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| 2003/10/4-5 [Uncategorized] UID:10460 Activity:nil 50%like:11536 |
10/3 Roy mauled by Tiger (Siegfried and Roy):
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/10/03/state0030EDT0231.DTL
\_ finally, some small measure of justice for the animals.
\_ how mean.
\_ mean? you're talking about what they do to the animals,
right? taking wild creatures that belong far far away from
people and making them dance around on stage for the
audience's delight every night and then into a tiny cage
until the next show until they're too old to move and die?
*that* is mean. getting your throat ripped out by such a
creature is the risk he chose. the tiger ripping out his
throat is simple natural justice. i'll bet you think its
cool to see the animals at ringling brother's, too, huh? |
| 2003/10/4-5 [Health] UID:10461 Activity:nil |
10/3 So I'm a big time radio personality making $500 million on my current
contract and I buy drugs from my maid instead of doctor shopping until
I get the one that will prescribe what I want? My idiotic white trash
mother in law manages to get all the drugs she can stand (or pass out
on) through doctors, I think Rush could, too.
\_ A. You don't know the facts of the case. So you have no idea
on what is going on.
B. It's obvious you are white trash.
\_ BWAHAHHAHAHA!!! If you brought hitler into this you'd have a
perfecta!! I read the stuff on the smoking gun which is more
than you have. I love (B). That just fucking kills me. I'm
totally fucking rolling! Thanks for making my day. You rock! |
| 2003/10/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:10462 Activity:nil |
10/3 Conservatives: read your hero's speech:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031003-4.html
Can you honestly respect that? He talks as if his audience is a bunch
of children. The guy is just bizarre.
\_ I agree that his public speaking is insultingly stupid. Just
remember: Bush is inarticulate, but he is not stupid -- he
deliberately plays to the dumber segment of the public's desire
not to feel inadequate. Welcome to anti-intellectualism in
today's America.
\_ you think he's smart enough to have a strategy like that?
i think that appearances aren't deceiving in this case. it's
easier for him to just act like himself than act like a smart
person playing dumb, even if the net effect is about the same.
\_ I don't believe he is capable of actually being intellectual,
at least he's never demonstrated any high-level abilities. But
he does have a kind of instinctive cunning, and people skills.
\_ I'm not sure he can really help it. How does a child talk to other
children? Anyway, I think he's more stupid than bizarre.
\_ "There is no air raids on Air Force One" this guy went to fucking
Harvard? Sheeet.
\_ No, he went to Yale, get it right. Harvard >>> Yale. For many
reasons.
\_ and harvard. for MBA at least. note that Dean, Kerry,
and Liebermann also went to Yale.
\_ But they're all leftist heros so that's good!
\_ Dean and Kerry going to Yale doesn't invalidate the
fact that Harvard >>> Yale. And who the fuck cares
about Liebermann anyway?
\_ Yeah, he's just some Jew, right? Albeit, a Jew with
about the same poll numbers as Dean and twice Kerry,
but a Jew just the same.
\_ He has politically outmaneuvered the Dems and other detractors
repeatedly.
If he wasn't so effective you would not be having such a hissy
fit. He's ethical (for a politician), has a vision and principles.
He understands he's not an intellectual. He has
leadership qualities, is not an egomaniac like Clinton / Gore,
and is comfotable enough to delegate to people more capable to
him. His foreign policy has been impecabble, too bad he's
such a lib demestically. We have had massive increases in
government spending - isn't this what you want??? You libs should
be full of glee with the increases in gov't.
\_ Unfortunately, this is too true. His domestic policy sucks. His
very first act was to raise *every* budget in the entire federal
government by 4%, minimum. Some went higher. We should be
slashing stupid wasteful governmeny budgets, not fluffing them
more. And his open border policy is sheer insanity. I voted
for him as a lesser-devil issue. When soccer moms start getting
killed on the highways by illegals with valid driver's licenses
then maybe they'll clue in.
\_ why do you like him then? also it's more than not being intellec-
tual. It's like he has trouble speaking and keeping basic trains
of thought.
\_ you need to be both incredibly naive and/or incredibly
selfish to consider bush' entire gamut of foreign policy
decisions as anything but knee-jerk, near-sited and
destructive. as for his domestic policy, there isn't any
money to even really talk about increased government.
unless of course you mean national security and the
military. you should hang out by union square in nyc
sometime and watch the national debt grow.
