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| 2003/10/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10408 Activity:high |
10/1 Oh gawd. Check http://latimes.com for an Arnold expose on his treatment of women. I still might vote for him, though, as bad as it is. \_ Don't be a hater. \_ *laugh* If it was ok for Bill Clinton, if it was ok for the entire Kennedy clan, then I say it's ok for Arnold! \_ Wow. You have no idea what 'consent' means, do you? I pity your SO. \_ Reading problem? Don't they teach basic reading comprehension to freshmen anymore? \_ For Clinton, it was consensual. For Arnold, that's sexual harassment. \_ Monica worked for him. It's called "sexual harassment" when it's your boss's dick you're sucking or his cigar going into your vagina. I noticed you ignored the entire Kennedy clan's many decades of rape and murder. What about that? Were those rapes consentual? \_ What a bullshit rationalization. \_ Go look up "sarcasm". \_ The funny thing is this was on wall a month ago. It was reported in a UK paper back in August. See: http://tinyurl.com/kj1n And no new information in the Times. Why is the Times reporting it now? \_ "The Times did not learn of any of the six women from Schwarzenegger's rivals in the recall race. And none of the women approached the newspaper on her own. Reporters contacted them in the course of a seven-week examination of Schwarzenegger's behavior toward women on and off the movie set." \_ So they didn't report or even refer to the UK paper's story until the week before the election? Because they wanted in-depth info? They didn't add any details to the UK story. The timing is just a bit suspicious. \_ My impression was that the LA Times reporters re-interviewed the people from the UK story, and uncovered new examples of Arnold's bad behavior. As for the timing, you could say they were trying to get as many examples as they could before the election. \_ Which means they planned to release it shortly before the election, and hence timed it for most political clout. They could have easily issued a preliminary story and then had a big followup. \_ That wouldn't be politically expedient. \_ Which means they planned to release it shortly before the election, and hence timed it for most political clout. They could have easily issued a preliminary story and then had a big followup. |
| 2003/10/2-3 [Uncategorized] UID:10409 Activity:nil |
10/1 some dead threads cleaned near the end. no it's not censorship if
no one has posted to it in 12+ hours. |
| 2003/10/2-3 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:10410 Activity:nil |
10/1 Under XP, the status bar at the bottom of my IE keeps
disappearing on its own. How can I stop it from doing this?
\_ just a guess, but try opening a folder, selecting View | Status Bar,
then doing Tools | Folder Options | Apply to all folders.
\_right click the mouse on the task bar and select properties to change
it.
\_ OP said status bar, not task bar. |
| 2003/10/2-3 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:10411 Activity:nil |
10/1 In Perl, what does "\%hash" mean?
\_ delayed evaluation of $hash in some eval code probably
\_ Perl Reference?
http://www.uic.edu/depts/accc/seminars/perliii/references.html |
| 2003/10/2 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:10412 Activity:nil 83%like:10426 |
10/1 WMD FOUND!
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34881
Take that, you liberals!
\_ how many different times have they claimed simaller things?
What about that strange boat that was uspopsed to be floating
in the gulf FILLED with WMDs? What about all those WMDs that
that turned out to be fertelizer?
\_ Judging by the other stories on the site, this paper's not
the most credible thing around. Let's see what the story looks
like when reported by a more respected source.
\_ Saying "$60 million in chemical weapons" is stupid. Joe Sixpack
is supposed to go "OOH SIXTY MILLION THAT'S A LOT", but how much
is that? A pint of sarin? Is there a "commodity market" where we
can convert this into real information instead of bullshit money
numbers? This reminds me of the news stories about drug seizures
with absolutely ridiculous dollar values in them. --aaron
\_ Isn't that what about 20 mp3's are worth according to the
RIAA lawsuites?
\_ top headline on http://worldnetdaily.com
"'Baby Samuel' speaks before Senate panel
Remarkable photo showed boy's hand
reaching from womb during surgery "
\_ You've got to love their book promotion:
"Who really killed JFK?"
\_ We can do without leftists posting from known crap sites pretending
to be something else. "Take that, you liberals!"? WTF conservative
would *ever* say something so infantile? The insult is not that
you'd do such a lame job pretending to be a conservative but that
you see as us being that stupid. If we were as stupid as you would
like to think we'd have Darwin'd out decades ago. Go post your
own pro-lefty trolls. You'll note no conservative replies
attempting to defend this nonsense. You're just masturbating the
other leftists. --real conservative
\_ This is the funniest post all week. Thank you!
\_ uh, yeah thanks, whatever, I'm also the anonymous motd comic
\_ You have obviously not spent much time on the Free Republic
website. But hey, you gotta admit that it was a good troll.
\_ I visited and rejected free republic. They're mostly not
conservatives, which is a philosophy, but haters no different
than the spewage on the motd from the leftists here. --rc |
| 2003/10/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:10413 Activity:nil |
10/1 President Bush supports medical liability reform.
