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| 2003/10/3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:10433 Activity:nil |
10/2 23:59 (196)wc /etc/motd
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| 2003/10/3 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:10434 Activity:nil |
10/2 Andrew Sullivan: READ THE (WMD) REPORT
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/994199/posts |
| 2003/10/3 [Recreation/Computer] UID:10435 Activity:nil |
10/2 I enjoy trolling the motd as much as the next guy, and I find it
very fun writing half truths and seemingly logical statements that
simply aren't and then letting it go where it goes. Today's motd
is so full of flat out lies and complete and utter illogic fueled
solely by personal agendas and general bad-think that not even I,
your friendly neighborhood part time troll, find it fun to read.
Hate, hate, hate. What the hell is wrong with you people? Where's
the censors when you need them? I suspect the same people who would
normally wipe all this and mostly never post are the ones who just
turned the motd from a fun troll hangout and tech question center into
their own personal realm of hatred spewing. It was better when you
clowns kept to yourselves and just hit the delete key a lot and
otherwise left us trolls and techies alone. --!happy,!hateful,+troll
\_ vi or emacs?
\_ this post is boring and sucks.
\_ good example of missing the point. it isn't supposed to be
exciting. you want exciting? get off your thumb and go be
useful to someone somewhere in the world.
\_ I don't care about your point. I was making my own point.
Are you a fat sysadmin by any chance?
\_ You're fired. -John, King of the Trolls |
| 2003/10/3 [Politics/Domestic, Politics] UID:10436 Activity:nil |
10/2 Why does Rush lose his job while Dusty Baker gets to keep his
after saying:
"Personally, I like to play in the heat. It's easier for most Latin
guys and most minority people because most of us come from the heat.
You don't find too many brothers from New Hampshire and Maine and the
Upper Peninsula of Michigan, right? I mean we were brought over for
the heat, right? I mean, ain't that history? Weren't we brought over
here because we could take the heat?"
http://www.illinoisleader.com/columnists/columnistsview.asp?c=6946
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0703/page071503.asp
\_ If you thought about this you'd figure it out. Well, maybe you
wouldn't, since you're pretty committed to your premise.
\_ Why bother posting? Ooooh, you're so mysterious and all knowing
and wise! You have Greater Wisdom you can't reveal to us
peasants! The truth is there's a double standard. That's the
answer to the OP's question.
\_ umm... Dusty is black. Rush is white?
\_ So it's ok for a non-white to be racist and say racist things? |
| 2003/10/3-4 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:10437 Activity:nil |
10/2 Java's cover:
http://www.paulgraham.com/javacover.html
\_ The sun internal memo is good reading as well. Lots of projects
at sun (and elsewhere) that need to provide robust functionality
in a small memory foot print have rejected java in favor of c
or perl because of the reasons outlined in that memo. Java might
have been a good idea but its implementation is terrible.
\_ 99% of applications out there don't need a small memory footprint
\_ The embedded market is huge. That's who they're talking about.
\_ You would be surprised how many applications that run on
general purpose hardware/os need to have a small memory
footprint per instance (and/or thread). When you have to
handle hundreds of simultaneous requests, something that
takes 10 mb of memory to just stand up and another 50 or
so to run (per instance) puts a huge burden on them system.
I'm not even considering the io/cpu load that a java pgm
places on the system. You can also forget about writing
cli utilites with java, since the startup time for the vm
is long.
\_ 1. 60 megs is nothing these days. Really. My laptop has
a gig of memory. Any server should have more. And java
doesn't take that much memory on my system. And if you
make the vm constantly resident (for such things as
servlets) the startup time isn't an issue. Look I'm not
saying Java is the One True programing language, I'm
saying nothing is. Different tools for different jobs.
Java is pretty good at what it does. And for the embeded
market it has worked pretty well too. I for one think
the whole language world is pretty stagnent right now
and someone needs to create a c++ killer that, gives
you total control over memory, enables you to be as fast
as C if you need it, and isn't the ugly piece of shit c++
is. Hell maybe someone should stop trying to copy C
syntax and typing and come up with something new that
works. But until then I'll make do with what is out there
and for some jobs Java works well, for some perl, and
for other C++.
\_ Out of curiosity, how many languages do you know?
