guy they're with.  Which woman do you want?
             \_ Here's the thing. It's not like I chronically complained about
                work to her. I think I said I didn't like where I worked
                twice. And really, I don't realistically think there is any
                job out there that would pay me enough to lead a decent life
                AND I would actually love. That's why it's called work. -op
                \_ All true.  Many of us are in similar positions.  Maybe
                   she just used that as an excuse because she's a psycho?
                   Most women are and couldn't articulate their reasons for
                   what they do/say/think anyway so just make shit up.
                   \_ s/women/people/
                      \_ no.  when it comes to women and relationships theyve
                         got a lock on this one.  try dating a woman and you'll
                         see.
        \_ Have you ever wondered maybe the reason is not that you work for a
           dot-com and/or you hate your job, but is that you remind her of her
           ex-bf?
2003/11/19-20 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:11144 Activity:nil
11/19   Does anybody remember that SNL TV Funhouse cartoon where Clinton,
        Dole, and Perot are all trying to talk at the same time to Congress,
        and a giant rabbit busts down the wall and screams "EEEAAAAWWWRRRG"
        and all the Congressmen clap?  That was so cool.
        \_ no.
2003/11/19-20 [Uncategorized] UID:11145 Activity:nil
11/19   MOTD DELETER:  Why do you insist on deleting threads that aren't
        even a day old, threads which people CLEARLY want to continue
        talking about?  We know who you are, J. Please cease and desist.
            -AMG
        \_ most of us know who most of us are but when names get named they're
           wrong almost every time.  weird huh?  careful where you point that
           gun.  don't shoot the innocent.
2003/11/19-20 [Uncategorized] UID:11146 Activity:nil
11/19   http://Playboy.com needs geek manager!
        http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/sad/19592084.html
        \_ why restore this without the comments?  are you the one doing
           the hiring or something?
           \_ I thought the comments were funny.  --op
2003/11/19-20 [Health/Women] UID:11147 Activity:very high
11/19   A colleague just told me about his wife's home birth experience.
        Gave birth at home into a water tub.  No doctors present, only one
        midwife.  The umbilical cord was wrapped around the baby's neck
        twice.  But the mid-wife safely delivered the baby.  If this was a
        regular hospital doctors would be jumping in there ready to cut open
        his wife for a C-section just so that they can get their $15K bonus
        (insurance pays more for C-section, they have a financial incentive
        to do so).  Upper middle class white women with insurance get cut open
        more than uninsured minority women.  Think about that.  -old fashioned
        \_ The US has one of the lowest infant mortality rates in the world.
           I assure you, that has nothing to do with midwifery or home
           birthing techniques.  It's really nice when people can dredge up
           exceptions where everything went well -- but the price of failure
        \_ You mean upper middle class white women with insurance are getting
           goes way WAAY up when you don't have immediate access to modern
           healthcare facilities.  Personally, given a choice between
           'tradition' and 'survival of my children' there's absolutely NO
        \_ Of course, she might have failed and the baby could have died.  Also,
           which baby was this?  1st?  2nd?  7th?
           CONTEST.  And why for fuck's sake do you feel this rediculous need
           to get validation from motd?  People here believe in, you know,
           TECHNOLOGY -- so it's kind of a hard sell if you're truly not
           trolling.
           \_ actually, the US has a fairly high infant mortality rate:
                US:      6.75/1000
                UK:      5.28/1000
                Canada:  4.88/1000
                France:  4.37/1000
                Germany: 4.23/1000
                Japan:   3.3/1000
              That's better than it was 20 years ago, but it's still probably
              the highest among any of the industrialized nations.  However,
              that speaks to the lack of health care, more than the
              overapplication of it.  -tom
              \_ I love when people post numbers comparing mostly homogenous
                 countries to completely diverse countries like the US.  You
                 can make statistics say anything.
                 \_ 37% of all statistics are made up.
              \_ WTF?!  Even my country banana republic Singapore has lower
                 infant mortality rate than US.
