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| 2003/10/1-3 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/WWW/Server] UID:10390 Activity:nil |
10/1 OpenSSL vulnerabilities. Patchpatchpatch...
http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20030930.txt -John
\_ is it enough to get install the new ssl rpm or does my mod_ssl
need to be recompiled?
\_ depends on whether mod_ssl is linked statically or not. I believe
it's not since the only new RedHat updates that showed up today
are openssl ones. In general, they a rarely use static linking,
so to update a library, you just need to install the new library
rpm and not worry about the applications that use it.
\_ My new plan. Fuck ssh/ssl. I'm changing all external connections
to vpn-only and then filtering the shit out of who is allowed to
even try to connect to that.
\_ Oh *that* will work. Because we all know that every VPN
solution out there is utterly foolproof and secure. Nobody
ever cracked DES or IOS. Blanket statements like that are
incredibly ignorant and dangerous (although if it makes you
feel safer, go ahead.) There is nothing fundamentally
wrong with OpenSSH/SSL--no computer or software is or
will ever be 100% secure. Just patch the fucking thing
and get on with your life. There'll be others. -John
\_ You're so ... manly! when you talk about security, John.
It makes my heart go "thump! thump! thump!" Can I have
your love child? Your IPSEC key?
\_ DOS vulnerability. Not remote exploit. |
| 2003/10/1 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:10391 Activity:nil |
9/30 I'm not a very mathy person, but I've found myself in dire need of
a good root-finding algorithm. I've currently got a piece of
software that uses Mueller's Method -- but it sometimes generates
whack results that crash a rather twitchy third party piece of
software as it iterates. The curves I'm examining can be assumed to
be monotonic. Can I do better than Mueller's, or am I SOL? TIA. -mice
\_ Use Mathworld to look up 'root finding' and find the root finding
method which will work best for the kind of function you have.
Using mathworld for this sort of thing is a good meta-skill to learn.
\_ you'd probably find a numerical analysis text more useful than
mathworld. try checking one out at a college library if you can.
there are not that many root-finding methods that are actually
used much in real life.
\_ One technique to explore-- see if you can parameterize your
curve on some region of interest by a [0,1] lambda. I.e.. munge
your algebra around until you can get a diff from root as a
function of some linear parameter. If your curve is nice,
consider golden section or binary search. Another thing to do
is just chop up lambda into increments, evaluate diff, and
pick the best guess at root (or refine search in a region of
the best approx from a linear visit across lambda). Not the
niftiest method in the universe, but it gets the job done. |
| 2003/10/1 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:10392 Activity:nil |
9/30 Does anyone know the labor laws in here in CA? Are employers
allowed to force their employees to take breaks?
\_ Force? There are labor laws on the books to protect you.
\_ Oh evil boss man! Please don't make me stop working yet continue
to pay me! Oh and stop buying me free lunch and snacks too! Woe! |
| 2003/10/1 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10393 Activity:nil |
9/30 Bustamante: "They are against food"
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/insider
\_ You know, it's sad how little the context redeems this quote.
\_ I'm tempted to read the link but I think I'll skip this one.
\_ Ok, I lied. It was too much. I understand what he was _trying_
to say after thinking about it in context but he's still an
anti-American, blame-America-first, kill-whitey kinda guy. |
| 2003/10/1 [Uncategorized] UID:10394 Activity:nil |
9/30 Bard's Tale is back:
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/thebardstale/news_6076186.html
\_ BT was better off dead. Let me explain combat:
round 1: two front line characters die, cleric resurrects both,
wizard kills a few hundred monsters with 1 spell
wizard kills a few monsters with 1 spell
round 2: repeat round 1 until out of monsters |
| 2003/10/1 [Academia/GradSchool] UID:10395 Activity:nil |
9/30 My friend says Berkeley CS MS is reserved for Berkeley CS PhD
rejects-- in another word if you kick ass and applied PhD but
got rejected, they'll offer you the MS with the possibility of
going into PhD. Is that a rumor or is that true? Any UCB grad
student wanna confirm this?
\_ The question is about Cal, but I believe this policy tends to
be true for all schools.
\_ It is true for Texas aerospace eng. and Cal math at a minimum.
The master's is a consolation prize. This probably varies
by dept. as well. Public policy has a thriving master's program.