-- ilyas
\_ I've done major projects with c/c++, perl, and
java. I have played around with lots of others:
python, smalltalk, ruby, eifle, ocaml, objective c,
and others I've forgotten about. I'd love to do
a serious project in any of those, but I've never
had a reason to. And as I've said, I'd really like
to see a good C replacement type language for doing
stuff C/C++ should be used for (which sadly is a lot
less than it IS used for.)
\_ I am an ocaml fan. I think you can use ocaml for
most stuff people use c++ for these days, except
maybe some kinds of system work. I like lisp too.
People think of lisp as slow, but it's not. -- ilyas |
| 2003/10/3-4 [Uncategorized] UID:10438 Activity:nil |
10/2 AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.wavygravy.net |
| 2003/10/3 [Reference/BayArea, Academia/Berkeley] UID:10439 Activity:high |
10/2 I just met a Cal alum who told me that in the 80s it was legal to
carry up to 4 rolled joints in Berkeley. True? When did that change
and why?
\_ When I was an R.A. in the early-mid 90s, we had a training/info
session with UCPD. One of the topics was drug use/possession in
the Res Halls. As I remember, the officer told us to not bother
calling them about a student in possession of marijuana in the
amount of 1-3 joints. They said they just would not bother with
it, and told us to write it up, and just flush it down a toilet.
I am not sure if it's "legal" to have a joint, just that they
are not going to enforce it. --chris
\_ Well the story as told was that he saw 2 guys walking down
telegraph smoking, and 2 cops coming from the other direction.
Instead of busting them or frowning, one cop took a quick puff.
\_ It's not legal. However, you can't get charged with the felony
"possession with intent to deal."
\_ In the early 90s the Berkeley City Council passed a rule telling
the PD that marijuana enforcement was their "lowest possible
priority." It still wasn't legal, but almost.
\_ Pseudo decriminalised as one of the above posters says.
\_ Marijuana possession was decriminalized so that small amounts
are ok so that most users (i.e., white ppl) won't be jailed, but
most dealers (ppl of color, i.e., not the middle ppl dealers)
are jailed. You don't want your pot smoking in college to catch
up with you when you get into the real world, right? If it wasn't
decriminalized, you couldn't run for governor or president or
hold a decent job.
\_ Not only dealers of color but homeless users are regularly
prosecuted as well. How many frat boys do you see charged
with public intoxication? How many homeless people? -sky
\_ Somehow I don't find myself really sympathetic to "drug dealers
of color" as some sort of protected class. How unfortunate
that "drug dealers of color" are prosecuted. How many do I
see charged with anything? I've been living in Berkeley for
several years longer than you and I've never seen *anyone*
charged with public intoxication or much of anything else.
Crime has been decriminalised in Berkeley. It's unfair to
the criminals to prosecute them! We don't prosecute the
non-criminals, right? So why punish just the criminals? |
| 2003/10/3 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:10440 Activity:kinda low |
10/2 http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx \_ Good that someone is doing this, but I don't like the fact that the \_ Good that someone is doing this, but I don't like the fac that the government isn't doing it directly. |
| 2003/10/3-4 [Uncategorized] UID:10441 Activity:nil |
10/3 Another victory for the animal rights movement! Go Team!
http://www.startribune.com/stories/1451/4133880.html
\_ Dammit, haven't any of these whackos seen 28 Days Later? |
| 2003/10/3-4 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10442 Activity:nil |
10/3 Any Jews here would like to comment on the Arnie's father being a
Nazi? Would you not vote for him because of that? This sins of
the father doesn't work in the US. But I can imagine it working in
Europe and Asia.
\_ Sure. Nothing to do with it. Voting for Tom anyway. Arnold isn't
a conservative. |
| 2003/10/3-4 [Uncategorized] UID:10443 Activity:nil |
10/3 Enough with the politics.
\_ too late. new threads being created every day. |
| 2003/10/3 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:10444 Activity:nil |
10/3 I like to run a script to tell me what changes have been made to
the motd-- it lets me follow the responses as they happen and stores
the changes so I can read them later if someone nukes the motd.
Recently, however, my processes have been Suspended (and show up
Stopped (T) in ps). Is this a new development? Or is someone with
access just hosing any script having to do with the MOTD just 'cos?
