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2003/10/1-3 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/WWW/Server] UID:10390 Activity:nil |
10/1 OpenSSL vulnerabilities. Patchpatchpatch... http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20030930.txt -John \_ is it enough to get install the new ssl rpm or does my mod_ssl need to be recompiled? \_ depends on whether mod_ssl is linked statically or not. I believe it's not since the only new RedHat updates that showed up today are openssl ones. In general, they a rarely use static linking, so to update a library, you just need to install the new library rpm and not worry about the applications that use it. \_ My new plan. Fuck ssh/ssl. I'm changing all external connections to vpn-only and then filtering the shit out of who is allowed to even try to connect to that. \_ Oh *that* will work. Because we all know that every VPN solution out there is utterly foolproof and secure. Nobody ever cracked DES or IOS. Blanket statements like that are incredibly ignorant and dangerous (although if it makes you feel safer, go ahead.) There is nothing fundamentally wrong with OpenSSH/SSL--no computer or software is or will ever be 100% secure. Just patch the fucking thing and get on with your life. There'll be others. -John \_ You're so ... manly! when you talk about security, John. It makes my heart go "thump! thump! thump!" Can I have your love child? Your IPSEC key? \_ DOS vulnerability. Not remote exploit. |
2003/10/1 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:10391 Activity:nil |
9/30 I'm not a very mathy person, but I've found myself in dire need of a good root-finding algorithm. I've currently got a piece of software that uses Mueller's Method -- but it sometimes generates whack results that crash a rather twitchy third party piece of software as it iterates. The curves I'm examining can be assumed to be monotonic. Can I do better than Mueller's, or am I SOL? TIA. -mice \_ Use Mathworld to look up 'root finding' and find the root finding method which will work best for the kind of function you have. Using mathworld for this sort of thing is a good meta-skill to learn. \_ you'd probably find a numerical analysis text more useful than mathworld. try checking one out at a college library if you can. there are not that many root-finding methods that are actually used much in real life. \_ One technique to explore-- see if you can parameterize your curve on some region of interest by a [0,1] lambda. I.e.. munge your algebra around until you can get a diff from root as a function of some linear parameter. If your curve is nice, consider golden section or binary search. Another thing to do is just chop up lambda into increments, evaluate diff, and pick the best guess at root (or refine search in a region of the best approx from a linear visit across lambda). Not the niftiest method in the universe, but it gets the job done. |
2003/10/1 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:10392 Activity:nil |
9/30 Does anyone know the labor laws in here in CA? Are employers allowed to force their employees to take breaks? \_ Force? There are labor laws on the books to protect you. \_ Oh evil boss man! Please don't make me stop working yet continue to pay me! Oh and stop buying me free lunch and snacks too! Woe! |
2003/10/1 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10393 Activity:nil |
9/30 Bustamante: "They are against food" http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/insider \_ You know, it's sad how little the context redeems this quote. \_ I'm tempted to read the link but I think I'll skip this one. \_ Ok, I lied. It was too much. I understand what he was _trying_ to say after thinking about it in context but he's still an anti-American, blame-America-first, kill-whitey kinda guy. |
2003/10/1 [Uncategorized] UID:10394 Activity:nil |
9/30 Bard's Tale is back: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/thebardstale/news_6076186.html \_ BT was better off dead. Let me explain combat: round 1: two front line characters die, cleric resurrects both, wizard kills a few hundred monsters with 1 spell wizard kills a few monsters with 1 spell round 2: repeat round 1 until out of monsters |
2003/10/1 [Academia/GradSchool] UID:10395 Activity:nil |