SHOULDN'T YOU???
link:www.csua.org/u/4l9
\_ Snore. troll troll troll. boring. |
| 2003/10/2-3 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Politics/Domestic, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:10414 Activity:nil |
10/1 http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_822534.html \_ I heard a story about this on NPR. The picture is better. \_ lol. The Russian text says: "A magazine about how money's made" Now, -thats- funny. _/ |
| 2003/10/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:10415 Activity:kinda low |
10/1 I got a stupid question. There are more than 40 states in USA
suffering budget crisis. Why California governor is the only one
get recalled?
\_ An aside here: Did you know $87 billion would cover the deficits
of all 50 states combined?
\_ it's an order of magnitude problem.
\_ California's economy is an order of magnitude, if not more,
larger than many of those States. Further, California's
economy was concentrated on high-tech sector. Granted,
Davis is not nearly as effective as, let say, Pete Wilson.
But using budget crisis as the ground for recall when
the budget crisis arises due to severe lack of capital gains
and sales taxes than lavishing state spending?
--OP, not a Davis fan.
\_ From 1993-94 to 2000-01 spending increased from $47.3 billion
to $80.1 billion. As a percentage of budget, CA's deficit
is among the 6 worst (with OR, NV, TX, AL, and WI). What say
you? --dim
\_ the business week article 2 weeks ago said that CA
spending between the same period you quoted increases
on average 1% per year. Now I am *REALLY* confused.
-kngharv
\_ http://www.bailard.com/CA%20muni%20market%20piece_2003.pdf
\_ how about revenue drop? can anyone give me a lead
on where i can find info like that?
\_ From $75.7 billion to $65.8 billion. I've seen
other, but similar numbers like $66.6 billion.
http://www.nctimes.net/news/2003/20030309/52655.html
\_ you are ignoring the rising costs and population in CA
since 1994.
\_ Rising population should mean rising revenues, unless
you mean there are more freeloaders now. In fact,
revenues have almost doubled and yet we are still
outspending them.
\_ That was the case in 2000 when there was a surplus.
But now it turned into rising unemployment benefits.
\_ Higher energy price is part of the reason.
\_ heck, gasoline was $1.20 in 1993.
\_ And under $1.00 in 2001. Your point?
\_ those 5 other states are not recalling their govenors.
\_ Other governors don't have the power crisis (for good or
bad) hanging over their head. Also, there is no politician
who is as uncharismatic as Davis; he really has no friends,
so he's easy to kick while he's down.
\_ I would think the power "crisis" should be hanging over
the head of Pete Wilson and the Bush appointed FERC.
\_ I'm sure you would think that.
\_ Yawn. He's not being recalled because we're in debt. He's being
recalled for being a criminal, for selling out the state in such
a huge way to special interests, for selling his signature, for
telling the Big Lie one too many times, and for being so cynical
\_ Is this some homosexual code word?
\_ no
it makes other politicians look good by comparison. This is so
old. It's been discussed over and over. Please stop the really
lame loaded questions with the pre-loaded assumptions.
\_ How is he "a criminal"? I don't like Davis either, but don't
get ahead of yourself here, chippy.
\_ When there's quid pro quo cash for his political support and
it's so blatant (Davis opposes measure, business reps show up
and write $100k check, Davis signs bill next day) then it's
criminal. Keep up with the news. Chippy, indeed.
\_ Funny. When Wilson did this it was called free speech.
\_ And when Bush gets whopping donations from oil
lobbies, no one bats an eye.
\_ And give government contracts to his friend companies
to rebuild iraq. What is company did Cheney work
for as CEO? How is that company doing?
\_ He has not been arrested or charged with any crime.
Calling him a criminal just makes you look stupid.
\_ And BC lied in a federal court. And several in the
Kennedy family have raped or killed someone. So what?
Powerful people never go to jail or get charged. You're
very naive if that's your standard. |
| 2003/10/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10416 Activity:nil |
10/1 Let's say Davis gets recalled and some republican, presumabley Arnie,
gets elected. Then some democrates get together and decide to have
a recall in a couple months. they succeed, beating arnie with some
wildly popular democrat celebrity. This pisses off the republicans,
who then stage another recall and take over with an even more amazing
republican celebrity, etc. etc. etc. when does it stop? doesn't
anyone see this as a bad direction to go in, even if you hate davis
and happen to like one of the potential replacements? In civilised
states removing the governor from office ins something only the state
legislature can do.
\_ It stops when Arnold takes over because the people won't do another
recall. It simply won't pass. Arnold doesn't have a lengthy and
well documented record of crimes against the people of this state.
\_ yeah except for molesting all those women. And violating his
immigration.
\_ urlP
\_ you can't violate immigration laws in CA. we don't have
any. and he's a kennedy now so what he did to those women
fits right in with the rest of his family.
\_ wow, you just figured this out?
\_ it dopesn't stop. we're doomed.
\_ when the democrats grow up, it'll stop
\_ From this comment, it sounds like it's not just the Demos that
need to grow up.
\_ You make it sound like its easy to get a recall election ceritifed.
\_ And it is.
\_ Which is why it's only happened once but it's been tried
dozens of times. At least pretend to know something.
\_ Dozens of times? Cite, please.
\_ The sky is blue. Go read a fucking newspaper. It's
been mentioned in dozens of articles. |
| 2003/10/2-3 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:10417 Activity:kinda low |
10/1 Iraq: What Went Wrong
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/16650
\_ need help here. don't speak english. What are the units,
or number of men in a:
regiment ~4000
brigade ~6000
division ~20000
\_ These are all for the US Army. Each military has a different
structure.