--dim
\_ don't have an answer, but if it were true then isn't it better
to apply to PhD and hope you'll get deferred to the MS program
rather than applying to MS directly?
\_ no, no, it's if you get IN to the PhD program, pass your classes
and quals (if applicable) but either a) choose to leave the
program at that point or b) are asked to leave before you finish
your defence. Thus "consolation prize" -- you're trying to get
a PhD, you don't make it for one reason or another. This
sort of thing is confined to things where you tend to go for
a PhD stright from undergrad, like CS. Exception: Stanford-style
pay-throught-the-nose-support-the-PhD-students terminal
masters, and some speciality programs (HCI at CMU) -chialea
\_ There are two ways to get a masters. One way is you get in on a
masters program and you do your time and you get the degree and
alls well. When you do that you tend to take a very different
course load than the first 2 years of a PhD program because well,
you know you are only going to be there for 2 years. The other
way is you start out as a PhD, and after a few years there you get
a masters somewhere (depends on the program, but at some milestone
most PhD programs give a masters) and then realize you really don't
have what it is going to take to get a PhD, drop out and voila,
you have a masters. |
| 2003/10/1 [Computer/SW] UID:10396 Activity:low |
10/1 I think I just f*'ed up a $500K software sale.... happens to
everyone, right?
\_ No, only sales guys.
\_ Were you on the buying or selling end? If you were the buyer,
then you just earned a raise, bonus, *and* promotion. There's
precious little software out there worth $500k. If you were the
seller, I suggest you go rent a copy of GG/GR.
\_ really curious... how do you think you f'ed it up?
\_ How much would you have had from it, if this sale did go through?
Just curious.. |
| 2003/10/1 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:10397 Activity:moderate |
10/1 I mailed in my voter registeration and absentee ballot request in
the SAME envelope. But today I got a reply from the county saying
their system does not show I am registered hence they couldn't
mail me the absentee ballot. How stupid is that? Now it is past
the deadline for both the registration and the basentee ballot. I
wanted to exercise my right as a citizen but stupid Santa Clara
County just won't allow me to do it.
\_ Are you black, mexican, gay pedophile or transgendered -
if so contact the ACLU to sue. Too bad you're name is not Jose or
Juan-Carlos, then you could vote as many times as you want.
\_ Oh you poor overprivileged bastard. If only you were allowed
to commit voter fraud..
\_ Yeah, because as the ACLU would tell you, only minorities are
too stupid to figure out a ballot or how to register. They
don't mean it to be patronizing or anything. They just
understand the 'difficulties' people from other cultures have
with our Whitey controlled electoral system.
\_ Yeah, because we only update the voting facilities of
white communities. Why bother with absentee ballots?
They've all been invalidated since Arianna dropped out
of the election.
\_ Arianna dropping out invalidates nothing. You're a nut.
That's like saying Marey Carey and that dwarf dropped out
so it invalidates them. Nonsense. Huffington shouldn't
have even been in the debates with poll numbers so low.
\_ Well now you can refuse all responsibility for whatever stupidity
Juan-Carlos, then you could ote as many times as you want.
comes out of it, with a clean conscience.
\_ No, it's now partially his fault if something stupid happens and
he would've voted for something else. We need more people like
you around to not vote so my vote means more. |
| 2003/10/1 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:10398 Activity:low |
10/1 Joseph C. Wilson:"The issue is really transfer of WMD to
terrorist groups which had never occurred before in
Saddam's regime but now that he is toast don't be surprised
if as his last act of defiance he does precisely that."
http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/zforum/03/sp_iraq_wilson040303.htm
\_ No wonder Bush went after his wife...
\_ He's an interesting mix of brilliant policy analysis and standard
State Department globalism and anti-American cynicism. He'd
probably have been a really good guy to have in office if the
State Department hadn't destroyed his ability to see clearly.
\_ Nazi's also believed their country could do no wrong..
\_ Bing! We have a Hitler reference on reply #2, could we
get a clean-up crew in here? Thanks.
