10/16   Play games while peeing.
        http://web.media.mit.edu/~hayes/mas863/urinecontrol.html
        \_ typical idiotic useless media lab product.  if they just designed
           a loud buzzer that would sound off when some asshole pees on
           the floor, it would cost less, and actaually do something usefull.
           but, of course, if it was usefull, the media lab wouldn't care
           about it.
           \_ No stranger than etching a fly in the bottom of the urinal.
              See, some people appreciate creativity.
              \_ I just tried it. It's fun.
           \_ Dude, get over it.
        \_ While I think it's really lame technically and socially, from
           the perspective of exposure and media coverage, it is a BRILLIANT
           idea. MIT realizes that technology is only a small part of what
           make a product or a company or a school great, and they do a
           really good job reaching out to the public. I just wish that
           Berkeley could be more detail oriented and be as good as MIT.
            \_ Berkeley is above such things.  If you were concerned with the
               real world you wouldn't have attended Berkeley.  Or at least
               that's what my favorite college drop out csua member would say.

10/15   What the FUCK is wrong with these people?
        The "Jews control the world" notion is supposed to be limited
        to dumbshits. -nerdy asian
                 \_ you mean shiites?
        http://csua.org/u/4pw
        \_ It is, what's your point?
        \_ agree, Jews controls US foreign policy, thus, in effect,
           control the world.
           \_ do you also believe there's a conspircy among long dicked black
              men to rape your white wife?  back to the 50's, you neanderthal.
        \_ may be this would make you feel better, Malaysia has been
           racially discrimiting ethnic Chinese for DECADES.  So, Jewish
           boys and girls, you are not alone.
           \_ no, it doesn't.  as a jew I don't think its ok that the malai
              or anyone else are discriminating against more than just my
              people.  i feel as badly for the kurds, for example, as i do for
              my own.  the irish.  the tibetans.  what remains of the american
              indians and those still there in southern mexico.  and anyone
              else you can think of who is abused for nothing more than being
              different from the majority population.  i hope you thought you
              were being funny (you weren't) because the alternative is truly
              sickening.
              \_ It's not that simple. They are not "abused" just for being
                 "different from the majority". The chinese and jews control
                 much of the economic power and make up the business class.
                 There's much more to this than what the Kurds/Irish/Tibetans
                 have going on.
                 \_ Yet another racist canard.  Please post your url that
                    proves the banks, businesses, etc are owned by those evil
                    zoggian jews and their wicked chinese business associates.
                    The very thought itself is standard racist drivel meant to
                    create an "us vs them" dichotomy so it's easier for the
                    weak minded to hate people they've never met.  Again, I
                    would ask you to keep your racist fears of The Other off
                    the motd.  I doubt anyone wants to hear your concerns about
                    black men with large dicks raping your wife, the vietnamese
                    family across the street dognapping your pet for a meal or
                    how you *know* that arab taxi driver went the wrong way
                    intentionally so he could fuck you for an extra buck.

10/15   http://radix.cryptio.net/~emechler/engineer.jpg
        Truer words were never spoken....

10/15   Who is psb, danh, and aspolito? Someone please describe each person
        in one sentence or less. Thanks.                        -newbie
        \_ psb: cross Sideshow Bob from the Simpsons with one of the alien
           goths from Dark City.
           danh: a magnet for chaos, knows where all the weirdest shows are
           and has a terrible relationship with money.  The CSUA mascot, he
           was once the entire politburo because everyone else resigned.
           aspolito:  the reason your mom didn't want you to go to Berkeley.
           Like one of the Cenobites from Hellraiser.  Except with scat porn.
        \_ newbie, contact me and I will show you The Way.    -brain
        \_ They are all great guys, super smart and nice and handsome.
           \_ except danh
           \_ So, why didn't any one of them run for Governor?
              \_ They knew they couldn't compete with Georgy
        \_ Believe everything you read on the motd.  Everything you read
           on the motd is guaranteed by the University of California and the
           Regents to be The Truth.
        \_ It is not important that psb.  Rather, it is crucial that !psb.