\_ thanks. this means, according to Clark, we didn't have
that many people fighting in Iraq when the war started.
\_ WOW. that was a good article. If he wrote even half of that, rather
than being all written by speechwriters/assistants, he's one
heckuva candidate
\_ his opinion on Iraq war is highly regarded. although personally
i can't make a good connection between a good general and a
good president.
\_ general and president are both administrative jobs.
sure beats failed oil company executive, AWOL texas
air national guardsman/draft dodger, and playboy
millionaire.
\_ sorry, but no. they're bother leadership roles. if we
needed administrative types we would've voted Gore in.
\_ we DID vote gore in. GWB somehow stole the election!
\_ OMG! WTF! LOL!
\_ Coming from the guy who lobbed 100+s millions in tomahawks and
destroye, apart from bridges, hospitals, water plants etc.
a few tanks. This against the Christian Serbs who rescued downed
allied pilots in WWII. What a joke. |
| 2003/10/2-3 [Uncategorized] UID:10418 Activity:nil |
10/1 Oh man. Just go look at the Drudge Report right now.
\_ Standard hatchet job on a right wing figure. If he was a leftist
hollywood actor, it'd be a paragraph in the entertainment section.
It's just business as usual. Move along. Nothing new to see here.
\_ If he was a holywood actor his fame would revolve around
ranting about those evil drug addled liburhals.
\_ I don't see what you are talking about...
\_ Some big full page thing about Rush and drugs. As per usual
Drudge there wasn't a complete story, just bits. |
| 2003/10/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:10419 Activity:nil |
10/1 Does anyone have any good urls to why Davis sucks? Democratic URLs are
a plus. -reg'd dem.
\_ what's the free east bay rag that has "savage love" in it? Check
their website, the recent issue has an article that talks a bit
about my "favorite" example of Davis's incomptetance/criminality
(the oracle bribe). The funny thing is that although Davis is the
worst govenor we have had in my lifetime, and is everything bad
that people *think* is bad about republicans vis-a-vis big business.
There is *nothing* that is known about him now that wasn't known
before the last election when he was elected.
\_ Simon was just a weak candidate and even so came close.
\_ Yep. Simon was worse than weak. He outright lied in his
attacks against Davis. Any halfway decent candidate would've
beaten Davis. Blame the Repubs for that one.
\_ From FTCR, more a consumer rights website, but still good stuff:
http://www.ftcr.org/insurance/pr/pr003676.php3
http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/utilities/nw/nw002082.php3
Oh man, there are too many to list here. Just type "Davis" in
the searchbar.
\_ Is this a troll or are you serious? What state have you been living
in for the last few years? The sky is still blue.
\_ yes, this is serious. i see people bash davis mostly on car tax,
electricity, and recently, drivers licenses for illaliens... i
am looking more for the lies and big business links.
\_ go see Davis and Oracle. Davis and the prison unions. Davis
and the teacher's union. Davis and (insert special interest
here). Anyway, you don't think the issues you came up with
are more than enough? Are you a masochist? How much more
abuse would you like to see inflicted on the citizens of
this once great state? |
| 2003/10/2-4 [Computer/HW/Laptop] UID:10420 Activity:moderate |
10/2 Time for laptop opinions again--I'm looking for something lightweight
and solid that will let me run FreeBSD and VMware/WinXP nicely.
I don't need a CD drive. Main conditions are trackpoint rather than
trackpad, and weight less than 4 lbs/2kg. I'm considering an IBM
X31; only problem is that it's "only" got a 1.4 PIV. Any opinions
on similar laptops from personal experience would be greatly
appreciated. -John
\_ I'm using Virtual PC 5.x. Works way better than the crap VMware is
pushing. I don't know of any decent laptops that still use the
old style thumb breakers.
\_ Side note: on the video card comments from a while ago...I'm
currently playing Halo on my laptop (Radeon 7500M chipset). I have
to turn off many of the features (and it's not a DX9 chipset) but it
plays great. Mostly I'm missing the eye candy (which look great on
my Radeon 9800 at work).
\_ GFX card doesn't have to be stellar--I have a good home
machine for games. Virtual PC is nice, agreed, but it
does not run on top of FreeBSD. -John
\_ Why make your life so complicated? Get a Macintosh. You'll get access
to the majority of dekstop applications that the majority of users
care about and you still will maintain full compatibility with unix
apps which, using tools like fink, are trivial to install on OS X.
\_ Because it costs about $1000 more for similar hardware?
\_ Apple's low-end hardware is pretty competitively priced,
but none of it is under 4 pounds. -tom
\_ Nonsense. Please show me a Powerbook comparable laptop priced
at $1000. or iBook class laptop sold for $300.
\_ Only if your benchmark is crap that Dell mostly makes or
similar.
\_ Couple things: 1. IBM X-series, as far as I know, never equipped
with P4 CPU. I think it has something to do with how much heat p4
dissipated. X-series went from P3M straight to Pentium-M.
2. There is a Pentium-M version of X31. I am not sure can it
support booting from an external, USB CD writer or not.
