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| 2003/9/5-6 [Computer/Networking] UID:10084 Activity:low |
9/5 Home Networking problem. I managed to get a set of 5 real IPs.
(ok, 8... minus broadast, gateway, etc). I want to set up a wireless
network at home, as two of the computer, one wirelessl connected
will be running server. Ideally, I would like to have a sort of
DHCP running so occationally, family member with their labtop can
get a dynamic IP and access to the internet. What kind of functionality
should I look for when I am buying a wireless access point /router?
\_ Uhm, get one with DHCP, what else did you think you need? They all
support DHCP.
\_ most of them doesn'tallw you use real IP behind the
wireless router
\_ the servers shouldn't have DHCP addresses and the laptops
don't need real addresses and should be behind a firewall
anyway. OP shouldn't be doing what OP is trying to do.
\_ Hook up an 8-port switch (not a router, and no wireless) to the
DSL/cable modem. Any computer directly connected to this switch
will need to configure a static IP. Hook up wireless router (one
with more than one Ethernet jack) to the switch. DHCP and NAT will
be active on the wireless router. Now, anyone who plugs into the
wireless router or turns on their wireless card will get a
private dynamic IP. Is that what you want?
(The above assumes you are not using PPPoE. Also, sometimes
the ISP provides DHCP, too, so you won't need to configure
static IPs on those computers directly connected to the
8-port switch.)
\_You can't be using PPPoE when you got static, it's usually
an ADSL bridge type configuration if you have static. The ISP
will not provide DHCP for a static service. DHCP needs to be
configured on your end. If you do DHCP on the bridge, then it
will assign either internal dynamic ips (in which cause you'll
waste the statics) or use the static ips. AFAIK on the cheapie
bridges they give you you can't do both, so you'll need to
setup a DHCP server somewhere (you do not necessarily need it
on the wireless part, in fact you can get a wireless access
point and do DHCP on one of the static IP boxes if you install
another ethernet card on it, but that is probably more trouble
than just getting a wireless router and hooking it up to
the bridge). You also don't need the switch if you've got
what I think you have (i.e. cayman bridge with four ports
on the back).
\_ Actually, at the small office I worked last, we got static,
and we got DHCP-assigned addresses through the DSL modem.
Verizon. I believe the DSL modem was a bridge, it never
had an IP.
\_ Yes, the bridge can be a DHCP server also, and it can
either serve static or internal IP addresses, it depends
on how you configure it. It cannot, unless you have a
a really advanced bridge, do both. In reality, all
DSL "modems" are bridges. The term modem refers to
modulation and demodulation, which never really occurs.
You can also setup the bridge so that it assigns certain
static IPs as dynamic, and certain ones remain configured
to point at specific MAC addresses. However, you usually
can't do both 192.x.x.x numbers and mix them with static
IPs. For that you essentially need to create a subnet off
of one of the static IPs and route it through a dhcp server.
\_ That DSL modem that behaves as a bridge: I can't
configure it at all, it doesn't have an IP, doesn't
do DHCP serving itself, and it lets the upstream router
handle DHCP requests. To end users, all they see is
DHCP being served, but it's not from the DSL modem
technically. That's my interpretation.
Most DSL modems these days are smarter, I think.
\_ That doesn't sound like a very efficient setup from
the ISP's point of view. But since it's a small business
maybe that's the way they have it configured. Cable
modems are similiar, they "hide" the dhcp server within
the modem from the enduser, so you have to get unsupported
utils to mess around with it. I believe that the IP
address of your bridge should be the default gateway when
your dhcp is configured. See if you can login to it or
something.
\_ Well, theoretically, but when you ping that IP
you notice 30ms pings. That DSL modem just
doesn't have an IP; it's a bridge.