10/15   [troll deleted]
        \_ Fuck you.  You just dont dare to face your own history.
        \_ anything that you don't like is considered "troll."
           Freedom of speech is protected as long as [censored].
           \_ I don't agree with you.
        \_ troll restored. see above thread.
           Freedom of speech is protected as long as they are agree with you.

10/15   rip bluetoosh
        http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20031013S0040

10/15   Syria here we come!
        http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031015/325/eb82o.html
        \_ finally
        \_ US from the East, Israel from the South, bye bye Syria
        \_ I think we should attack the mad mullahs of Iran first.
        \_ I say we start 2nd Korean War before Iran.  This is good shit,
           we are conquering barbarians everywhere.
        \_ Let's follow up with Saudi Arabia and then maybe Kazakhstan or sth.
           \_ then Yemen, Indonesia...
           \_ You guys aren't even trolls.  You're just dumbasses.
        \_ It's like Maddie said at her confirmation hearing regarding the
           use of the military.  She said the reason to have a military is
           to use it.  She's an ugly old crone but she's a neocon at heart.
        \_ Ok, let's get this in order:
           1. Korea
           2. Syria
           3. Iran
           4. Malaysia (damned racists!)
           5. China (Star Wars Episode V)

10/15   We are taking suggestions as to what may have led aspolito to
        to go completely apeshit and avoid all his friends.  person with
        best suggestion wins dinner with him.
        \_ Missed his period?
        \_ lost job, lost girlfriend, dog ran away?
                          \_ unlikely
                                \_ he definitely had a girlfriend at one point
                                   \_ I find that frightening.
        \_ I heard he and PSB are on a church retreat in South Korea,
           learning how to serve God.
        \_ crack?
        \_ Someone said he had been without sleep for a couple of days.
           \_ sounds like crack to me....
        \_ maybe he read that article about the Golden Gate Bridge
        \_ How about danh, being danh, was totally unbearable to aspo,
           annoyed aspo somehow beyond endurance, and got dumped in Seattle
           for being intolerable?  I think that's more likely than anything
           else.
           \_ i'm really not that annoying.  really. - danh
              \_ Dan, are you really telling us that you did *nothing* to
                 provoke aspo's behavior?  We've only heard your side of it
                 after all.
              \_ nah, nah.  not annoying in a general sense, just...
                 annoying *to aspo*.  dig?
           \_ if that's the case, then everyone is unbearable to aspo.
        \_ Frankly, who cares?  It's just another childish acting out phase.
           Only one of many he's had over the years.  Or just the same one
           going on for a really long time depending on how you look at it.

10/15   \_ http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Space/2003/10/15/226775-ap.html
           Hahaha, conservatives LOSE again.
            \_ "After five years of virtual house arrest and secret
                negotiations between Washington and Beijing, Tsien left for
                his homeland in 1955."
                \_ the negotiation was for downed US pilots from the
                   Korean War.
           \_ Yes, because "the conservatives" live in a different world so
              when something bad happens to this country it only hurts them,
              but the american hating crowd has somehow thing crow about.
              Sheesh, whatever.  With or without this guy they'd be in the
              same place.  They'd just have stolen whatever this guy didn't
              learn about the V2 from von Braun.
              \_ Unfortunately, unlike the neanderthals, the "conservatives" still
                 live among us, and their stupidity continues to cost us
                 dearly.  I forgot, what's the name of the idiot whose name
                 is synonymous to the 1950s political witch hunt in the US?
                 \_ Joseph McCarthy.  Ann Coulter idolizes him.  Seriously.

10/16   Has anyone of you made it through a CS course by watching the recorded
        lecture webcasts at <DEAD>webcat.berkeley.edu<DEAD> instead of attending the
        lectures. Is that doable? I am thinking of taking CS61B next semester
        but its lecture time conflicts with some other class that I really
        must take next semester too.
        \_ what happens if the midterms/final are at the same time?
           \_ The finals don't conflict. I hope the midterms don't conflict.
              If they do, is likely one of the two classes will have an
              alternative midterm for people with scheduling conflicts.
              \_ what's the other class? cs profs usually won't give midterms
                 on alternative dates. humanities *might*, but also not likely.
        \_ Why are undergrads posting on the MOTD?
           \_ We still allow that.
           \_ Because CSAA makes us sound like a 12-step program.
           \_ Look buddy, you're way off topic here.  This is not the
              proper forum to discuss CS or undergraduate related issues.
              \_ aw, give him the benefit of the doubt.  maybe he's a bitter,
                 laid off guy in his 40's who's going back to school.
        \_ If hte lecture times conflict, does Tele-BEARS (or whatever on-line
        \_ If the lecture times conflict, does Tele-BEARS (or whatever on-line
           interface these days) let you sign up at all?