3. Dell has something that is similiar in spec. I vaguely remember
it is called X300. Pentium M/12.1" screen. Dell is lighter
1.7kg vs IBM's 2.2 kg. The down side, if you call it, is that
Dell doesn't have dedicated video memory.
4. Personally, I prefer IBM's build quality and its keyboard.
\_ why do you like the keyboard? I hate the ibm keyboard.
I am still not used to the the left control key.
\_ personal choice. "Personally I[he] prefer[s] ..."
Having said that, IBM recently moved the notebook production from
Taiwan to the mainland China. Not that I have anything
against China, but I heard their first couple batchs was not up
to the par (common issue when one moved its manufacturing
facilities). So, when you are hunting for bargain, becareful.
email me if you have more questions. -kngharv |
| 2003/10/2-4 [Transportation/Car] UID:10421 Activity:kinda low |
10/2 Why is the waterpump usually changed the same time as the timing
belt? Isn't it a pretty reliable part?
\_ The belt needs to be removed to change the pump. So if the pump
fails then you get your timing belt changed whether you need to
or not. It's a matter of convenience and will save you money. Have
the nearby seals changed, too. It costs almost nothing and if one
leaks on your new belt it will cause it to slip. --dim
\_ how much for the seals?
\_ Less than $100 parts+labor
\_ Because it's hard to get to it. You don't want to pay the
labor twice. But I guess you know that already, and yes,
I wish they just build the part such that it last for 16 years.
\_ fyi, my water pump was messing up, this jammed up my timing
belt, I had to replace both parts again, this time from a good
mechanic
\_ by the way I called the guy up and he said the aftermarket belt
is $100 cheaper, but don't last as long. Any reason why OEM
belt would last longer?
\_ Boy, he's riding you for a good one. How can aftermarket
timing belts be $100 cheaper when the OEM belt costs about
$20?
\_ Depends on the car. What car do you have, op?
\_ pony up. the timing belt is very important. you're supposed
to only be changing it only every 60K-90K miles. who knows
how crappy the non-OEM belt is (and whether it was > $100
cheaper for them to buy); and your mechanic is actually warning
you
\_ pony up. the belt is very important. you're supposed to only
be changing it every 60K-90K miles. |
| 2003/10/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10422 Activity:nil |
10/2 "During the production of the 1991 mega-blockbuster Terminator 2:
Judgment Day, a producer on that film recallfortyish female crew
member, who was wearing a silk blouse. Arnold went up to the woman,
put his hands inside her blouse, and proceeded to pull her breasts
out of her bra. Another observer says, "I couldn't believe what I
was seeing. This woman's nipples were exposed, and here's Arnold and
a few of his clones laughing. I went after the woman, who
had run to the shelter of a nearby trailer. She was hysterical but
refused to press charges for fear of losing her job. It was
disgusting." Arnold the Barbarian: Premiere Magazine March 2001
\_ confirmed by Arnold, he's behaved badly.. voting for McClintock
\_ confirmed by Arnold where? url-p
\_ that he was a bad boy, but he doesn't identify specific
occurrences
\_ Right... So saying this story is confirmed by Arnold
is a ... tad misleading. Don't you think?
\_ It's all over the news. Check yahoo news. |
| 2003/10/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:10423 Activity:kinda low |
10/2 Anybody want to waste your vote? That poll below gave me an idea.
You can write in a candidates name. I'm tempted to write in
"!psb". I wonder if they'll tally those. -psb #1 fan
\_ Pffft! You're not the real psb #1 Fan. His *real* #1 Fan would
never suggest a write in for !psb. His Greatness, the psb, would
be governor of this small state if he chose to. --psb #1 Fan
\_ let's all write in "John Smith"
\_ John Galt.
\_ Who is John Galt?
\_ "Jedi"
\_ since this is a circus, how about Dumbo?
\_ How about Krusty? |
| 2003/10/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10424 Activity:high |
10/2 So Arnie groped women. So what? Clinton also groped women and used
a cigar on Lewinsky. I'm still voting for Arnold.
\_ for me the "so what" is that the same ultra-conservative republican
power brokers that were willing to go to any lengths to bring
down Clinton over this not only don't care, but are 100% behind
him. why doesn't that seem to bother anyone?
\_ Will. To. Power.
\_ Please name these nameless ultra conservative power brokers.
\_ See, most people have this notion of "consent", and they think it's
important. Without "consent" it's called "assault". Tune in
tomorrow when we discuss what a "lie" is and why it's bad when used
to start a "war".
\_ They don't call it assault in france, italy, japan, etc.
It's just normal there.
\_ Why are they speaking out only now? I mean, they never filed
charges or spoke out (even anonymously) until now. Just because
he's running for gov, it's only now important the truth be
revealed? I guess being violated by only a big-shot actor is not
enough to demand justice.
\_ How long did it take for Flowers or Jones to come forward?
\_ A few weeks.
\_ I hope someday a woman you love has a long talk with you
about what it can be like to come forward with this type of
allegation. That is if you know any women. --aaron
\_ My wife was grabbed on campus. She went straight to the
cops and somehow isn't permanently psychologically damaged
for life. She doesn't walk around calling herself a victim
or go to therapy 5 times a week. Weird, huh?