\_ he's already increased federal government. how much
bigger should it get? you want socialism or communism?
i'll bet you're a socialist but you're also opposed to
all the Big Brother stuff that comes with a big gov'nt.
\_ Right, because we all know that people can be easily
classified in a mere handful of big economic theories.
Grow up and realize that it's possible to want huge
sweeping competent and efficient government programs
_and_ decent privacy rights/civil liberties.
\_ Huge, sweeping, competent, efficient, non-Big
Brother government? You can want that, sure. I can
want to win the powerball super lottery every month
also. Our wants have nothing to do with the way the
world really is, but I do admire your lust for
paradox. Big, efficient, competent government. I'm
guessing you're in school and never had a job at a
place with more than 2 dozen people.
\_ Oh yeah? Give an example of an efficient govt.
program. (IRS doesn't count)
\_ http://www.nist.gov
i know several people who work at NIST and
i think the taxpayer definitely gets his/her
money's worth there.
btw, i didn't read the rest of the thread, just
saw your question and answered it.
\_ You think NIST is big? It's a penny ante
dinky little half baked government funded
hangout for nerds with slide rules. I'm
glad to hear they're really efficient nerds. |
| 2003/10/4-5 [Uncategorized] UID:10463 Activity:nil |
10/3 For the truely lazy geeks: http://daimaoh.kir.jp/ho/menssom.htm \_ Truly lazy geeks don't read random links from japan that don't include a reason why we should read them. |
| 2003/10/4-5 [Politics/Foreign/Canada] UID:10464 Activity:nil |
10/3 Greasy Canadians exempt from border controls:
http://csua.org/u/4m6
\_ i know a canadian who got banned from crossing the border for
being a dick to the border guards. yes, he's a dumbass.
\_ Only the greasy ones? Is there a standard for greasiness? Maybe
we should set up a government commission to study the issue? |
| 2003/10/4-5 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:10465 Activity:low |
10/3 bios-ain't-done-till-linux-won't-run
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/developer/0,39020387,39116902,00.htm
\_ Time to adopt OpenBIOS
\_ time for osX
\_ what was the line from starwars: "The tighter they grasp,
the more of them will slip through their fingers.." ?
\_ Welcome to reality. That was a movie, this is life.
\_ Get over it. Compaq SmartStart bios for Proliant servers
has been WinNT-based forever now. If that's not enough,
for once I'd suggest a big 'hooray' for the ChiCom
electronics industry as a balancing factor. Combine
(http://tinyurl.com/ppo7 - propaganda) with Red Flag Linux
and you may realize that 1 billion screaming Chinese aren't
going to be voluntarily shoehorned into having their pirate
DVD PC game stations running Windows 2010. -John
[formatd was here even though John should be able to self-f]
\_ John apologizes, John was on way-too-wide xterm.
John promises introspection and betterment in
future. Please forgive John. And apparently URL
is dead too--was meant to refer to Dragon CPU.
future. Please forgive John.
\_ fuck you, John. Number of Communist Party member in
China is roughly around 100k. Consider we got
1.3+ billion people, it is so fucking unfair to label
us that way. Years of Berkeley, you haven't learn
how to seperate regime and the nation and its people.
you white imperalist. Yes, you are. Based upon
your logic, you are responsible for Iraq and Afghan,
especially consider the regime is elected by people
\_ Pardon me, but what the fuck are you talking about?
Dragon CPU development is Chinese government
sponsored, and the domestic electronics industry
there is "strongly motivated" by various govt. trade
bodies to compete with US commercial entities. Red
Flag Linux is openly sponsored by the Chinese
post office and other (government) organizations.
Chinese government is, well, communist, or at least
they say so. But if that pisses you off, I strongly
apologize and take back my assertion that the
Chinese (1 billion of them, and please _do_ point out
where I said they're all commies) are smart enough
to use technical alternatives to what M$ wants them
to buy. And I should add that after years of
Berkeley, I have a very solid understanding of
politics, sociology and economics, and in contrast
to you, a GRASP OF HOW TO WRITE A PROPER ENGLISH
SENTENCE, YOU BLITHERING FUCKWIT. Eat a turd and
wither, ChiCom troll. -John
\_ um, I think you've been trolled, John.
No one on the motd really writes English as
badly as the above poster claims to.