                Singapore 3.57/1000
              \_ Cuba:  6.0/1000
                 \_ Eh, I think Cuba is much closer to 7.5 or so.
              \_ Beijing and Shanghai 5.05/1000
              \_ How do you know this has anything to to with health care?
                 \_ What else would it have to do with?  Gel cups?  -tom
                    \_ Population density, genetic homogeneity, climate, crime
                       rate, drug rate, education, etc.
                        \_ Be serious--the only common factor among the
                           other industrialized nations of the world is
                           that they all have better health care than the
                           US.  Occam's Razor.  -tom
                           \_ They also have smaller populations.  You're sure
                              you've listed the *only* thing they have in
                              common?
                              \_ yea, and another thing they have in common
                                 is that they are all not America.
           \_ Why did you write that sentence about "lowest in the world"
              when obviously it's false?
              \_ 1) Because it's not, 2) Because your reading comprehension
                 sucks.  Try again when you've grown up, grasshopper.
        \_ gee, you don't think it might just be more dangerous to deliver
           a baby with the umbilical cord wrapped around its neck?  How
           much is your baby worth to you?  -tom
        \_ Hey look!  The baby troll is back!
        \_ You mean upper middle class black women with insurance are getting
           better care?! That said, a friend delivered with a midwife (not
           at home, though) and liked it a lot. Her first baby was born at
           a hospital. Any future ones will be via midwife. --dim
        \_ Of course, she might have failed and the baby could have died.
           Also, which baby was this?  1st?  2nd?  7th?
        \_ you're choosing a dumb midwife over 200 years worth of medical
           experience? What if the baby needs surgery? What if the baby has
           an infection and anti-biotics are needed? What if the midwife
           didn't sanitize herself properly? What if something goes wrong,
           is that insured?
           \_ midwivery has been going on for much longer than 200 years.
              \_ so has accupuncture, so what?  my *vet* has a poster on the
                 wall showing accupuncture points for dog and cats.
                 \_ Most midwives are medically trained and equipped.
                    \_ yeah?  so is my vet.
                      \_ Boy, I love trolling you.  Just add a lah at the
                         end of a troll and I get an extra troll for free.
                \_ The correct spelling is "acupuncture".  Learn to spell
                   first lah.
                   \_ LAH!  You so right spelling LAH!  Showed him LAH!  HAH!
        \_ Go Baby Troll!  You are the most effective troll the motd has yet
           seen.  Go Go Go!  --baby troll #1 fan
           \_ really?  this is the first time ive seen babytroll.
              \_ babytroll is the man!  First there were all the threads about
                 "the condom broke" or "what does my gf missing a pregnancy
                 test mean."  Then there was the home birth thread, and now
                 the followup.  I especially like the buildup from the birth
                 control to the birth techniques.  Slow, subtle, yet powerful.
                 Babytroll rules!  --baby troll #1 fan.
                 \_ I think cloth diapers are better than disposable diapers
                    ......
        \_ GARRIAGE!
2003/11/19-20 [Uncategorized] UID:11148 Activity:high
11/19   Help.  Can this be solved for x? (how?)
                  x       dy
                ----- = -----
                 dx       y
        \_ Are x and y independent?
           \_ yes.
        \_ x!= 0.  When you divide out x and y, you get 1/d = d, or d=1.  Haha.
        \_ Are x and y independent?
           \_ yes.
        \_ As written, I don't think it is mathematically meaningful.
           \_ Okay, I asked the independent question and I now agree with this.
              Where did this equation come from?
        \_ It's basically a sistem of 1 equation and 2 unknowns.  As is, it
           could describe a class of vector fields.  Is there another equation
           that must also be satisfied?
        \_ xy=dxdy, you know dx, dy, and y right?
        \_ Are "dx" and "dy" differentials?
2003/11/19-20 [Uncategorized] UID:11149 Activity:kinda low
11/19   Anybody used link:stormpay.com for payment?  After PayPal cut off all the
        adult sites, StormPay seems to be taking over.  Yes I'm a loser buying
        porn.  I'm also a consumer who doesn't want to be ripped off.  Thanks.