\_ Several of the women came out anonymously, according to the
LA Times article, so it's not like we know who they are.
All I'm wondering is what the motivation is. It isn't
solely because of what happened to them.
\_ Stop pretending to be dense about it. You can't
imagine why a woman who felt taken advantage of by
Arnold might feel he isn't fit to be governor? How
she might consider paying the pain of coming forward
due to the prospect of him being elected? --aaron
\_ *laugh* Do you feel their pain, aaron?
\_ Have you ever actually talked with a real girl?
People are a lot more complicated than sheep,
even the blow up kind that you're probably more
familiar with. Especially in regard to trauma
where the victim is often more socially
stigmatized than the criminal. -sax
\_ Any reason you talk to traumatized girls, sax?
Are you looking for a cheap lay on the rebound,
or are you just that kind of sensitive new age
guy?
\_ Which still begs the question of why they came
out. You're saying they value politics more
than their personal pain.
\_ Stop Trolling.
\_ It's a valid point. Calling it a troll
doesn't magically make it go away. What
you simple mindedly call a troll is the
very thing being debated, fool.
\_ Paula Jones charged that there wasn't consent. While defending
himself from the lawsuit, Clinton lied about Lewinsky and
tried to get her to lie about it. That's a bit worse.
\_ technically, a bj isn't sexual intercourse, so he sort of told
a half-truth instead.
\_ Don't get all lawyerly on us. You're now comparing a bj
of an intern that worked for BC to some random and nameless
women who, days before we vote, suddenly start claiming
he touched them. Gee, what a shocker.
\_ did you miss the part below where this is old news?
It's only sudden news in the American media.
\_ Let's put the woman issues aside for now. Do you want someone
spends $100k on car washes annually, $4k on haircut, etc to manage
your state's budget? If he's elected, I wouldn't be surprised
if he authorizes a hummer for every elected officials.
\_ 1) you're stupid, there's a difference between what he does
with his own money, and our money . . . just like there is
a difference between how he runs his businesses and his
personal life.
\_ TBD.
2) if he authorizes hummers, then I'm running for office
(for either kind).
\_ Does it bother you that BC held up airport traffic so he could
get a haircut?
\_ You know this never happened right?
\_ I know for a fact it did, thanks. History isn't so easily
rewritten.
\_ it didn't cost us $87b.
\_ good way to divert the topic and ignore the point. well
no, not really actually since you're busted doing it.
\_ i fear the candidate who wants to make money being Governor
so he can do the things you describe
\_ Arnold has lots of money and he is doing that already.
What I fear is not Arnold but his *advisors*. You see,
Arnold is not going to run California. He is just a puppet.
"When your muscles feel like they are about to explode, when you are sure
that you can't do another rep, you stop- Only if you want to come in
second place." -Arnold Schwarzenegger.
\_ Uhm, no. I don't.
\_ gropes or not, you have to admire him. -ax |
| 2003/10/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10425 Activity:very high |
10/2 Let's see, in the last week we've had:
The Plame Affair
Rush gets fired from ESPN for being a racist
Rush gets exposed as a pill popper
Arnold admits being a groper and harasser of women
Kay says WMD will not be found in Iraq
Iraqis riot outside police station claiming bribes required to apply
Yay for right wing meltdown week!
\_ Neo-cons are just trying to make republicans look bad temporarily
so people will either keep Davis or put in Bustamante. That way
they can still blame the mess in California on the Democrats
when Bush runs for re-election. Just a theory. ;)
\_ You read alt.conspiracy every day too, huh?
\_ Nope, just naturally paranoid.
\_ - Claims of Rush being a racist are absurd--the comment was on the
media. The criticisms of Rush's comment have been racist.
\_ "I think what we've had here is a little social concern in
the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black
quarterback do well." -Rush Limbaugh
racism 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
prejudice 2 a (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning
formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge
\_ The second part of the quote: "There is a little hope
invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the
performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The
defense carried this team." --- Anyone that knows
football knows that this is blatantly wrong. McNabb has
been incredible on the field. This is Rush showing his
bias against black QB's, and then not understanding
why everyone else was saying he was so good, and
therefore attributing the media accolades to media
racism. -nivra
\_ whether Rush is right or not on his opinion is
irrelevant. The question is whether his statements
are racist or not. Rush's statements never implied
that McNabb is bad because he is black. he was talking
about the media. In fact, Rush thinks McNabb is
good, but not as good as he is portrayed by the media
\_ His statement belies the fact that he has a lower
opinion of McNabb's worth than the media. His
attribution of this difference due to race belies
the fact that he thinks about race himself, and
believes that the media does as well. This is
racial prejudice. -nivra
\_ Wow, that's a cool way to flip everything on it's
head! Rhetoric 100 with Jameson?
\_ Rush's opinion:
McNabb = +3
Media Perception:
McNabb = +6
Rush's goal: explain the +3 difference
between reality and perception.
Rush thinks McNabb is good, but not
+6 good.
\_ That's double-plus good, brother.
\_ Ignoring the point, but nice attempt
at creating a false reply with a
witty literary reference.