Anyways, that was three years ago. |
| 2003/9/5 [Finance/Banking, Finance/Investment] UID:10085 Activity:high |
9/5 http://www.economist.com/world/na/displayStory.cfm?story_id=2041155 America's inequality is due to its rich people doing especially well compared to other countries' rich people. It poor people is doing about the same as other countries' poor people. \_ You mean all those countries that don't even have a middle class, and where the poor have absolutely no mobility? \_ So to make this fair we should provide welfare for foreign rich people. \_ Bottom 80% of Americans only own 17% of the country's wealth. Hahaha! Poor bastards! \_ The rich are already doing so well, and we are still cutting \_ The rich are already doing so well, and they are still cutting their income tax and inheritance tax. \_ Leaving them more capital to create more jobs. \_ As Warren Buffett noted, giving more money to rich people doesn't create more jobs--because rich people don't spend as much of their money. If you give money to people who actually *need* it and will spend it, *that* will create jobs. And more fundamentally, the fact that our rich are doing better than other countries, but our poor aren't, is *exactly the problem*. -tom \_ Buffett is a moron, and apparently you are too. If rich people don't spend the money on consumer goods, they'll use the money in a different way--investing it, etc. Even putting it in a bank account allows more loans to people who \_ Leaving them more capital to create more jobs. don't have the capital to make large purchases out of pocket. \_ Nope, ultimately you need people to spend money. Now ordinary Americans have too much debt already and the interest rate is already very low. You want your average American to have even heavier debts? \_ You miss the part about loans to people who then start small businesses which are the backbone of the American economy? Quoting Warren Buffet on anything is akin to calling someone a Nazi in an online debate. It's pointless and demonstrates lack of ability to think. "He's rich so he must know lots about macro economics! Let's do whatever this rich dude days because he's one of us!" Uh huh. \_ Quoting Warren Buffet is actually poignant in this case. Even Alan Greenspan acknowledges the pure and simple fact that if you give the money back to the consumer class, that it will have more of an effect in the short term. Giving money to the investor class does nothing for the short term, only potentially for the long term. The investor class does nothing with the money but hoard it and reinvest, that does not create their income tax and inheritance tax. \_ Leaving them more capital to create more jobs. other than "it makes me feel better to hurt someone else"? jobs, that only creates wealth (which may create jobs a ways down the road). -mlee \_ Okay, by that argument if the government gave me a billion dollars, I would automatically use it to hire a bunch of Americans instead of blowing it on hookers, eightballs, and multiple NASA space-tourism jaunts. I say you give me the money, and let's see what happens. \_ Which would create more jobs for hookers, NASA workers, etc. The money wouldn't simply disappear. It gets put back into the economy. \_ Great, so pony up the cash, Daddy Warbucks. Giving me the money the rich would save in these tax cuts would benefit the economy just as much as giving it to them. \_ Although it would create jobs for hookers, there are more efficient ways of creating jobs. You are not a prime job creation engine for the economy. Maybe in another life you'll be Warren Buffet and people will blindly quote you simply because you're rich. \_ And any rich schmoe is a prime job creation engine? Horsehockey. Saying that we should give tax breaks to the rich because they'll spend the money and therefore employ people is not only naive, it's perverse. \_ There are "more efficient ways"?!?! Yes, there are, but going through gov't is guaranteed to not be more efficient. \_ Dummy, by definition "the rich" are *always* doing well. Is this so hard to comprehend? The important part is *who* is rich, how did they get there, what are they doing to stay there, and how hard is it for someone else to get there? Does raising taxes on "the rich" help the middle class or poor in any way other than "it makes me feel better to hurt someone else"? \_ The rich gain more from the promotion of a strong US military, civil order, and national infrastructure than do the poor, hence the rich should pay proportionately more in taxes. In addition, if the rich pay more in taxes, the poor and middle class need not pay as much in taxes; if this does not constitute help, I would like to know what does. \_ That's totally false. The rich actually use less gov't resources than the poor, by far. If you are rich, you can support yourself and don't require gov't intervention in things like healthcare, housing, employment, childcare, schooling, and sustenance. In contrast the poor drain gov't resources like crazy. The poor also have bigger families, and those families are gov't subsidized. \_ You're missing the point: the rich have more to lose in the case of a weak military, civil disorder, and a crumbling infrastructure (as business relies on the infrastructure to make things run smoothly and the rich depend on business). They have more at stake and therefore should pay more. \_ Yeah why should I spend all that money on the military to protect my total asset of $200 in the bank? Since the top 1% has 50% of the country's wealth, they should pay 50% of its taxes. \_ 1) they don't. 2) they already pay more than their percent income. 