9/30 My friend says Berkeley CS MS is reserved for Berkeley CS PhD rejects-- in another word if you kick ass and applied PhD but got rejected, they'll offer you the MS with the possibility of going into PhD. Is that a rumor or is that true? Any UCB grad student wanna confirm this? \_ The question is about Cal, but I believe this policy tends to be true for all schools. \_ It is true for Texas aerospace eng. and Cal math at a minimum. The master's is a consolation prize. This probably varies by dept. as well. Public policy has a thriving master's program. --dim \_ don't have an answer, but if it were true then isn't it better to apply to PhD and hope you'll get deferred to the MS program rather than applying to MS directly? \_ no, no, it's if you get IN to the PhD program, pass your classes and quals (if applicable) but either a) choose to leave the program at that point or b) are asked to leave before you finish your defence. Thus "consolation prize" -- you're trying to get a PhD, you don't make it for one reason or another. This sort of thing is confined to things where you tend to go for a PhD stright from undergrad, like CS. Exception: Stanford-style pay-throught-the-nose-support-the-PhD-students terminal masters, and some speciality programs (HCI at CMU) -chialea \_ There are two ways to get a masters. One way is you get in on a masters program and you do your time and you get the degree and alls well. When you do that you tend to take a very different course load than the first 2 years of a PhD program because well, you know you are only going to be there for 2 years. The other way is you start out as a PhD, and after a few years there you get a masters somewhere (depends on the program, but at some milestone most PhD programs give a masters) and then realize you really don't have what it is going to take to get a PhD, drop out and voila, you have a masters. |
2003/10/1 [Computer/SW] UID:10396 Activity:low |
10/1 I think I just f*'ed up a $500K software sale.... happens to everyone, right? \_ No, only sales guys. \_ Were you on the buying or selling end? If you were the buyer, then you just earned a raise, bonus, *and* promotion. There's precious little software out there worth $500k. If you were the seller, I suggest you go rent a copy of GG/GR. \_ really curious... how do you think you f'ed it up? \_ How much would you have had from it, if this sale did go through? Just curious.. |
2003/10/1 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:10397 Activity:moderate |
10/1 I mailed in my voter registeration and absentee ballot request in the SAME envelope. But today I got a reply from the county saying their system does not show I am registered hence they couldn't mail me the absentee ballot. How stupid is that? Now it is past the deadline for both the registration and the basentee ballot. I wanted to exercise my right as a citizen but stupid Santa Clara County just won't allow me to do it. \_ Are you black, mexican, gay pedophile or transgendered - if so contact the ACLU to sue. Too bad you're name is not Jose or Juan-Carlos, then you could vote as many times as you want. \_ Oh you poor overprivileged bastard. If only you were allowed to commit voter fraud.. \_ Yeah, because as the ACLU would tell you, only minorities are too stupid to figure out a ballot or how to register. They don't mean it to be patronizing or anything. They just understand the 'difficulties' people from other cultures have with our Whitey controlled electoral system. \_ Yeah, because we only update the voting facilities of white communities. Why bother with absentee ballots? They've all been invalidated since Arianna dropped out of the election. \_ Arianna dropping out invalidates nothing. You're a nut. That's like saying Marey Carey and that dwarf dropped out so it invalidates them. Nonsense. Huffington shouldn't have even been in the debates with poll numbers so low. \_ Well now you can refuse all responsibility for whatever stupidity Juan-Carlos, then you could ote as many times as you want. comes out of it, with a clean conscience. \_ No, it's now partially his fault if something stupid happens and he would've voted for something else. We need more people like you around to not vote so my vote means more. |
2003/10/1 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:10398 Activity:low |
10/1 Joseph C. Wilson:"The issue is really transfer of WMD to terrorist groups which had never occurred before in Saddam's regime but now that he is toast don't be surprised if as his last act of defiance he does precisely that." http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/zforum/03/sp_iraq_wilson040303.htm \_ No wonder Bush went after his wife... \_ He's an interesting mix of brilliant policy analysis and standard State Department globalism and anti-American cynicism. He'd probably have been a really good guy to have in office if the State Department hadn't destroyed his ability to see clearly. \_ Nazi's also believed their country could do no wrong.. \_ Bing! We have a Hitler reference on reply #2, could we get a clean-up crew in here? Thanks. \_ Did I win? I wrote the thing the Nazi posted replied to. |