\_ isn't there already motdwatch? |
| 2003/10/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10445 Activity:nil |
10/3 So does Godwins law make this thread over before it begins?
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/03/national/03BOOK.html?hp
\_ There's absolutely no way that this could be discussed in any
rational manner for more than four lines in the motd |
| 2003/10/3 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:10446 Activity:high |
10/3 No selective censorship. You got smashed on one of the debates so
you killed the whole thing plus a few new links that are demonstrate
real world evidence that is contrary to your political beliefs yet
you added on to places where you thought you were doing better. It's
all gone now.
\_ What the hell are you talking about?
\_ You can read English? -!op
\_ Yup. Still can't tell what he's bangin' on about.
\_ I think it's that time of month.
\_ OP said it in plain English. Whatever. -!op
\_ I'm a new poster, but I would like to know what topics
OP is talking about.
\_ "that are demonstrate real world" is plain English?
\_ after-edit by some scum bag. its the motd.
\_ as one of the ppl who were "debating," I have no clue wtf he's
talking about. Is he referring to the cons or the libs? Btw,
I'm fairly certain there's more than one conservative who posts
on the motd, and I know for sure there's multiple libs, so whom the
singular "you" refers to, I have no clue. -nivra
\_ finally, we agree on something. :)
\_ "you" would be whomever did the selective deleting, wouldn't it?
I believe you when you say, "I have no clue". |
| 2003/10/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:10447 Activity:nil |
10/3 "There is still some intense fighting to be done, especially out
in the west," he said. "We should not be surprised if one of these
mornings we wake up and ... there has been a major firefight with
some casualties or a significant terrorist attack that kills
significant numbers of people."
\_ That's nice. Who said it and URLp?
\_ Look up the quote on http://news.google.com. News sites have had
a tendency to self-censor this quote.
\_ Uh huh... so you can't even give us a name? Get the fuck
outta here. No one has time to search for your random ass
nameless quote. It's just not that interesting. |
| 2003/10/3-5 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10448 Activity:nil |
10/3 You all know what Arnold has been doing is better classified as
sexual assault than groping right? Groping is what you did when
you managed to find a date this year.
\_ Most g33ks can't tell the difference since you get points
for either in a dating sim.
\_ Oh, I dunno... I've done some of the same things and got laid
like that. You just need to pick the right girls.
\_ uh, yeah. i do those things all the time, too. just always to
the same person, who i happen to be married to. obviously
grabbing nipples or buttocks isn't automatically assault, but
in the context in which arnie did them, they certainly are.
also, holding the governor of America's most populous state
to higher standards than your average sodan seems to me like
a good idea.
\_ you know that in CA that's still sexual assault even when
it's your wife? you do not have the right to rape your
wife in CA. what you're doing to your wife is no different
in the eyes of the law than what Arnold has been accused of
doing. we didn't hold the former President of the United
States to a higher standard than the average sodan so why
does character suddenly count when it's our Governor? If
character counts then you should by the first one out there
voting to get rid of Davis. Now go live by your principles,
stop commiting sexual assault on your wife, vote against Davis
and vote for someone with character for Governor of CA.
\_ LESBIAN SEPERATIST HACKORS UNITE!!!! ALL SEX IS RAPE!!!
\_ Heh, you laugh but I dated one who was like that.
\_ This is one of the stupidest replies I've read on the
motd, ever.
\_ *laugh* You sure did a *great* job of countering
everything I said. If you've got nothing to say, then
say nothing. If it was so stupid it should be easy to
correct me. All you've done is waste bits. Here, let
me save you the trouble of writing the obvious reply.
You're thinking, "it was too stupid to correct, it was
so obviously stupidest!" Let's go on from there.
\_ There is no indication that what he did to his wife
was nonconsensual, you just made that assumption.
\_ I think 'did to his wife' ought to have been
written 'did with his wife'. |
| 2003/10/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:10449 Activity:nil |
10/3 "Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And so if
people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused
and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up," he
said to his audience during the broadcast. - name that conservative
\_ "Absurdly high levels of imprisonment, some might say, is
destroying this country..."
\_ You're right. We need more executions.
\_ If he was a liberal you'd be screaming that he's been framed by
the VRWC which owns and controls all media and we shouldn't judge
until there's been a trial by his hollywood peers.