\_ Did I win? I wrote the thing the Nazi posted replied to. |
| 2003/10/1 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:10399 Activity:nil |
10/1 http://www.drudgereport.com/matt.htm 30 years? damn. \_ hell, if she's not as sexy as the Alias girl who cares? \_ no, she's hotter "slim, blonde ... In the photos in his office, she has the looks of a film star. 'She is really quite amazing,' Wilson said." Wash Post \_ 30 years? What about 30 years? \_ Valerie Plame has been undercover for 3 decades \_ 3 decades != 30 years... 3 decades could be 14 years: 1989-2003 \_ 3 decades! damn! (Oh and given that she trained someone who quit in 1989 and was in the service for 4 years I suspect more than 14, but the whole Plame is 40 thing makes much more than 18 years seem unlikely.) \_ another interesting perspective: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20031001.shtml \_ jesus. novak's own column makes him look like an utter idiot. \_ I agree. For one, he claims the Washington Post report about leaking the wife's name as "simply untrue" without providing any evidence. Second, when the CIA rep asked not to publish her name, and said it would cause "difficulties" if it were, what does Novak expect? For the CIA rep to say, "She's covert, so you can't report her name". \_ The CIA should just execute Novak. |
| 2003/10/1 [Computer/SW/P2P] UID:10400 Activity:nil |
10/1 http://wired.com/news/mp3/0,1285,60650,00.html Chuck D and LL Cool J face off about file sharing. Guess the shil, win a teddy bear! \_ they both sound like utter morons \_ this is some sort of surprise coming from guys who call themselves "Chuck D" and "LL Cool J"? think about it. |
| 2003/10/1 [Computer/SW/Editors, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:10401 Activity:nil |
10/1 sex.exe, can't get rid of it, can't find it on hd. how to get rid of?
\_ Install woman.exe.
\_ format, reinstall OS
\_ Isn't that the NullSoft text editor? Pretty harmless, isn't it?
\_ it's more likely some virus, worm, or bomb.
\_ http://www.nullsoft.com/free/sex
\_ foolish mortal. nothing says his binary is the one from
your url. also nothing says the binary at your url isn't
infected from another source or isn't a v/w/b also. for
example, go check out the software versions the zonelabs
guys are using. they're a software security outfit that
doesn't keep their own servers up to date. why would you
expect any better from guys who wrote a text editor? trust
no one! stay alert! keep your laser handy! |
| 2003/10/1 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/OS/VM] UID:10402 Activity:nil |
10/1 I'm installing WinXP for the first time on a test box just to see it.
I'm not even done with the basic install and it's already doing all
this automated 'dont worry, ill make that really important decision
for you, you dumbass consumer!' shit. I'm getting shivers....
I'm doing it inside a virtual-pc so at least it can't fuck up anything
too much. I hope.
\_ I've been using XP pro for a while now; as a game and just-doing-
superficial-type-work-box (writing docs and browsing) it has been
pretty decent. I don't trust it with anything important (all my
storage and security and whatnot is on a couple of FreeBSD boxes)
so the relationship is a happy one. -John |
| 2003/10/1-2 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:10403 Activity:nil |
10/1 I'm on solaris and trying to increase the number of open file descriptors
my processes can have. I've used limit and ulimit under zsh and bash,
respectively, to set these to say, 400. limit and ulimit -a apparently
confirm these changes. But when I write a program to test this out,
it still fails after the default of 256 open files. Any idea what I
might be doing wrong? Thanks.
\_ The number 256 should've clued you in on what's going on.
\_ umm, duh. the question is why is it still at 256...
\_ yes, and you apparently missed the boat by a mile. 256 is
2^8. You're calling a clib function. Think about it. It's not
that hard....
\_ umm, again, no. you're probably missing the boat by
several miles then. do you even know c? or perhaps you're
just way over my head, in which case you should explain
to mere mortals what gems can be found in your seemingly
idiotic comments.
\_ Each time a file is opened space is allocated for
a new file descriptor. The descriptors are in an array.
In order to find an empty slot in the descriptor array the
kernel has to traverse the list. During the early days of SunOS
this was found to be rather expensive. So instead a bit field was devised
in order to determine used and open descriptor slots.
And guess what they used for the bit field, a byte.
Since process info has to be stored in kernel memory,
this was seen as saving space, so each process had
an associated bit field for the descriptor array.
Hence the 256 limit.