2003/10/1 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:10399 Activity:nil |
10/1 http://www.drudgereport.com/matt.htm 30 years? damn. \_ hell, if she's not as sexy as the Alias girl who cares? \_ no, she's hotter "slim, blonde ... In the photos in his office, she has the looks of a film star. 'She is really quite amazing,' Wilson said." Wash Post \_ 30 years? What about 30 years? \_ Valerie Plame has been undercover for 3 decades \_ 3 decades != 30 years... 3 decades could be 14 years: 1989-2003 \_ 3 decades! damn! (Oh and given that she trained someone who quit in 1989 and was in the service for 4 years I suspect more than 14, but the whole Plame is 40 thing makes much more than 18 years seem unlikely.) \_ another interesting perspective: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20031001.shtml \_ jesus. novak's own column makes him look like an utter idiot. \_ I agree. For one, he claims the Washington Post report about leaking the wife's name as "simply untrue" without providing any evidence. Second, when the CIA rep asked not to publish her name, and said it would cause "difficulties" if it were, what does Novak expect? For the CIA rep to say, "She's covert, so you can't report her name". \_ The CIA should just execute Novak. |
2003/10/1 [Computer/SW/P2P] UID:10400 Activity:nil |
10/1 http://wired.com/news/mp3/0,1285,60650,00.html Chuck D and LL Cool J face off about file sharing. Guess the shil, win a teddy bear! \_ they both sound like utter morons \_ this is some sort of surprise coming from guys who call themselves "Chuck D" and "LL Cool J"? think about it. |
2003/10/1 [Computer/SW/Editors, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:10401 Activity:nil |
10/1 sex.exe, can't get rid of it, can't find it on hd. how to get rid of? \_ Install woman.exe. \_ format, reinstall OS \_ Isn't that the NullSoft text editor? Pretty harmless, isn't it? \_ it's more likely some virus, worm, or bomb. \_ http://www.nullsoft.com/free/sex \_ foolish mortal. nothing says his binary is the one from your url. also nothing says the binary at your url isn't infected from another source or isn't a v/w/b also. for example, go check out the software versions the zonelabs guys are using. they're a software security outfit that doesn't keep their own servers up to date. why would you expect any better from guys who wrote a text editor? trust no one! stay alert! keep your laser handy! |
2003/10/1 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/OS/VM] UID:10402 Activity:nil |
10/1 I'm installing WinXP for the first time on a test box just to see it. I'm not even done with the basic install and it's already doing all this automated 'dont worry, ill make that really important decision for you, you dumbass consumer!' shit. I'm getting shivers.... I'm doing it inside a virtual-pc so at least it can't fuck up anything too much. I hope. \_ I've been using XP pro for a while now; as a game and just-doing- superficial-type-work-box (writing docs and browsing) it has been pretty decent. I don't trust it with anything important (all my storage and security and whatnot is on a couple of FreeBSD boxes) so the relationship is a happy one. -John |
2003/10/1-2 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:10403 Activity:nil |
10/1 I'm on solaris and trying to increase the number of open file descriptors my processes can have. I've used limit and ulimit under zsh and bash, respectively, to set these to say, 400. limit and ulimit -a apparently confirm these changes. But when I write a program to test this out, it still fails after the default of 256 open files. Any idea what I might be doing wrong? Thanks. \_ The number 256 should've clued you in on what's going on. \_ umm, duh. the question is why is it still at 256... \_ yes, and you apparently missed the boat by a mile. 256 is 2^8. You're calling a clib function. Think about it. It's not that hard.... \_ umm, again, no. you're probably missing the boat by several miles then. do you even know c? or perhaps you're just way over my head, in which case you should explain to mere mortals what gems can be found in your seemingly idiotic comments. \_ Each time a file is opened space is allocated for a new file descriptor. The descriptors are in an array. In order to find an empty slot in the descriptor array the kernel has to traverse the list. During the early days of SunOS this was found to be rather expensive. So instead a bit field was devised in order to determine used and open descriptor slots. And guess what they