\_ Er.. When was the last time you heard a liberal saying that we
should lock up more drug offenders. And you miss the point. The
op is pointing out the hypocrisy. Not the drugs.
\_ You miss the point, intentionally I believe. I'm talking
about liberal & liberal media hypocrisy, not drugs.
\_ And now you've missed MY point. And no, liberals wouldn't
be screaming that one of their own was framed. They would
realize that he had a problem and hope for his sake that
he could own up to it and get the help he needed. And they
wouldn't have ranted idiotically about drugs being the
downfall of society at the same time as they were making
some side cash dealing.
\_ Simple counter point to the concept that liberals are
all enlightened and would hope the poor guy would seek
help: Bill Clinton. Here's another: any Kennedy. And
of course a liberal wouldn't bitch about drugs.
Liberals *like* a well drugged population. It keeps
them stupid and passive.
\_ When did Bill Clinton or the Kennedys start posting
on motd. And your so called counter point rests on
a proof by counter-example against a broad
generalization. Doesn't hold water, pal.
\_ Who posts on the motd has nothing to do with
anything. When you stop ducking, bobbing, and
weaving, come back.
\_ No, really. Do you seriously not recognize
Rush's hypocrisy? Was your initial lashout
borne from a deeply held respect for the man?
Or were you the one trying to deflect the
conversation?
\_ Duck, bob, weave. You've already convicted
the man based on what his maid from two
years ago is alleged to have said. I still
believe in that quaint notion about innocent
until proven guilty in a court of law and
all that other fancy democracy and freedom
stuff. I'm not sure why but I put due
process above whatever it is you're basing
your unfounded claims on. If the story is
true then he's not a hypocrite but simply
insane because anyone in this country can
get any prescription drug they want without
using their maid(!!!!) as a dealer! Can
you not see this story is idiotic on it's
face?
\_ Whoever it is, he's an idiot. His logical premise is that
because some people believe something, we should punish other
people extra harshly.
\_ Keep up with current events, dude. It's Rush.
\_ No, that's not the premise at all. Try again grasshopper. |
| 2003/10/3-4 [Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs] UID:10450 Activity:nil |
10/3 Anybody know of a linux application to create and view SVG's? I know
I could "draw" them in emacs-xml-mode, but I want to see them!
\_ I think KDE 3.2 will partially support them.
\_ http://www.mozilla.org/projects/svg |
| 2003/10/3-4 [Uncategorized] UID:10451 Activity:nil |
10/3 Wack-a-goth! http://www.powergothgirls.com/games/whackagoth.html |
| 2003/10/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10452 Activity:nil |
10/3 Does McClintock have a chance now? I think (hope) Davis will still
be recalled. Perhaps the Democrat-controlled legislature will
prevent any wacky pro-life or tax cuts for the rich moves. Does
anyone think there will be reliable poll data released before
Tuesday?
\_ No because the people have seen through the LA Times' sleazy
last second hatchet job. I'm still voting for Tom anyway.
\_ Because of Arnold's confession yesterday (I'm sorry I got caught) I
can't cast a vote for him.
\_ http://helptom.com
\_ Are you referring to the serial groping or the Hitler comments?
\_ Does anyone think Republican officials are kind of steamed that
they finally endorsed Arnold, then the LA Times showed he was such
a cad? Let's assume it was totally scripted by the left-wing
Davis-sympathizers and media, too.
\_ There was nothing new in the LA Times.
\_ Has anyone else changed their mind due to these revelations?
I am still voting for the recall, but was trying to decide
whether or not to vote for Arnold. I had pretty much decided
to, but then this came out. Now I am voting for Georgie. -AM liberal
\_ I'm going to switch my vote from Arnie to McClintock, and
hope to god Bustamante doesn't win.
\_ I hope Bustamante doesn't win. He's weak. I am for the
recall, I don't think CA is better off with any these
candidates.
\_ Actually, while I'm against the recall on principle,
I like the effect it's had on Davis-- he's finally
doing some of the radical things I look for in a
liberal candidate. If another recall would make him
declare amnesty for illegal migrant workers, legalize
dope, and put together a statewide universal health-
care system, I'd sign the petition.