\_ Agreed. The charge of racism lies in how he
chose to explain the extra +3. The fact that
his knee-jerk reaction was media "race" bias,
combined with the other factors I mentioned
below, such as his implicit support of people
who have outright expressed racism, such as
Lott (albeit when he let his guard down),
point to the fact that he is most _likely_
racist. Not definitely, just likely. -nivra
\_ If being knee-jerk about accusations of
racism makes one racist, then just look to
your left to find all the racism you can
stand.
\_ let's face it. We all have prejudices
of some sort. all of us, white, yellow,
black. I guess the Right thinks that
the Left only thinks the Right is
racist. In reality, we all have
prejudiced views one way or another.
The Left is as guilty as the Right
in these things.
\_ I can read the dictionary, moron. His comment is that the
media is making a bigger deal of the QB than they should
because of his race (that is, the press want to present a
good example of a black QB). That is a criticism that the
media is racist.
\_ Analogous statement:
"Colin Powell only got appointed because he was black."
\_ Your analogy would be better if Colin Powell was
an elected official --aaron
\_ fixed.
\_ except it's still wrong.
\_ And before Rush stuck his stupid head into this, nobody
had mentioned race at all. McNabb was judged on his
acheivements as an *individual*. Only after the dumbass
made his "commentary" was McNabb being judged as a
*representative of the black race.* *Rush* is the one
obsessed with race, not the sports media. Clearly you
are NOT a football fan or a follower of the sport.
\_ He's not saying that and you know. He was commenting
on the press making the guy into a better athlete
than he is *because the press* wants to see a black
QB doing well. Anything else is from your own head.
\_ I'm a different poster from the above. I agree
that his comments are more directed towards the
media overhyping black quarterbacks than a statement
on McNabb being not good because he is black.
\_ But the media isn't overhyping black quarterbacks.
\_ But they are.
\_ ... which is why he's racist.
\_ You have terrible logic. The media
isn't overhyping black quarterbacks.
This implies that Rush thinks that
McNabb is not as good as he really is.
This does not imply at all that he
thinks that McNabb is not good because
he's black. Rush may have thought that.
But he certainly didn't say that or even
imply it.
-not generally someone to defend Rush
\_ Mm, I think it's pretty clear that Rush
is suggesting there's some sort of
affirmative-action effect going on
for the black person.
\_ That doesn't make him racist.
I know that affirmative action
Logically, you are correct. _/exists. I know that some
You cannot conclude that minorities got into Berkeley
Rush must be a racist from because of their race. I mean
his statement. However, this is a fact. I know this
taking into account: fact. Therefore, I'm racist?
1) He was wrong about the I know. This is different
presumed media bias. because Rush was wrong about the
2) His reasoning that affirmative action, but it still
identified race as the doesn't make him racist. Maybe
most likely reason for he thinks that McNabb isn't
his assumed media that good (maybe because he's
overestimation. racist, or maybe because he doesn't
3) His history record of like the Eagles, who knows). And
conservativeness, and then he thinks that the media has
support of conservatives a bias towards blacks. He puts
who have been blatantly these 2 ideas together. That's not
racist. enough to conclude that he's racist.
One can conclude it is \_ I agree. -- not white
likely that he iss a racist \_ me too.,
or at the minimum, has \_ You go through such logical
racial prejudices. -nivra contortions to defend this idiotic
\_ are you saying that windbag, and then you wonder why
conservatives are black people think white folks
racist? are out to get them.
\_ reread, then see Lott, \_ Please see the definitions
Trent & Dixiecrats -op of racism and prejudice again.
\_ see new upcoming
thread
\_ dude, this is hard to \_
format. how do you do 2: discriminatory or abusive
it? behavior towards members of another race.
overwrite-mode _/ I don't see Rush being a racist based on
-nivra the definition of racist.
exists. I know that some
minorities got into Berkeley
because of their race. I mean
this is a fact. I know this
fact. Therefore, I'm racist?
I know. This is different
because Rush was wrong about the
\_ he's controvserial because he has
opinions that not everyone shares, only
about 25 million people listen to his
radio show every day.
affirmative action, but it still
doesn't make him racist. Maybe
he thinks that McNabb isn't
that good (maybe because he's
racist, or maybe because he doesn't
like the Eagles, who knows). And
then he thinks that the media has
a bias towards blacks. He puts
these 2 ideas together. That's not
\_ The statement is actually more clearly described as
"racially insensitive". However, some of the
secondary definitions of "racist" cover racially
insensitive remarks.
\_ "racially insensitive" is a meaningless phrase.
it means whatever a self-created victim wants it
to mean.
enough to conclude that he's racist.
\_ I agree.
\_ Thanks, so your answer is "zero, but I read what
some other guys think!"
\_ I agree. -- not white
\_ me too.
\_ You go through such logical
contortions to defend this idiotic
windbag, and then you wonder why
black people think white folks
are out to get them.
\_ Please see the definitions
of racism and prejudice again.
\_
\_ dude, this is hard to \_ Please see the definitions
format. how do you do of racism and prejudice again.
\_ What part of "independently confirmed" do you not
understand?
\_ You know what an "allegation" is? It's what the
National Enquirer reports after paying off someone's
maid.
it? \_
2: discriminatory or abusive
behavior towards members of another race.