used for the bit field, a byte. Since process info has to be stored in kernel memory, this was seen as saving space, so each process had an associated bit field for the descriptor array. Hence the 256 limit. \_ welcome to a new century. the default hard limit is now 1024. see below, limit is 256 only for standard library functions, and this is removed on 64 bit solaris 7. go figure. and i did say solaris, not old SunOS. \_ Solaris max is 256 for 32-bit apps. See rlim_fd_max in http://docs.sun.com/db/doc/816-0607/6m735r5ev?a=view \_ grr. well, that's not quite true. it turns out to be 256 for standard library calls, like fopen. you can do 1024 using open(). unfortunately, python seems to use fopen. |
2003/10/1-2 [Uncategorized] UID:10404 Activity:nil |
10/01 John's its-ugly-its-really-ugly link of the day: http://www.nylug.org/images/adler_images/linux_nylug_booth.jpg \_ Grow up. -alexf \_ Jealous? \_ Of what? The original poster's misanthropic tendencies? No, not particularly. -alexf \_ Misanthropic? Hardly. It's just a painful reality. \_ this makes me want to stop using linux \_ How come their lug gets an orangutan? \_ I don't get it. \_ Do you look like any of those guys? \_ ITS NERD HEAVEN! YES! THIS IS THE WAY TO NAB THE H0T CHIX!11 L1UNX R0X Y0R S0X! They all appear to come from the same very limited gene pool. |
2003/10/1-3 [Industry/Jobs] UID:10405 Activity:low |
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2003/10/1 [Uncategorized] UID:10406 Activity:nil |
10/01 Damn, why are you dredging up shit from the archives? What you did was repost a slim part of a longer section of the motd out of context. You added nothing to it. If you want to troll at least be original. |
2003/10/1-3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10407 Activity:kinda low |
10/1 Informal CSUA voting. Please vote only once (don't be a hozer). Recall Davis Yes: ................................................................. ................................................................. ................. No: ........... \_ I like how the number of No votes changed from 5 to 9 votes in the space of two minutes ... hoser. \_ What about the number of yes votes? Sheesh...Besides, saying "don't be a hoser" on the motd is like asking people to spare the air by not breathing for a few days. \_ The No votes showed the ballot stuffing first. The Yes votes only appeared after I pointed this out. I feel like a moron. \_ trust your feelings. \_ Yo, it's a motd poll. Whatever. That's to both of you. Bustmante: ....... Camejo: . Schwarzenegger: ...... Tom: ... georgy@soda: ... !psb: .. \_ does the fact that Arnie is an idiot, knows nothing of government, and refuses to give any specifics of what he will do not bother you? \_ your opinion doesn't bother me at all but I'm voting for TM because his views most closely match my own on topics important to me that the governor has some control over. I hope that properly answered your loaded & rhetorical question. \_ well if you're voting for TM I wasn't talking to you. \_ you weren't talking to anyone. it was rhetorical. \_ According to the L.A. Times poll, everyone knows he has considerably less experience than the mainstream candidates, but he ranks at the top in leadership. I think of Arnie as someone who wasn't in the club when he got to America, but leveraged his musclebuilding into acting, then into small community contributions, running businesses, and then ending up governor of California. I think people approve of this. Implicitly, they do not consider him an idiot. As for not giving specifics, people are motivated primarily by "kick the bums out" and avoiding "business as usual". They are satisfied as well when he says it will be "Governor Arnold, not Governor Wilson". By the way, someone is overwriting posts like mad (not just mine). \_ Ok. Well, I'll actually vote No on recall and Yes on Arnie. Just because I hate Bustamante. \_ Just curious, why do you hate him? Because he's Mexican? \_ Why do you automatically assume race is an issue? \_ Bustamante is a twink. He also has zero charisma. \_ Bustamente seems more oily than Davis. As much as Davis has dissed him, he seemed to salivate over the revenge aspect of running against Davis and leading in the polls, more than wanting to save CA. \_ Wowwee, now that's what I call an informed opinion. \_ Well, if you want something more hard, he's a part of the Democratic establishment that increased spending to a level where we're in the hole that we are now. They shouldn't be rewarded by replacing one Democrat for another. In any case, do you disagree with my earlier characterization? Doesn't it just SEEM right? \_ I