\_ Come on, that's too obvious. Your troll fu is weak.
\_ It's a valid point.
\_ Maybe gov office should up for vote every year.
\_ The problem is we don't have elections in CA
anymore since the whole state is so incredibly
gerrymandered. Almost none of the people in
office have any chance of losing their seat.
\_ Well, no. Because of term limits. But other
wise you are right.
\_ They just swap seats. Term limits hasn't
helped as much as I'd hoped. You still
get "safe" districts where one party is
absolutely guaranteed to win the seat. |
| 2003/10/3-5 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:10453 Activity:nil |
10/3 Kay's Report, minus the ranting:
http://csua.org/u/4m3 (CIA page)
(Many thanks to the first person who posted this.)
\_ I'm loving Richard Boucher hyping the vial of botulinum found.
There's probably more in a cubic foot of dirt in the backyard
than in a single vial of bacteria.
\_ Isn't botulism toxin the stuff Ann Coulter injects into
her face to give it that rictus like quality?
\_ You're thinking of the lawyer chick from OJ, then cnn, now
on Fox. Greta something? Coulter is simply hot.
\_ Look, you can buy it on the internet:
link:csua.org/u/4m7
\_ I can buy anything on the internet. yermom was cheap and
no shipping!
\_ So to summarize, they were at least two years from being able
to produce Sarin, had stopped research on nuclear weapons and
had some sort of fragmentary dual use bioweapons research
program. And an intent to purchase or develop some longer range
missles than allowed by UN 1441. But no WMD, right?
But they still might show up in the 600,000 tons of unsearched
munitions, admittedly.
\_ So to summarize, there's some hints of stuff but with 600,000 tons
more shit to go through no one can be sure what's there or not and
they need more time. It's only a preliminary report as stated on
the first page, not a final report. |
| 2003/10/3-5 [Computer/Rants, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:10454 Activity:nil |
10/3 http://www.ucomics.com/foxtrot/2003/10/03 \_ Bill Amend released a patch: http://homepage.mac.com/billamend |
| 2003/10/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10455 Activity:nil |
10/3 MARIA: You really don't like politicians, do you?
ARNOLD: I like two or three, but I'm not really sure about
one of them. I don't think the system works.
MARIA: How would you have it work?
ARNOLD: We need a system where the politicians sit down and
discuss the problem, agree what's in the best interests of
all the people, and then do it.
MARIA: That is exactly what we do. The trouble is that
people don't always agree. In fact, they hardly ever do.
ARNOLD: Then they should be made to.
MARIA: By whom? Who's going to make them?
ARNOLD: I don't know. Someone.
MARIA: You?
ARNOLD: Of course not me.
MARIA: But someone.
ARNOLD: Someone wise.
MARIA: That sounds an awful lot like a dictatorship to me.
ARNOLD: Well, if it works...
\_ source?
\_ Star Wars ep2. A quick google could've told you that.
\_ It actually sounds a fair bit like Arnold. Also, you're
kinda nerdy.
\_ no, recongnizing quotes from star trek I is nerdy.
it's just star wars.
\_ The Star Wars geeks always make fun of the Star\
Trek geeks, when in fact they are closely related.
\_ ok, fine. "star wars geeks" and star trek
geeks are closely related. the point is that
millions of non-geeks have seen star wars, whereas
*only* star trek geeks have seen, say, star trek
6. I'm not trying to start some partisain debate
here. i'm both a star trek geek and a star wars
geek.
\_ I wasn't the OP. I just took it upon myself to see if
I could answer my question. You could have done the same.
\_ You're all losers trying to equate Star wars/trek with anything in
the real world. Go away and die, please. |
| 2003/10/3-5 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10456 Activity:nil |
10/3 The Arnold camp has really pulled it off this time. They managed to
create a false scandal and then reap an extra 2% from it! Those
bastards! http://www.thesandiegochannel.com/politics/2530527/detail.html |
| 2003/10/3-5 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/Domains] UID:10457 Activity:nil |
10/3 About freakin time...
http://boston.internet.com/news/article.php/3087071
\_ what? why? i found their search page a fresh and welcome change
to my dull typo-filled life. |
| 2003/10/3-5 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:10458 Activity:nil |
10/3 Right, so I understand why nobody likes Gray Davis. What is the
rationale behind hating Cruz Bustamante?