\_ law of averages. Idiots do exist.
like you
\_ yeah and uhm yeah so take that and that and that and
you're a big bad white cracker racist and china isnt
communist and john is evil whitey imperialist racist
and cant format and has big bad whitey xterm format
problem in afghan and iraq and Hey, did anyone see
future. Please forgive John.
my bag? I think I left it on the boat! |
| 2003/10/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:10466 Activity:nil |
10/3 Does anyone have a good link to a discussion of the pros & cons
of giving drivers licenses to illegal immigrants? I didn't hear
about it until a couple of days ago, and it seems rather far-
fetched, but someone must have presented some good reason or
it wouldn't have happened, right?
\_ RANT! GROWL! MESSICANS! GRRR!!!!! DAVIS!!!!! ARNOLD!!!!
\_ pro: they're driving anyway and we need slave labor
\_ That's it?!?!? If they're too broke to pay for insurance,
what's the point of giving the license that will let them
get insurance? And if they *do* get driver's licenses,
what prevents the INS from tracking them and deporting
them if they are illegal immigrants?
\_ The INS? Nothing. You forgot about the importance of
slave labor.
\_ the INS bit is easy, you don't let the INS use the DL
database. Other pros: if you make laws so that people
stopped without a DL get checked in the INS system and
deported, while poeple with DLs just get a speeding
ticket, suddenly there are going to be a lot less
unliscensed, uninsured drivers out there.
\_ Like that would happen. They already don't deport illegals
who have "established connections to the community". They
just let em walk. Almost no one gets deported. There's
never been a serious effort to stop the influx or kick out
those who are found when anyone bothers looking. This is
a load of bullshit.
con: they shouldn't even be here, they're going to use it to vote,
it can be used to elevate an illegal to the same level of
concern in the government's eyes as tax paying citizens.
\_ DL alone is not a valid enough id to register to vote.
\_ Motor Voter! Howdy! That's all it takes. Fact. I'm
a citizen voting every election for 15+ years and I've
never showed anyone any real proof of anything to vote.
\_ Anything which adds drivers to the road is bad. I don't care
who they are. More drivers means more idiots on the roads
and more pollution. We should raise the driving age to 18 to
balance things out.
\_ Under 18 drivers aren't a significant percentage of drivers out
there. Furthermore, even if we increase age limit to 18, they're
still going to be inexperienced drivers on the road. Yeah, they
will be more mature, but still not confident on the road.
\_ let's change the minimum driving age to 80, video tape it,
sell the tapes, and use the revenue to pay for good public
transit in california. this will also save money on health
care for the elderly.
\_ public transit can never entirely replace private transit.
it cant *never* be that flexible due to it's very nature.
\_ try visiting tokyo sometime.
\_ the rest of the world isn't built like tokyo. try
visiting *any* large American city. Actually, try
visiting just small city, town, village, or farm in
the US. Hint: this is a bigger place than tokyo and
Not really. Ever seen Tokyo? -John _/
frankly who the hell wants to live like the japanese
do? I'm a man, not a sardine.
\_ what's really amazing is that i got three serious
replies from my "let the elderly kill eachother
on the roads" troll.
\_ not really. that part was ignored but you
can give yourself a few troll points if you
like. its not like anyone keeps track or
cares. |
| 2003/10/4-5 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:10467 Activity:nil |
10/3 I'm a linux person, and my work is requiring me to learn Solaris,
which I have very little experience with. Any good books that
you guys can recommend or courses offered in Bay Area? I need
to learn Solaris 2.6 and 9, with emphasis on 9. Thanks.
\_ planning skills are easily transferable. hardware references can
be found online. I'd suggest picking up O'Reilly Essential System
Administration. Lots of translation tables between "the Linux Way",
"The Solaris Way", and so on.. BSD's, AIX, HP even. It's all the
same beast. Also, there's plenty of solaris fu on wall. throw out
a question sometime.
\_ They're all the same for the most part. Are you just being a low
level admin or they want you to run a veritas clustered database
on multiple E10Ks? |
| 2003/10/4-5 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:10468 Activity:kinda low |
10/4 Interesting research regarding world petroleum supplies
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/environment/story.jsp?story=449053
Whoever comes up with the best viable alternative to fossil fuels
is going to be a gazillionaire, though I'm really curious (and a little
wary) of what the "end of oil" might do to capitalism in general.
\_ I'll read your link later but you understand various 'experts' have
been predicting the "end of oil in the next 10 years" for at least
30 years now, right? As oil becomes harder to find and get out of
the ground, it becomes more expensive and more money will be put
into developing and subsidising other sources of energy (which *all*
have their own problems) and life will go on.