10/16   http://www.terrisfight.org/lead.htm
        Feeding tube removed from comatose woman at center of
        long-running legal battle
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1001737/posts
        \_ These are always tough fights and really punishing on everyone in
           the family but the courts almost always decide in favor of death.
           Whether this is a good or bad thing is entirely subjective.  I'm
           not sure what I'd want done for/to me if I was in that situation.
           I'm sure as hell not in a position to say so for anyone else.

10/16   "Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he "didn't want to see any
        stories" quoting unnamed administration officials in the media anymore,
        and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a senior
        administration official who asked that his name not be used."
        http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/nation/7023679.htm
        \_ See?  Bush is an effective leader.
           \_ Yeah, you can do better.
              \_ That's quite a vote of confidence! "G. W. Bush: Better
                 Than Some Guy on the Internet".  And I think just about
                 any idiot here could manage to get through 4 years without
                 turning an enormous budget surplus into a deficit, selling
                 out the environment, throwing away the last bit of American
                 moral authority, destroying civil liberties, and enforcing a
                 no-tell secrecy policy more ridiculous than Nixon's.  Bush is
                 is incompetent, naturally incompetent; but it must have taken
                 him a great deal of pains to become what we now see him.
                 Such an excess of stupidity, sir, is not in Nature.
                 \_ Yeah, he's so stupid.  I agree.  It would have been so much
                    better under Gore.  The economy which was already tanking
                    before the election would have been stellar, the terrorists
                    would have loved us and had us over for tea and the whole
                    world would join in mass group hugs televised from the UN.

10/16   That whore Coulter is at it again!
        http://www.townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/ac20031016.shtml
        \_ I hate Coulter, and think she is an evil stupid bitch.
           That being said, the above column is the first thing
           I've ever read by Coulter that I agree with 100%.
           \_ I love Coulter, (though she has said some evil and bitchy
              things) and this is one of many(most?) columns that i don't
              agree with 100%.  1.)  liberals rarely claim to have
              no morals.   They are easy targets for the label
              "hypocrite"  see, fore example The ex-governor and all the
               liberals that hoped to replace him.
               2.)  She quotes Rush then says "[What should he have said?
                   that drugs are GOOD?]"  NO, the part that is
                   hypocritical is the part about SENDING THEM "up the
                   river" You don't have to be pro-drug use to support
                   decriminilization.  Jeesh.
               Now that being said, the general point that liberals cream
               their pants every time a con. gets caught moraly weak and
               that it's not nec. wrong to espouse strengths that you
               yourself may not have, are all good.   And there's no doubt
               that Evan Thomas (like most writers for Newsweek - or Time)
               is a complete moron and hack. but overall it is not one of
               her best articles.  -phuqm
               \_ The problems come in when those pundits use there moral
                  base to launch attacks at opponents (e.g. draft dodging
                  pot smoker hippy clinton), and then showing themselves
                  as hypocrits.  These people must be held responsible on
                  both sides.
           \_ She has absolutely no point.  Hypocrisy _is_ the great sin
              in politics.  If a majority elects you in, knowing your foibles,
              you have a true mandate.  If you don't practice what you preach,
              I really don't want to hear your damn preaching. --scotsman
           \_ Is that really her picture?  Looks fairly hot!
              \_ she is fairly hot. -phuqm.
                 \_ http://www.anncoulter.org/images/webimages/annblack.jpg
                 \_ Yeah, always thought that was the only reason she really
                    got anywhere - all the ultra right wing sexually frustrated
                    dudes get all worked up imagining themselves giving it to
                    her from behind.  "Oh!  Oh!  Your cock is so big and
                    tax-free!"
                 \_ http://www.architectureink.com/tirade/coulter.htm
                    \_ Um.  Wow.
              \_ It's a poor b/w picture. I remember her showing
                 skin once on Politically Incorrect
                 \_ = good or bad? hot or not?
        \_ page doesn't load.
        \_ Yes, Coulter is hot but you know she only gets air time because
           she's hot.  She has nothing to say.  We should ignore her.  We all
           know she's just another Eeevvvviiill BushCo Conspirator!!!
           \_ Ann Coulter needs to eat a sandwich. She looks like a crack
              junky to me.