\_ He's a disloyal opportunist who's proposed giving drivers licenses
to illegal aliens, which is a cheap way of getting the Latino
vote. Being the lieutenant gov, he's also part of the establishment
that got us into this mess.
\_ Waitasec. So you're the lone Davis loyalist out here? Or
do you hate Davis but also loathe Bustamante for running
as the only Dem replacement?
\_ I don't want to vote for Davis or Bustamante. To me,
Bustamante seems like a "right place right time" candidate.
\_ He'll sell the state to mexico for a song? He'll tax you so he
can give your money to illegals? He's "more of the same"?
\_ He's a greasy Mexican, isn't it obvious?
\_ RACIST FUCKER!
\_ doesn't he pretty much tell Mexicans to vote for him because
he is Mexican? I've never seen that done so obviously before.
\_ I'm praying you're being facetious here.
\_ In other words, he was against Prop 187 and supported the
"drivers licences for illegals" measure? So if I'm against
Prop 187 I should vote for him?
\_ sure if you want to compete with mexicans for jobs
\_ For what jobs? The folks benefiting from the repeal
of 187 aren't code monkeys.
\_ not at all unless you're a mindless single-agenda voter.
that's your choice but others have more concerns.
\_ He doesn't seem to know the difference between "immigrant" and
"illegal immigrant".
\_ he does. like all pro-illegal whores he intentionally ignores
the difference.
\_ He's quoted as saying "Just because the border moved doesn't
mean the people did."
\_ Actually 187 is another Davis "fuck you" since he promised he'd
fight for it before he got into office and then just, oh, sort of
didn't afterwards. Whether or not you liked 187, you can add the
lie to his plate. Hey, how weird! He did the exact same thing over
the budget gap at the last election cycle! Must be an anti-Davis
conspiracy from the right wing hordes! |
| 2003/10/3-5 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10459 Activity:kinda low |
10/3 I'm thinking of voting for McClintock now. Can you give a somewhat
moderate republican reasons not to? Go wild, I'll decide what I agree
with and what I don't.
\_ I'm not a conservative, but it seems to me that this is analogous
to the quandry facing a liberal in the 2000 presidential election.
you could vote for the guy who stands for something but has
no chance of winning(nader/mclintock) or the guy who might actually
win(gore/arnold). I can think of no other reason for anyone
with half a brain to vote for Arnold. I *strongly* urge people
to download the debate from http://www.cspan.org if you missed it
and watch the whole thing. if you look at how arnold talks about
issues and conducts himself with other people, this is not
someohone who is going to be able to get anythying done
in a state where the legislature is fighting him.
\_ Yep. Californians were stupid to re-elect Davis and are stupid
again to elect Arnold. Vote for the one with most experience!
\_ Experience alone is not the best way to go. Here's my
obGodwin's comment: by 1944 Hitler had a lot of experience
but I wouldn't suggest voting for him.
\_ Why not? He had charisma and principles, and promised to
fix the injustices of World War I! Damn polish corridor.
\_ True, it was mostly just the Jews, gypsies, queers and
other undesirables he was gassing, so hey, ya know,
everyones got to hate someone!
\_ Look, Arnold has a lot of independents and moderates, they are not
going to vote for a guy who is pro-life, even if the Gov. has no say
say in the matter.
\_ Cruz
\_ McClintock may seem like the smartest individual running in the
California Gubernatorial race, and may be straightforward and
honest, but one quick look at his standings on social issues should
scare away any moderate, be it Republican or no.
\_ he's smart, and he's principled on social issues. He's great.
\_ McClintock is the only canidate I've seen with an actual plan for
the budget. Serious about spending cuts and such. Has real
numbers and percentages about what should go to what. Arnold
always seemed kinda sketchy on the subject, nevermind about
Bustemonte.
\_ I can tell that you're well informed, what with the spelling
of Bustamante that you've invented here.
\_ spelling flames always put em in their place! sick em!
\_ you misspelled "seck um".
\_ no, I correctly spelled "sick em". thanks!
\_ Not if you meant, "sic 'em!"
\_ I said what I meant. You understood. Now go
stick your head in a pig, you vermin.