        \_ You are SO FUCKING LAME!
        \_ Write bad checks.
2003/11/19-20 [Uncategorized] UID:11150 Activity:nil
11/19   Would somebody care to explain the "YUO" construction?  Is it just
        wannabe hacker spelling or does it reference something?
        \_ It jsut sounsd liek tehy are slopy typists
2003/11/19-20 [Recreation/Celebrity/ParisHilton] UID:11151 Activity:high
11/19   Any body seen a copy of the Paris Hilton clip? Any good?
        \_ Yes.  No.  See for your self  /csua/tmp/paris_hilton.wmv
           \_ Well, she's not a professional, but she's not bad.  She's
              got an uncanny way of centering herself in the shot, and
              she's obviously in love with herself.  Overall, though, she
              doesn't look like she'd be an attentive lover.
              \_ attentive?  you're confused. you dont need a girl like this to
                 be attentive, just receptive.  if shell take it all three
                 holes in any order then no worries.  90s guys, sheesh.
                 \_ Dude, no money shot = not attentive.
                    \_ im not talking porn.  im talking fucking her yourself
                       in response to "over all, though, she ..." from above.
                 \_ I wonder if any woman will take it oral or vaginal after
                    taking it anal.  Yucks.
        \_ Yes, and nope. It's in nightvision (ie, it's in green & black), and
           video quality is quite bad. Add to the fact she is not that hot
           to begin with, it's just another "spy cam" video that's overly
           abundant on p2p like kazaa.
           \_ the nightvision thing is weird.
        \_ http://www.hilton-paris.com ?
2003/11/19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:11152 Activity:nil
11/19   Africa hasn't come up on the motd in months.  Here's my two cents:
        http://www.kimdutoit.com/dr/essays/essays.php?id=P82
        \_ So we're supposed to read the opinion of some random white South
           African dude who starts his second paragraph with the deathless
           cliche "In Africa, life is cheap."  I think not.
           \_ Yeah, how true, he isn't a clone of you so his experiences are
              totally meaningless and should be dismissed unread.
              \_ I read his "essay."  He's a terrible writer.  This is a good
                 indication that he's a dumbass.
                 \_ Ok, so he's a dumbass.  What's your answer to any of
                    Africa's many problems?
                    \_ I'm not sure.  I don't pretend to be an expert, unlike
                       the writer of said crappy essay.
        \_ From The Onion:
         African Leaders Still Treating Clinton As President
         NAIROBI, KENYAKenyan President Emilio Mwai Kibaki said Monday that his
         country continues to enjoy excellent diplomatic relations with former
         U.S. President Bill Clinton. "I have always enjoyed working with Mr.
         Clinton, and the recent international Agricultural Development
         Conference was no exception," Kibaki said. "And I know that
         [Democratic Republic of the Congo President] Joseph Kabila enjoyed
         meeting with him to secure an American commitment for humanitarian
         aid, as well." Kibaki said that none of the leaders have anything in
         particular against President Bush, but added that all the same, they'd
         rather stick with Clinton.
2003/11/19 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Computer/Rants, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:29643 Activity:nil
11/19   China to attack Taiwan:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031119/ap_on_re_as/china_taiwan_5
2003/11/19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:29644 Activity:nil
11/19   Someone is trolling very hard right now, and deleting all responses to
        trolls.  What's the point of trolling if you delete the responses,
        Troll?
        \_ This is what happens when people refuse to use motdedit -ausman
2003/11/19 [Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:29645 Activity:nil
11/19   [ Idiotic Africa post is removed if you can't stand anyone critizing
          your submoronic link. ]
        \_ fuck you, asshole.  i didn't delete anyone's anything.  fuck fuck
           fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck you you fucking fuck fucking asshole!
           \_ Wow, its Potty Mouth Boy!  Are you and Toilet Head Man going
              to come over and use your Special Powers to kick my ass?
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