3) if you've got $200 to your name and minimal or no income you're a deficit, not a plus for the economy. you're taking out waaaay more in infrastructure costs than you'll ever put back in. how does water get to your tap? who paves your roads? who pays the cop that stands on the corner? puts out your fires? brings food to your local market? runs wires to your hovel? you can't even begin to pay for what you're sucking from the tax payers in this country past, present, and future. you're a net loss. \_ Where did you get the idea about "minimal or no income"? I am in the top 19% who thinks they are in the top 1%. In anycase, it's just to illustrate a point. \_ Check the tax tables: you're paying a max of 38%, and if you're that rich and can't afford a tax-deductible accountant to steer you through the loopholes, I have a bridge in New York I think you might be interested in buying. \_ Why yes, it does. Raising taxes on the rich allows more spending on things like education, child care, and health care that increase the standard of living of the middle class and increase productivity for the entire economy. Why do you think that European productivity has been growing faster than American for over a generation? If you look at stats for the middle 50%, you can see that wages in America have stagnated for the average worker, while they have gone up almost everywhere else. Americans are working longer hours and seeing less for it, while the opposite is true in the other industrialized nations. \_ Ask the typical out of work German or Frenchman how much they enjoy the 2:1 taxpayer/leech ratio in their countries. In a generation, it'll be 1:1 in several EU nations. It isn't sustainable. The EU nations have sold their future to their past. |
| 2003/9/5 [Transportation/Airplane, Reference/Military] UID:10086 Activity:nil |
9/4 Rather than building midget useless weak carriers that require
vertical take off planes (which have worse performance than
non-vertical take off planes), why don't the Brits just build a
bigger carrier?
\_ JSF
\_ Because they can't afford one and putting all your eggs in one
basket is both militarily stupid and inflexible.
\_ The British have the right idea. Vertical takeoff craft which
are computer-piloted.... That's the way to go.
\_ Until the FoF system tags a 747 landing at O'Hare as an
incoming enemy bomber and kills a few hundred people. The day
they can take the people out of wars is the beginning of a
perpetual war which won't end until all industrial bases are
destroyed on one side or someone uses WMD on a large scale.
\_ It's IFF
\_ Friend or Foe, thanks.
\_ Watched T3, did you?
\_ Yes, but you apparently didn't. That wasn't the message
in T3 at all.
\_ it worked in the Falklands. Also, the U.S. marines use Harriers
too. Nod to the can't afford comment above.
\_ USMC has a pretty good reason for using Harriers. As an
expeditionary force, they can't rely on the existence of
proper runways everywhere.
\_ worked damned well in the Falklands actually. OP, the Brits
don't have any current concerns about taking on the USAF. They
don't need a USAF quality AF. They just need enough to pretend
to be a world power and smash second world Argentina quality
nations every so often or back us up here and there for good PR. |
| 2003/9/5 [Consumer/TV] UID:10087 Activity:nil |
9/4 Anybody have Dish Networks with Local Channels? Their web site
claims that you need the 500 series receiver in order to recv local
channels. I'm wondering if that's a marketing ploy. Anybody tried
hooking up a 300 series receiver and see if it works? One has to
pay more per month to use the 500 series. Thanks.
\_ i got a free 2nd Dish 500 from them for getting local channels
have to point it in a different angle
\_ What you need is a Dish 500 *antenna*, not a particular receiver.
\_ The locals show up as high numbered channels (the receiver then maps
them to the local channel number). My understanding was that you
needed the 500 series system to get the high channels. But I don't
know if both receiver and antenna are necessary.
\_ You just need the Dish 500 antenna. The 500 series receivers
are just their digital video recording products. Local channels
have been available for longer than the 500 series receivers... |
| 2003/9/5 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:10088 Activity:nil |
9/4 I love this shit. This is legalization of pirates in the high seas,
and USA is leading charge:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3082548.stm
\_ pirates? am i missing something here? it sounds like it's all
the activity of various nations' navies. when the US decides
to let commercial fishermen with grappling hooks and hunting
rifles board ships, then you can call it piracy.
\_ Both of you should read up on maritime law before resorting
to statements you can't back up.
\_ it's not a question of maritime law, it's a question of
what the word "pirate" means. If a warship attacks or boards
another vessel, that's not piracy.
Pirate:
"An armed ship or vessel which sails without a legal
commission, for the purpose of plundering other vessels on
the high seas."