\_ welcome to a new century. the default hard limit is
now 1024. see below, limit is 256 only for standard
library functions, and this is removed on 64 bit
solaris 7. go figure. and i did say solaris, not
old SunOS.
\_ Solaris max is 256 for 32-bit apps. See rlim_fd_max in
http://docs.sun.com/db/doc/816-0607/6m735r5ev?a=view
\_ grr. well, that's not quite true. it turns out to be 256 for
standard library calls, like fopen. you can do 1024 using open().
unfortunately, python seems to use fopen. |
| 2003/10/1-2 [Uncategorized] UID:10404 Activity:nil |
10/01 John's its-ugly-its-really-ugly link of the day:
http://www.nylug.org/images/adler_images/linux_nylug_booth.jpg
\_ Grow up. -alexf
\_ Jealous?
\_ Of what? The original poster's misanthropic tendencies? No,
not particularly. -alexf
\_ Misanthropic? Hardly. It's just a painful reality.
\_ this makes me want to stop using linux
\_ How come their lug gets an orangutan?
\_ I don't get it.
\_ Do you look like any of those guys?
\_ ITS NERD HEAVEN! YES! THIS IS THE WAY TO NAB THE H0T CHIX!11
L1UNX R0X Y0R S0X! They all appear to come from the same very
limited gene pool. |
| 2003/10/1-3 [Industry/Jobs] UID:10405 Activity:low |
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| 2003/10/1 [Uncategorized] UID:10406 Activity:nil |
10/01 Damn, why are you dredging up shit from the archives? What you did
was repost a slim part of a longer section of the motd out of context.
You added nothing to it. If you want to troll at least be original. |
| 2003/10/1-3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:10407 Activity:kinda low |
10/1 Informal CSUA voting. Please vote only once (don't be a hozer).
Recall Davis
Yes: .................................................................
.................................................................
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No: ...........
\_ I like how the number of No votes changed from 5 to 9 votes
in the space of two minutes ... hoser.
\_ What about the number of yes votes? Sheesh...Besides,
saying "don't be a hoser" on the motd is like asking
people to spare the air by not breathing for a few days.
\_ The No votes showed the ballot stuffing first. The
Yes votes only appeared after I pointed this out.
I feel like a moron.
\_ trust your feelings.
\_ Yo, it's a motd poll. Whatever. That's to both of you.
Bustmante: .......
Camejo: .
Schwarzenegger: ......
Tom: ...
georgy@soda: ...
!psb: ..
\_ does the fact that Arnie is an idiot, knows nothing of government,
and refuses to give any specifics of what he will do not bother you?
\_ your opinion doesn't bother me at all but I'm voting for TM
because his views most closely match my own on topics important
to me that the governor has some control over. I hope that
properly answered your loaded & rhetorical question.
\_ well if you're voting for TM I wasn't talking to you.
\_ you weren't talking to anyone. it was rhetorical.
\_ According to the L.A. Times poll, everyone knows he has
considerably less experience than the mainstream candidates,
but he ranks at the top in leadership. I think of Arnie as
someone who wasn't in the club when he got to America, but
leveraged his musclebuilding into acting, then into small
community contributions, running businesses, and then ending
up governor of California. I think people approve of this.
Implicitly, they do not consider him an idiot. As for not
giving specifics, people are motivated primarily by "kick
the bums out" and avoiding "business as usual". They are
satisfied as well when he says it will be "Governor Arnold,
not Governor Wilson". By the way, someone is overwriting
posts like mad (not just mine).
\_ Ok. Well, I'll actually vote No on recall and Yes on Arnie.
Just because I hate Bustamante.
\_ Just curious, why do you hate him? Because he's Mexican?
\_ Why do you automatically assume race is an issue?
\_ Bustamante is a twink. He also has zero charisma.
\_ Bustamente seems more oily than Davis. As much as
Davis has dissed him, he seemed to salivate over the
revenge aspect of running against Davis and leading
in the polls, more than wanting to save CA.
\_ Wowwee, now that's what I call an informed opinion.
\_ Well, if you want something more hard, he's
a part of the Democratic establishment that
increased spending to a level where we're in
the hole that we are now. They shouldn't be
rewarded by replacing one Democrat for another.
In any case, do you disagree with my earlier
characterization? Doesn't it just SEEM right?