I don't see Rush being a racist based on
the definition of racist.
\_ irrelevant whether or not it is true that
the media is overhyping black quarterbacks.
it is just an opinion. he was hired by ESPN
to be controversial and not a typical
sports commentator patsy.
\_ The reason he's "controversial" is because
he's bigoted.
\_ what about all those people and sports
writers trying to promote the
"Great White Hope"
\_ I'm a Tom voter. I still think doing a hit job a few
days before the vote is incerdibly transparent.
\_ Rush *IS* a racist. Period. He is also a homophobe.
His show is filled with hateful comments, with
hints of truth in them. A hint of truth != a pound
of objective reality.
\_ He may be a racist, but the statement he is being
criticized for was not racist.
\_ The statement is actually more clearly described as
"racially insensitive". However, some of the
secondary definitions of "racist" cover racially
insensitive remarks.
\_ Curious, how many hours have you listened to his show?
\_ http://www.fair.org/articles/limbaugh-color.html
- Rush story about pills is in the National Enquirer. Please, if
you're going to discount conservative sources, discount tabloids
too at least.
\_ Which took 7 weeks and only got printed a week
from the election? You really believe the LA
Times isn't grinding an axe and this is good
journalism??
- The Arnold story is old--it's troubling, but so is the holding back
of the story until the week before the election.
\_ Idiot. Even Fox is covering this:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98871,00.html
\_ "The New York Daily News, without identifying its source,
reported Thursday that Limbaugh was being investigated by the
Palm Beach County (search) state attorney's office. The
newspaper said it had independently confirmed the
allegations, which were first reported by the supermarket
tabloid the National Enquirer."
Source is still the National Enquirer.
\_ What part of "independently confirmed" do you not
understand?
- The Arnold story is old--it's troubling, but so is the holding
back of the story until the week before the election.
\_ Tell that to all the women he humiliated and who didn't pursue
charges for fear of losing their job.
"What could you do? He was the highest-paid actor in the world.
I was a peon," [one victim] said. "The only thing you could do
is stay away from him."
\_ Wah! A week before an election I've got no sympathy. If
they were so concerned we should've heard about it 2 months
ago (or more). But that wouldn't have been politically
useful.
\_ Actually, we did hear about his behavior. Anyway Arnie
admitted it. But if you already thought Arnie is the sort
of person you want to see be the governor, I doubt this
information would change your mind. Arnie has too much
subconscious goodwill from being a movie star.
\_ It was in a UK newspaper shortly after he announced his
candidacy. The LA Times just sat on it to release it 1
week before the election.
\_ You could also say that the LA Times had spent the
last seven weeks collecting as many cases as they could,
so Arnold couldn't just dismiss it as an isolated
incident. The reporters wanted to show a lifetime
pattern of behavior. Irrespective of the political
edge to it, doesn't it change voters opinions of Arnold,
especially for the women voters?
\_ Then why was there no new information in the LA Times
story? It had the same info as the UK story.
\_ The general idea is the same, but the specific
examples are either reconfirmed through re-
interviews, or entirely new.
- In Kuwait, WMD smugglers were caught trafficking $60M of chemical
weapons OUT of Iraq.
\_ Which has about as much credibility as the Enquirer story,
so shut the hell up.
- (I haven't heard the Iraqi police story) |
| 2003/10/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:10426 Activity:nil 83%like:10412 |
10/1 WND FOUND!
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34881
Take that, you liberals!
\_ how many different times have they claimed simaller things?
What about that strange boat that was uspopsed to be floating
in the gulf FILLED with WMDs? What about all those WMDs that
that turned out to be fertelizer?
\_ Judging by the other stories on the site, this paper's not
the most credible thing around. Let's see what the story looks
like when reported by a more respected source.
\_ Saying "$60 million in chemical weapons" is stupid. Joe Sixpack
is supposed to go "OOH SIXTY MILLION THAT'S A LOT", but how much
is that? A pint of sarin? Is there a "commodity market" where we
can convert this into real information instead of bullshit money
numbers? This reminds me of the news stories about drug seizures
with absolutely ridiculous dollar values in them. --aaron
\_ Isn't that what about 20 mp3's are worth according to the
RIAA lawsuites?
\_ top headline on http://worldnetdaily.com
"'Baby Samuel' speaks before Senate panel
Remarkable photo showed boy's hand
reaching from womb during surgery "
\_ You've got to love their book promotion:
"Who really killed JFK?"
\_ We can do without leftists posting from known crap sites pretending
to be something else. "Take that, you liberals!"? WTF conservative
would *ever* say something so infantile? The insult is not that
you'd do such a lame job pretending to be a conservative but that
you see as us being that stupid. If we were as stupid as you would
like to think we'd have Darwin'd out decades ago. Go post your
own pro-lefty trolls. You'll note no conservative replies
attempting to defend this nonsense. You're just masturbating the
other leftists. --real conservative
\_ This is the funniest post all week. Thank you!
\_ uh, yeah thanks, whatever, I'm also the anonymous motd comic
\_ You have obviously not spent much time on the Free Republic
website. But hey, you gotta admit that it was a good troll.