firmly disagree. Its fairly obvious that your prejudice against anything Democratic is clouding your judgement. You need to relax. \_ actually, I am a Democrat. They just overspent by way too much. Bustamante and Davis should not be representing this party, and those politicians may have gotten too full of themselves, what with the "conservative" stupidity going on in the rest of the country. \_ I think our idiotic initiative system, the special interests that have ruined it, and the stupid California voters that passed the budget restrictions that lock up 2/3rds in the money in this state are the real villians. Not to mention Enron and the other energy companies that screwed us. I don't know why I bring this up though, because it gets deleted every time I do. \_ Wah! I write to a dynamic file that hundreds have access to and my posts are so brilliant it must be that i'm being silenced! its a VRWC i tell ya! \_ It still doesn't change the fact that Davis brought up the deficit after he got elected, and attacked Riordan so he could face Simon. He's a coward. \_ I love this complaint. It's as if no one had the opportunity to say "We're in trouble on the budget" other than Davis. Was he doing the numbers in his closet? \_ And how is replacing him with someone with zero political experience and a cabal of Pete Wilson advisors going to solve our problems? \_ It sends a message, one. Two, Arnie's governance would be one of delegating responsibilities. It really doesn't work in Dubya's administration, but I think it might work better on the state level. He's a different person than Ventura, very charismatic, and it might just work. \_ right, Ventura's politics were/are way better. \_ I can't see what facts you are basing number 1 or number 2 on, so I guess I'll just have to think that you're going on some sort of faith in Arnold's powers. Fair enough. I for one am concerned about a government of ex-Wilson cronies, as Wilson was a terrible governor. I also think Arnold's effectiveness is going to be questionable given a firmly Democratic legislature and voting public, not to mention the strangeness of the budget process given that 2/3rd voting requirement and all the spending mandates. I also think he's going to be subject to a recall of his own, and I'm very afraid given the state of California politics that we will soon be subjected to an endless series of tit for tat recalls. _/ It's not that I think Arnold will do a better job, but he hasn't demonstrated the cowardice that Davis has (see earlier post). Arnold has the promise of doing an adequate job. You're all about, "Who's likely to do the best job?" which is entirely valid. I'm all about, "Davis showed he was a coward, boot him. I don't want my vote indicating I condone his practices" which to me, trumps that. \_ I wouldn't call it cowardice. Just plain brutal cynicism. Davis is a bastard. \_ Fair enough, thanks for the reasonable debate (on the motd no less!). I guess we'll just have to see how it all turns out, as Governor Arnold looks sort of inevitable at this point. For me, this is yet another reason to consider moving out of Cali (*sniff* *sniff*). \_ Arnold has demonstrated even more cowardice! He refused to debate Davis or the other candidates except that one scripted thing. He also refuses to say anything specific, for fear of criticism. \_ But you see, the Democrats have already had their chance. Arnold just had to show in the first debate that he wouldn't go psycho, and he didn't. That means I'm going to vote for him. I certainly don't blame your logic, since the L.A. Times uses it. \_ this is the thread that doesn't end it just goes on and on my friend some people started trolling it not knowing what it was and they just kept on trolling it forever just because this is the thread that never ends, it just goes on and on my friend. \_ I don't feel like writing an essay about the man. Suffice it to say, I disagree with his plans, I feel that he doesn't represent my interests, and I have a personal distaste for him based on what I've seen of what he says and how he operates. The "oily" description sums it up as much as anything. \_ I predict that Arnold will win and the first thing he will have to do is raise taxes, pissing off the Republicans to no end. -ausman \_ Shrug. I predict you're wrong. (heh) |
2003/10/1-3 [Industry/Jobs] UID:29551 Activity:nil |
10/01 http://www.taprootfoundation.org/about/index.shtml Has anyone here tried working with these guys? It sounds like a great idea in principle that is very difficult to pull off well in practice; I'm curious -- is it actually working? |
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