10/16   I'm not sure if the aids infected guy is worse or his wife:
        http://www.thisislondon.com/til/jsp/modules/Article/print.jsp?itemId=7172821

10/16   Coca Culture: One more reason why we'll never win the drug war
        Note: This was written by a Quechua coca farmer in Bolivia.
        http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/15/opinion/15ZURI.html

10/15  I am so glad that we complete our ethnic cleansing to  all the
       Indian tribes before they learn how to make bombs and resist our
       occupation.  God has indeed blessed America.
       \_ Do you have a point?  Some of us Indian tribal types still exist
          and don't want to be used as your political point for some other
          problem you've got.  Thanks.
          \_ I think you should work on getting a nuclear program...
             \_ We're everywhere.

10/16   Is there a reason why Tiger Woods who is in his 20s is in a Buick
        commercial, a car company that usually appeals to people who are
        ummmmm, significantly older than 20s?
        \_ $$$ ?
        \_ Golf appeals to older people?
        \_ It's not your Father's Buick anymore?
           \_ That it's your father's car is exactly the reason they want to
              have someone like Tiger Woods in Buick commercials.
           \_ Agreed, ever since Buick started making SUVs.  Same for Cadellac,
              Oldsmobile and Mercedes.

10/16   Are there any p2p applications that use port 80?
        \_ I know there're some that use HTTP, though I'm not sure which ones

10/16   When you buy a song from iTune, what format, and bit rate are
        the delivered version?? thx.
        \_ http://www.apple.com/itunes/overview.html
           About the middle of the page, under "AAC: MPEG-4 audio"
           \_ i've read it, it says nothing about the technical aspect,
              what bitrate? are there different versions of the song? one
              with higher bitrate?
              \_ the implication from the page is 128 kbps.
        \_ on a related topic: are there any iTunes-wanna-bes that are
           selling songs in some DRM-less format?
           \_ http://eMusic.com (MP3 format), monthly fee (not per song).

10/16   Let's go Red Sox!!!
        \_ Yan-kees su-uck!!! (cmon, motd censor, nobody likes the Yankees)
           \_ For this round alone, I do. -- bitter A's fan
              \_ Man, I feel you, but I still hate the Yankees more.
                 \_ NOW IT'S TIME FOR "GO MARLINS!!!!!!" -- bitter A's fan

10/16   Oh my god is it true aspolito is filming Bumfight videos in
        Las Vegas?