\_ in the good old days, you can't just goahead and board
other nation's ship in the internation water. Am I
missing something here? --OP
\_ you probably side with China in saying to stop WMD
you need to talk. Imagine if this program were in place
back in Oct 1962 - no Cuban Missile Crisis! Might makes
right - get over it!
\_ Don't you have any pride in our nation as a beacon
of hope for democracy and its ability to bring the
world together? Soft power and our ability to set
the world agenda towards human rights have earned us
much leverage and the admiration of the world. You
should reevaluate the nuance of soft power. --aaron
\_ when were these "good old days" exactly? the good old
days are *right now*. in _your_ good old days ships got
boarded all the time. we called it piracy. it still
happens in some back water parts of the world but is very
rare, that's why ships no longer carry canons, eh?
\_ that is my point at first place. In name of
stopping WMD, we are acting like pirate of
caribean sea. What happened if we are trying
board a North Korean ship boun to Syria in
middle of Indian Ocean, and North Korean in self
defense open fire upon US navy vessel? -OP
\_ A military vessel stopping and searching a civ.
vessel on the high seas to search for contradband
is not piracy. That should be your "point at the
first place". Seriously, you're misapplying the
word. You don't know what it means. When a
US Navy destroyer or Coast Guard vessel stops a
ship, tosses the men overboard, sells the women into
slavery and keeps the cargo for later sale, please
post the URL on the motd and you can talk about
piracy on the high seas. I think you're a troll.
\_ The north korean ship is probably carrying nukes
or missiles or something nastier since that's about the
only thing north korea can export these days, so
I highly support boarding the bastards. What do YOU
think the US should do? Ignore it?
\_ "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men
stand ready in the night to visit violence
on those who would do us harm" - Orwell
\_ It's a nice quote and always true for any
society that has a substantial civilian
population going back to Rome and earlier. |
| 2003/9/5 [Finance] UID:10089 Activity:nil |
9/4 I am moving back to the Bay Area this fall. What resonable
storage places are there (for a piece of furniture and maybe books)?
And any decent place on the Peninsula with affordable rent?
\_ define 'affordable' for your situation. |
| 2003/9/5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:10090 Activity:nil 75%like:10080 |
9/4 Fart for Bush!
http://www.heartlight.org/fast
\_ Is this for real? If so what about idolatory being a grave sin? |
| 2003/9/5 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:10091 Activity:high |
9/5 In the end, with regard to WMD, it's not the two-bit dictator Saddam
who lied, but the Bush and Blair administrations. Poor Saddam. He
had no WMD and had been telling the truth all along, hoping and trying
hard to appease the US, while Bush and Blair lied to their
citizens and to the world, patronizing and full of self righteousness.
\_ you gotta learn to at least guise your troll. the post below is
much better.
\_ not really. it only got 1 pathetic bite. both are too
obviously trying to pull heart strings and push hot buttons.
\_ I think you just overwrote the second bite.
\_ It's not a troll, but a irrefutable declaration of fact, and
thus, no followup is expected. |
| 2003/9/5 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:10092 Activity:high |
9/5 $90 billion this year, $60 billion next year. How much is the
regime change Iraq war going to cost your typical family of 4 in
total eventually? $4000?
\_ Ask the typical family of 3 that was a typical family of 4 before
9/11 how much it's worth.
\_ NO Iraq-9/11 connection! Never was never will be.
\_ Not much, if it's determined Iraq never did pose an imminent
threat, the WMD never existed, and the U.S. loses further
credibility internationally.
\_ now this is a good troll.
\_ yeah, every single nukular family of 4 lost a member due to
the attacks of 9/11. thanks for reminding us.
\_ $4000? That's like 10 times the tax cut I am going to get next
year.
\_ Chump change. US has supported many initiatives like this in
other countries that keep going on and on. |
| 2003/9/5-6 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:10093 Activity:nil 62%like:27866 |
9/5 OpenBSD 3.4 is available for pre-order:
http://www.openbsd.org/34.html
http://www.openbsd.org/items.html#34
\_ pre-order? they can't *sell* me open source software! Redhat and
other Linux vendors don't force me to *buy* software.
\_ Um, neither does openbsd. Before you start ranting, do a little
digging... -scotsman
\_ Yes they can, and they've been doing it for years. Open Source
Software doesn't mean that people can't charge you for it, it
just means that you can copy/modify/redistribute it anyway you
want. GNU used to sell their software for a couple thousand
per tape/disk. Walnut Creek Software distributed *BSD for $30
per kit way before the internet got popular.