\_ Well, it comes down to this. I hate Davis. I believe that
Cruz is actually worse than Davis, I was going to vote for
Arnie, but now I don't think I can go against my standing
on what Bill Clinton did and Arnold also did (granted Arnold
admitted it, didn't lie about it, and didn't commit purgery
while holding office, but he was still wrong and I'm not sure
I want to allow his mindset not to hurt him). I am pro-choice
but I think McClintock is all I have left (or georgie). -op
\_ "Purgery"? Are you accusing Clinton of bulimia?
\_ and Einstein was in the lower 30th percentile in spelling
as well.
\_ While that may be factually correct, it's contextually
irrelevant. Nice try.
\_ Weird. That was exactly the right context. I don't
think context means what you think it means.
\_ Don't be stupid.
\_ Sigh. Why bother posting non-comments like
this? If you've got nothing to add, just
don't. The motd already has enough noise.
\_ Right, and your post helped that SO much.
\_ You are brilliant! Two spelling flames in one thread
while holding back anything intelligent in reply! That
is a master stroke of debate strategy!
\_ Here's how I see it. I don't think it's good to have Arnie become
governor. I'm opposed in principle to this recall election. I don't
particularly care about Davis one way or the other. I think a vote
for McClintock is a throwaway vote. I hate Bustamante; wtf is he
particularly care about Davis one way or the other. I think
a vote for McClintock is a throwaway vote. I hate Bustamante; wtf is
he even in the election for? Wtf is a "backup"? Is he or is he not a
even in the election for? Wtf is a "backup"? Is he or is he not a
Democrat, if he is why is he running against Davis? Slimeball. Then
there's all the other candidates which are also throwaways. It's
either Davis, Arnie, or Busty, which is why I'm still voting no on
recall and yes on Arnie. I'd prefer McClintock over Arnie but I feel
he just helps Busty. I guess I might consider Busty in spite of my
distaste, but then, Gov. Arnie has the entertainment factor.
\_ How can you live in this state and not care one way or the other
about Davis? And you're going to vote with that level of
indifference and apathy? What for?
\_ ok, correction: I dislike Davis. But everything is relative.
The only people I might actually *like* have no chance.
\_ My guy isn't going to win but I'm going to vote for him
even if it means the so-so guy loses to the scumbag.
\_ The only advantage I see for Arnold as Gov. (as a conservative)
is his star power helping more R's getting elected to the
legislature (which is where the real changes need to happen).
He himself doesn't believe in a single conservative principle.
\_ On Bustamante: What were the Dems supposed to do, stick to
their guns and field no candidate in case the recall went
through? This makes no statistical sense. Offering folks
a way to get rid of Davis _and_ keep the state liberal
makes a ton of political sense.
\_ Just think about it for a sec. Bustamante claims he wants ppl
to vote "no on recall, yes on busty". But the only way Busty
would get elected is if people vote yes on recall. The Dem
party can't have it both ways, they either support Davis or
not. Busty in the race just makes Gov. Arnie more likely.
The only reason republicans have multiple candidates is
McClintock's obstinacy and the fact that there was no primary
so there's no way to say who's the official repub. candidate.
\_ Thought about, and I still can't make sense of not
having a Dem in the running, should the recall go
through: remember, there are two votes going down
here; on one, it's Davis vs. himself; in the other,
it's Arnold vs. whoever the Dems run; if the Dems run
no possible replacement candidate, they can't possibly
beat Arnie if the recall goes through, right? Running
Cruz on a "No on Recall, yes on Cruz" ticket covers
both bets.
\_ It's the politcally smart thing to do. If it was the
other way around and my party didn't put a candidate
up I'd be screaming bloody murder. It isn't the
principled thing to do.
\_ Well it only covers the situation where the No votes
on recall aren't enough, but are enough to get most
votes for Cruz while the Yes-on-recall votes are
scattered amongst the field. But the problem is that
recall and yes on Arnie. I'd prefer McClintock over Arnie but I feel
he just helps Busty. I guess I might consider Busty in spite of my
distaste, but then, Gov. Arnie has the entertainment factor.
Cruz is not a good candidate and is not going to get
all or I expect even most of the Dem replacement vote.
Instead, I expect that a sizeable group of idiots will
vote yes on recall and vote for Cruz. |
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