10/16   Why are conservatives so up in arms about illegal immigrants when
        they're obviously so good for business?  You don't see them picketing,
        complaining about better wages or benefits, or making any effort
        to be a squeaky wheel at all.  We've already seen that profits
        trump patriotism (Halliburton under Cheney doing big business in
        Iraq during the sanctions, Reagan selling missiles to Iran for
        profit, etc).
        \_ When did you stop beating your wife?
        \_ The same reason Strom Thurmond switched parties when the
           Republicans became the new home of southern racists.  They
           blather about morality, but if you look at their other positions
           racism is the only explanation for the American "conservative"
           stance on immigration.
        \_ (a) it's not obvious that they are, when costs to the government
               are taken into account, and
           (b) there is a moral argument to be made which is that illegals
               are breaking the law to be here, and should be deported on those
               grounds alone.
           \_ a law that is meagerly enforced, and arguably ineffective because
              its aim is wrong.  If they targeted the demand instead of the
              supply, they'd go further in curbing "illegal" immigration
        \_ Often when people get up in arms about an issue it's because
           they're upset with other things in life and want to feel the
           pleasure of righteous anger by loudly decrying another group.
           This is true of both liberals and conservatives.  -emin
        \_ If someone is willing to answer the question:
           How many people should live in the United States?
           Then all these issues are easily resolved.  -ax
           \_ that question has no answer.
                \_ Or What should the population limit of the US be? -ax
                   \_ the same question, the same lack of answer.  It's
                      a value judgement.
                   \_ And if the answer is the set of Americans that
                      include you minus one, how are we going to settle
                      this?  Fisticuffs at twenty paces?
                   \_ The point is that all this discussion is based on
                      the idea that the US grows without bound.  If you
                      set limits, you can set rates of immigration, etc. -ax
                      \_ If you set limits, you must supply reasons for
                         those limits.  When you do that, you risk sounding
                         like the previous waves of immigrants who were all
                         for their own immigration but wanted the doors shut
                         behind them.
                         \_ I think it is trivial to prove that we should
                            have limits. No one would like the country to
                            have a population of zero. No one would like the
                            country to have a population of 172 Trillion.
                            I think it is obvious that there is some "ideal"
                            zone somewhere between those two and it is the
                            job of the political process to decide where
                            than number is. Personally, I think the United
                            States and California would be better off with
                            fewer people than we have now.
           \_ You seem to imply that there's no distinction possible between
              legal, authorized immigration and illegals.
           \_ Agreed with above.  Even if there is no bound on the number
              of people who can live here, we, as a country, still reserve
              the right to choose who comes here, how they do it, and what
              conditions they should satisfy.
              \_ What is the basis of this "right"?
                 \_ What is the basis of all rights?  This is a good question
                    but one which can be asked with equal force of illegal
                    immigrants themselves: "What is the basis of their right
                    to come to a country unlawfully?" -- ilyas
                     \_ One might suggest that they were endowed by their
                        creator with the right to pursue happiness.  And while
                        I don't agree, I definitely think that if one is going
                        to restrict anothers free movement, it definitely falls
                        on the restrictor to justify his right in doing so and
                        not the other way around.  -phuqm
                        \_ The right to pursue happiness does not allow one
                           to do so at the expense of someone else.  Again,
                           the issue boils down to the effects of illegal
                           immigration on the host country.  I take an even
                           stronger position -- even if illegal immigration
                           has an overall positive effect on a country, the
                           country still need not allow it.  The same principle
                           applies to my house.  I may benefit from having
                           someone over for dinner, but I may not want company
                           that day, and it's my right to refuse. -- ilyas
                           \_ And it goes deeper than this.  Was it easier
                              at one point to get into the US?  If so, what
                              justifies making it harder now?  And if it's
                              unfairly more difficult now, migrating illegally
                              becomes a noble and just activity.
                              \_ It was also easier to break into someone's
                                 house because locks weren't as good, and doors
                                 weren't as sturdy.  It seems perfectly
                                 justifiable to make breakins harder.
                                 \_ Breakins, yes, but why make it harder to
                                    immigrate legally?
                                    \_ Was legal immigration made more
                                       stringent?
                                       \_ That's the question, innit?
                                    \_ Perhaps because the country is getting
                                       over crowded.
                                       \_ Bzzt.  There's still plenty of room
                                          in the cities and the countryside.
                                          \_ No there isn't. Not given the
                                             current infrastructure. There is
                                             room in some rural areas, but no
                                             immigrants ever go there because
                                             there is no work.
                          \_ In the end, the fact is that the citizens of this
                             country are here now. We may not "deserve" to be
                             here any more than illegal immigrants however we
                             are perfectly justified in protecting our own.
                             If I buy land I am not forced to sell off bits of
                             it to newcomers. Compared to old times, there is
                             no longer wide open lands to settle (at least not
                             where anybody actually wants to or does go). They
                             pack into increasingly poor living areas and it's
                             within our rights to regulate that process and do
                             it under our terms. There are far more people in
                             the world than we need. That's why we have to work
                             our asses off to even afford a piece of land to
                             live on.
        \_ I found this link interesting:
           http://207.188.212.158/Research/Research.cfm?ID=1820&c=2
             -- ilyas