\_ To me that's not really "selling software" any more than
PBS pledge drives are selling those mugs and other gifts
you get if you donate money.
\_ where else can you get a Dr. Who mug where the TARDIS
dematerializes as you pour the drink in? If BSD
people sold Dr. Who mugs I'd buy them, too. |
| 2003/9/5-6 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:10094 Activity:nil |
9/5 Dean and Clark to D.C. in 2004.
\_ who's Clark?
\_ Wesley Clark? Who is Dean?
\_ It is way to early to be calling that one. -ausman
\_ I don't think he's calling it, so much as hoping for it.
\_ Gay marriages and socialized medicine for everyone -
whoopee!!!
\_ awesome, I want!
\_ awesome, *you* pay!
\_ another 9/11 in 2005 if that's the case.
\_ by foreigners or by insiders?
\_ since we just diluted the value and meaning of citizenship
the other day by giving illegals drivers licenses, is there
really much difference anymore?
\_ the value and meaning of citizenship is to carry a
driver's license? I really think you misunderstand
what it means to be an American
\_ I didn't make that comment but it's a valid point. At
least it calls SOMETHING into question when "illegal"
immigrants are on public record, with kids in public
schools etc. If you want illegals to have this stuff,
then you should instead legalize them. Not have this
doublethink weirdness.
\_ once they're registered, how long do you think it
will be before INS starts using the database to
track them down?
\_ there will be a firewall between the departments
\_ Politicians are willing to tweak anything to buy votes.
\_ Clark kills Santiago and becomes president. Oh wait, wrong show.
\_ Dean Cain plays Clark Kent in D.C. comic tv show: Superman
\_ Played. Tom Welling plays Clark Kent now on Smallville.
\_ Quite seriously, how much is "red america" going to flip out
if Dean wins the election? I guess nothing can be as bad
as Hillary to them.
\_ red america? you mean the Communists? what are you talking
about?
\_ maybe he means red-neck?
\_ I think he means red/blue like on the results maps of
the country during bush/gore. |
| 2003/9/5-6 [Health] UID:10095 Activity:nil |
9/5 Anyone here take flaxseeds (high omega-3). Does it taste bad?
\_ yes I do. You can't taste it because it's in a gel capsule.
Unless you're trying to drink the thing (I don't recommend that).
\_ you can buy raw flaxseeds in supermarkets and they taste ok
(almost no taste)
\_ Flaxseed oil is supposed to add a nutty flavor to a salad....
\_ Flaxseed gloop [Google for it, but don't bother with the
cheesecloth method of separation] is a good egg substitute
and adds a nutty flavor, but may not preserve the omega-3s.
Anyway, they're seeds, so for taste think sesame, poppy, etc.... |
| 2003/9/5-6 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:10096 Activity:nil |
9/5 Disneyland Anaheim ride malfunctions. 1 dead, 10-11 injured.
"The park is not very crowded, and it isn't really the madhouse you
would expect. There is almost no information available about the
accident - CMs persist in saying that nobody was hurt, that there
was a problem with the Mark Twain, or that there are just 'technical
difficulties' with the attraction. The guests know something is up,
partly because there are threehelicopters over the park, but mostly
they just move on to another area." -Super Moderator on http://mouseplanet.com
forums
\_ a Mickey Murder
\_ It's in Yahoo News now. |
| 2003/9/5 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:29521 Activity:nil |
9/5 Is Bush going to take back the "bring it on" comment he made? With
the number of people dying everyday I'd say that the bad guys have
really brought it on. I hope the french and the germans force bush
to take back that statement before signing on to any UN resolution.
\_ take back the one statement? I'm sure the french and germans
prefer the $ talking. After all, $ is why the U.S. is asking
for UN support.
\_ "take it back"?!? what like apologise?
1) That would never happen
2) It would be a totally empty gesture. "I'm really sorry"
is going to get the world what exactly? Bring people back
to life? Restore US credibility? Maybe the French will
say "it's all good, here's a few billion Euro" ???
\_ You're right. Resignation would be so much more appropriate.
\_ You have just been trolled. Thank you, come again!
\_ Oh my the casualties are staggering! Shows how young and naive
you are. |
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