\_ I visited and rejected free republic. They're mostly not
conservatives, which is a philosophy, but haters no different
than the spewage on the motd from the leftists here. --rc
\_ And there's no spewage from right wingers here? Are you
blind or just willfully ignorant?
\_ I said nothing of the sort. Don't put words in my
mouth. Read what I said and stop making false
assumptions. Or just learn to read. |
| 2003/10/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10427 Activity:moderate |
10/2 Hey, everyone who was calling Bustamante and Davis "oily" should
check this out:
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/6913655.htm
\_ He's spending his own money. The twist is he just wants to get it
back afterwards. This is a "rich person's advantage" more than
a loophole. Post again when you want to have laws that eliminate
the advantage that people with money have.
\_ Guess you didn't see the part about the law he was violating?
\_ Do you understand what "loophole" means? Irrespective of
the implicit bias that goes along with the reporter saying it
was one.
\_ Mmm mmm, and dodging the spirit of a law through a loophole
is ethical how? Oh wait, I get it, this is part of that
whole "Republicans can do no wrong, Democrats can do no
right thing."
\_ First of all, "loophole" means it wasn't illegal.
Second, it's the reporter's, the Berkeley attorney's,
and your opinion that the spirit of the law is being
broken. I don't have the same opinion.
\_ Right, because you're a republican, see above.
\_ Actually, I'm a Democrat. I think the article
is weak, and you need to throw something that
sticks. Like Arnold sexually assaulting women
or Wilson's CIA wife being outed or Rush
making a stupid statement as an NFL commentator.
\_ Wrong. Loopholes are following the word of the law
while avoiding the intent of the law. If Bustamante
were rich, he could "loan" himself millions and then
the casinos could cover them after the election.
\_ ^Wrong^Right. Otherwise the rest of what
you said is accurate.
\_ Yeah, I was smoking one of my 4 joints.
\_ Did you at least share with the anecdotal
cop?
\_ ``Wealthy candidates can loan their campaigns more
than $100,000, then have special interests repay
their loans. Proposition 34 closes this loophole,''
That's what the ballot initative said. That's what
voters voted for. But I guess your opinion is
that Arnold is not acting in a contrary fashion to
what is described above. -nivra
\_ The only problem is, why does the reporter
call it a loophole then? It would certainly
have more impact if the headline said,
"Arnold violates campaign finance law ..."
\_ Perhaps he (or his editor) feels that's better
left for the court to decide. The lawyer
quoted states clearly that he believes it's
against the "letter and spirit of the law",
and thus is suing. --scotsman
\_ Did no one read the damn article? Because the
FPPC ruled ~1 yr ago that personal loans
received by the candidate from a bank
>100,000 would be allowed only if the bank
is doing this during its normal course of
business. I don't know why the FPPC ruled
this way, but it certainly goes against the
way the intent of the law as it was phrased
to the voters on the ballot. -nivra
\_ Because Arnie is doing the same thing that Bustamante
was doing, but Arnie gets away with it because he's
rich. That's literally how self-loaning works.
Bustamante isn't worth $4M but Arnie is. So he makes
the loan, and after the election, someone else pays
for it. Voters get the details later. Bustamante had
to report whose covering the loan for him before the
election. Hell, the Indian casinos may be covering
Arnie's action too. Loophole... |
| 2003/10/2-3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:10428 Activity:nil |
10/2 Go go go!
soda [177] wc /etc/motd
827 6559 43252 /etc/motd |
| 2003/10/2-3 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:10429 Activity:nil |
10/2 Wow, David Kay just reported that there aren't any WMDs, and now Bush
asks for another $600 million to keep looking (on top of the $300
million already spent). Almost a billion to look for something that
isn't there! Go team!
\_ I'll bet you were one of the people who wanted to give the UN a few
more years to look only this spring.
\_ Oh right, the reason they're not finding them right now is
because Saddam won't give them access to the palaces. Wake
the fuck up.
\_ No, because either a) they've been moved, b) they're well
hidden, c) they were destroyed, or d) they never existed.
(d) no one thinks this. (c) is possible but can't be
documented. (b) can only be proved if they're found, can
never be disproved. (a) same as (b). Unlike you I've put
real thought into it and understand that whether or not any
are ever found has nothing to do with whether or not they
existed or when. |
| 2003/10/2-3 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:10430 Activity:low |
10/2 someone posted a web page to access our soda mail, what was it
again? thx.
\_ I think it was shot down as insecure.
\_ John says everything is insecure so we should just do it. |
| 2003/10/2-3 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:10431 Activity:nil |
10/2 Longest. motd. Ever!
soda [114] wc /etc/motd
721 5798 37683 /etc/motd
23 threads, 689 lines, 189 replies, 30.0 lines/thread, 8.2 replies/thread
stddev: 42.4 9.4 |
| 2003/10/2-3 [Consumer/CellPhone] UID:10432 Activity:nil |
10/2 What are LG phones, are they any good?
\_ LG used to be called 'Lucky Goldstar'. They now make all kinds of
electronics. I got an LG VX1 phone ~1 year ago. I'm quite happy
with it, although the phone book interface is a little awkward. I
heard they improved it on later models, though. |
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