\_ Maybe you should read the link before you say anything - its about
new estimates of the oil supply being far smaller than thought.
If the oil starts running out in 2010, as they predict, the
economic effects could be catastrophic.
\_ That's what I'm saying. "Experts" have been saying exactly
that since the early 70's. What's so different about this
set of experts? Anyway, what I said still stands: if oil
starts getting harder to pump in 2010, other energy sources
will look more viable, tech advances and government subsidies
will lower rates to economically viable ranges for the
consumer and businesses and we'll go on. It doesn't matter
what kind of power plant provides energy for your wall socket
and hardly matters what powers your car. Changing cars to
another fuel source will be the hardest part but it's not
impossible or even close. Anyway, we'll just be swapping the
problems oil causes for other problems from the replacement
energy source.
\_ I don't think we'll need to pave a sun-rich country
to prove worldwide dominance
\_ No, you'd just poison the rest of the planet with toxic
sludge to produce all those solar panels. *EVERY* source
of energy we currently have has problems. Solar isn't
some magical clean source of free power.
\_ Yes, they predicted that oil production would peak in 2010.
Turned out that it peaked in like 2001 and has been going down
since. Maybe it's just a local maxima, but add to that the new
since. Maybe it's just a local minima, but add to that the new
demand from China where people are starting to buy cars, and I
am going to invest in China/oil/gas related stocks like IVAN.
Instead of worrying about things I can't control, I am going
to profit from it. This is kind of like the Economist repeatedly
predicting the burst of the tech bubble in 1998 and 1999. They
sucked at the timing, but eventually it did happen, and no, I
don't think the world is ready for the oil supply drying up. There
sucked at the timing, but eventually it did happen, and no, I
don't think the world is ready for it. They will be a worldwide
depression.
will be a worldwide depression.
\_ Uhhh, timing is everything moron. Everybody knew that the tech
bubble would burst, like everyone knows that petrol supplies
will dry up. The important question is when.
\_ Easier said than done. I would rather be like Warren
Buffet getting out of tech early even though it may
mean giving up gains one may attain if one can time
perfectly. Perfect timing is usually luck. Same
principles apply to oil.
\_ A. There's no such thing as "perfect timing."
B. Timing is something that can be learned. If
that wasn't the case, then all traders would
trade equally good/bad over time. This is not
the case. There are certain individuals who
have winning strategies. Do they always time
correctly? No. But they win often enough to
know how to play the averages effectively.
\_ A. In investing, I prefer the Warren Buffet /
Peter Lynch way. I find myself very good
and its potentially severe consequences,
I would rather not leave it up to "traders"
and "timers".
mean giving up gains one may attain if one can time
perfectly. Perfect timing is usually luck. Same
principles apply to oil.
at "trading" with hold times averaging around
1-month durations, but it takes a lot of work
and time.
B. In dealing with future oil shortage
problems and its potentially severe
consequences, I would rather not leave it
up to "traders" and "timers".
and its potentially severe consequences,
I would rather not leave it up to "traders"
and "timers". |
| 2003/10/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:10469 Activity:nil |
104/ http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/6929308.htm Because we know Americans aren't willing to do this sort of work, we _need_ illegals or nothing would ever get done. \_ definitely. I agree. - someone who thinks Rush is being unfairly mischaracterized. |
| 2003/10/4-5 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:10470 Activity:nil |
10/4 Heh, turns out those Arnie Hitler quotes were made up by his
ex-business partner who was trying to sell a book. Time for lots of
apologies all around on that one. I don't expect to see any from
anyone in the media even after above the fold giant headlines. Maybe
it'll be a page 9 blurb to correct their misunderstanding.
\_ Even less reported was when Arnie broke up a neo-nazi gathering
when he was 16 years old.
\_ aren't these people legally culpable? also, is it legal to print a
front page story claiming someone is a Nazi and then putting a tiny
"correction" buried in the next issue?
\_ There are some things in life a lawsuit can't correct. The
election will be long over and any damage done long before they
get to court. Anyway, I doubt he'd win anyway. We have a very
free press in this country.
\_ url?
\_ Page 9 of the entertainment section of the LA Times this morning. |
| 2003/10/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10471 Activity:nil |
10/4 I love motdlogic. If someone suggested here that a bass guitar player
would make an excellent software engineer without any training, you'd
laugh him off the forum. But a bad action movie actor to run the
the world's fifth largest economy? That's a-ok!