\_ I firmly disagree. Its fairly obvious that
your prejudice against anything Democratic
is clouding your judgement. You need to
relax.
\_ actually, I am a Democrat. They just
overspent by way too much. Bustamante
and Davis should not be representing this
party, and those politicians may have
gotten too full of themselves, what
with the "conservative" stupidity going
on in the rest of the country.
\_ I think our idiotic initiative system,
the special interests that have ruined it,
and the stupid California voters that
passed the budget restrictions that
lock up 2/3rds in the money in this
state are the real villians. Not to
mention Enron and the other energy
companies that screwed us. I don't know
why I bring this up though, because it
gets deleted every time I do.
\_ Wah! I write to a dynamic file that
hundreds have access to and my posts
are so brilliant it must be that i'm
being silenced! its a VRWC i tell ya!
\_ It still doesn't change the fact
that Davis brought up the deficit
after he got elected, and attacked
Riordan so he could face Simon.
He's a coward.
\_ I love this complaint. It's as if
no one had the opportunity to say
"We're in trouble on the budget"
other than Davis. Was he doing the
numbers in his closet?
\_ And how is replacing him with
someone with zero political
experience and a cabal of
Pete Wilson advisors going
to solve our problems?
\_ It sends a message, one.
Two, Arnie's governance would
be one of delegating
responsibilities. It really
doesn't work in Dubya's
administration, but I think
it might work better on the
state level. He's a different
person than Ventura, very
charismatic, and it might just
work.
\_ right, Ventura's politics
were/are way better.
\_ I can't see what facts you
are basing number 1 or number
2 on, so I guess I'll just
have to think that you're
going on some sort of faith
in Arnold's powers. Fair
enough. I for one am
concerned about a government
of ex-Wilson cronies, as
Wilson was a terrible
governor. I also think
Arnold's effectiveness is
going to be questionable
given a firmly Democratic
legislature and voting public,
not to mention the strangeness
of the budget process given
that 2/3rd voting requirement
and all the spending mandates.
I also think he's going to
be subject to a recall of his
own, and I'm very afraid
given the state of California
politics that we will soon
be subjected to an endless
series of tit for tat recalls.
_/
It's not that I think Arnold will do a better
job, but he hasn't demonstrated the cowardice
that Davis has (see earlier post). Arnold
has the promise of doing an adequate job.
You're all about, "Who's likely to do the
best job?" which is entirely valid. I'm
all about, "Davis showed he was a coward,
boot him. I don't want my vote indicating
I condone his practices" which to me,
trumps that.
\_ I wouldn't call it cowardice. Just plain
brutal cynicism. Davis is a bastard.
\_ Fair enough, thanks for the reasonable
debate (on the motd no less!). I guess
we'll just have to see how it all turns out,
as Governor Arnold looks sort of
inevitable at this point. For me, this
is yet another reason to consider moving
out of Cali (*sniff* *sniff*).
\_ Arnold has demonstrated even more cowardice!
He refused to debate Davis or the other
candidates except that one scripted thing.
He also refuses to say anything specific,
for fear of criticism.
\_ But you see, the Democrats have already
had their chance. Arnold just had to
show in the first debate that he
wouldn't go psycho, and he didn't. That
means I'm going to vote for him.
I certainly don't blame your logic, since
the L.A. Times uses it.
\_ this is the thread that doesn't end
it just goes on and on my friend
some people started trolling it
not knowing what it was
and they just kept on trolling it
forever just because
this is the thread that never
ends, it just goes on and on my
friend.
\_ I don't feel like writing an essay about the man.
Suffice it to say, I disagree with his plans, I feel
that he doesn't represent my interests, and I have a
personal distaste for him based on what I've seen of
what he says and how he operates. The "oily" description
sums it up as much as anything.
\_ I predict that Arnold will win and the first thing he will have
to do is raise taxes, pissing off the Republicans to no end. -ausman
\_ Shrug. I predict you're wrong. (heh) |
| 2003/10/1-3 [Industry/Jobs] UID:29551 Activity:nil |
10/01 http://www.taprootfoundation.org/about/index.shtml Has anyone here tried working with these guys? It sounds like a great idea in principle that is very difficult to pull off well in practice; I'm curious -- is it actually working? |
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