\_ Yeah, I've reconsidered and now Arnie is my last-place choice for
replacement. A guy who knows nothing, won't debate, and doesn't even
have any record of leadership (being an actor is about following
directions), not got my vote.
\_ You forgot the number one rule: anyone the press hates *that*
much has to be doing *something* right.
\_ yeah, like Saddam, or Hitler
\_ Welcome to democracy.
\_ he's also ahead in the polls in the most populous state in the
U.S. i don't see why you're blameing the motd. he's probably
less popular on the motd than in california at large.
\_ So should we only vote for economists or politicians? I'd be fine
with only voting for economists. But since when do economists run
for public office?
\_ This is contrary to what was intended when this country was founded.
The idea was that serving in public office was a duty, like jury
duty, not a career. They never intended for career politicians to
exist. Term limits were an attempt to resurrect the concept but
the term limit laws didn't go far enough. Right idea, though.
\_ Obviously you know nothing about government. Term limits
are an exceedingly bad idea, and it is what got us into
this mess. The government is the largest entity you have
to deal with, and people need time to learn the ropes.
If term limits were implemented in the federal level
the House would be a non-functional body. There needs
to be, and should be career politicians. If you don't like
it then maybe we should hand over government to you and you
can try to deal with the daily headaches of governing.
\_ The House is already a non-functioning body. WTF are you
talking about? It's *you* who doesn't know how the government
works. You think it was really cool to have a doddering vet
of the War of 1812 in there for a few centuries like Strom?
Get your two or three terms and get the hell out. It should
be like jury duty, not a place to suck off the public teat
and drink in the power for life. Shit, I even think Strom
was kind of funny at times and here and there he did do
some good things, but 60+ years in office? Fuck that.
\_ Though if anything, term limits as currently implemented have
just made special interests more powerful, because newly
elected candidates are that much more beholden to the money
that got them into office. We need serious, hardcore
campaign finance laws for term limits to be effective, but the
courts seem dead set against that. Also, things are a lot
different than they were in 1792.
\_ I agree term limits alone aren't enough. I had this very
same conversation over dinner tonight. However, I don't
agree that things are different from 1792. People are still
people, power still corrupts and absolute etc etc etc. Some
things never change. Like old crusty career politicians.
\_ Yeah, but the country is something like 200 times as large
population wise as it was in 1792. You don't think that
General Motors needs the same corporate structure as
the mom and pop grocery down the street do you? Our
government is large and complicated enough to require
career politicians. Note that I have change my position
on this after watching what has happend to California
since we instituted term limits. -AML
\_ Career politicians don't run the country. The
beaurocrats do. That's why you end up with so many
fucked up laws. The people voting on them already don't
don't what they're voting on or what effect the bills
might have so how is being in office for a few decades
good for the rest of us?
courts seem dead set against that. |
| 2003/10/4-6 [Computer/SW/RevisionControl] UID:10472 Activity:moderate |
10/4 RCS question: I've checked out (with a lock) revision 1.4 of a file
which has a revision 1.9. I want to check it in as revision 1.10
and unlock it. I thought this would work:
ci -r1.4 -u1.10 test-contact.html
but I get an error "ci: warning: redefinition of revision number"
and revision 1.4 is still locked. I know RCS by default makes a new
branch when you save changes to an old revision, but I want to keep
the tree structure linear. Any pointers as to what I'm doing wrong?
general question: how to check in a file and set the revision to the
next main "trunk?" branch.
\_ How about:
$ mv test-contact.html test-contact.sav
$ co -l test-contact.html
$ mv test-contact.sav test-contact.html
$ ci test-contact.html
\_ not quite what I was looking for. I'd like a
\_ ok, but that's not quite what I was looking for. I'd like a
method that uses the ci and co or RCS commands? Thanks..
\_ A much simpler question: What's the best way to make a new
revision 1.10 that hass the contents of rev 1.4. In other
words "how to jump a previons revision to the top"?
\_ co -l file; co -u1.4 file; ci file
\_ Aah. Excellent! You rock. you saved the day -op
\_ A general way that works with cvs too:
method that uses the ci and co or RCS commands? Thanks..
words "how to jump a previons revision to the top"?
\_ Aah. Excellent! You rock. you saved the day -op
co -p1.4 file > file; ci file |
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