Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2003:August:20 Wednesday <Tuesday, Thursday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2003/8/20 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:29396 Activity:insanely high
8/19    How's Netscape 7.1 compared to 4.8?  I have a Celeron 400 128MB and
        P-III 800 256MB, both running NT.  Does 7.1 (using Gecko) perform
        better than 4.8 on these wimpy machines?  Thanks.
        \_ Shit.  I use a P3-700 and used a p3-450 for years before that.  I
           wish I'd known they're too wimpy to do something trivial like
           surf the net.  Intel told me if I spent $3k on a new computer
           every year, the net would go faster!
        \_ those aren't that wimpy. i have a celeron 500 (granted, with 1 GB
           ram) and mozilla runs great. it'll probably be a bit slow, but
           usable, on the 400, unless you have a lot of other apps open. the
           800 should be just fine. in case you didn't, mozilla and netscape
           7.1 are practically the same thing.
           \_ I'd seriously look at MozillaFirebird, it's fast on my NT4
              700 Mhz machine.
              \_ second that.  Don't use netscape.  it's just an older
                 version of mozilla :p  and Firebird is slightly
                 lighter than Internet Explorer nor Netscape
                 \_ actually, for the first time in a while, the netscape
                    and the stable moz are at parity. ironically, mozilla
                    is more widely supported by commercial apps/plugins
                    than netscape 7.
           \_ A Celeron 400 is Wimpy with a capital "W".
              \_ as opposed to WImpy or WIMPY?
            \_ not if all you do is surf and use word.
               \_ This is because Word requires so few resources? The
                  thing is a pig.
                  \_ Just needs memory.
                  \_ it is a pig for what it does.  However a celeron 400 is
                     a hell of a lot of processor power.  If you aren't
                     doing simulation or emulation or lots of graphics
                     then it is plenty for surfing.  I used a 450mhz p4 until
                     recently and it didn't feel slow.
        \_ Just today I installed Firebird on a really old Pentium 133. It takes
           *forever* to load (i think the machine has 32 or 64MB ram) but is
           quite usable after the initial loadup. >= IE5 (in terms of speed).
2003/8/20 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:29397 Activity:high
8/19    Whether or not you support Howard Dean, Ashcroft's new "Victory
        Act", and the PATRIOT Act it's based on needs to die, quickly and
        completly.  If you've never heard of Howard Dean, you might be
        pleasantly surprised by spending a few minutes looking at his stance
        on various issues.
        \_ I agree. Fiscally responsible, socially progressive. I'm voting
           for Dean.
           \_ Me too. Kerry and Edwards are too forgettable and don't
              differentiate themselves.
                \_ Tell the others!
           \_ what is wrong with Richard Gephardt? he is mother of all
              socialist. no?  -- can't decide on Karry, Dean nor Gephardt
2003/8/20 [Uncategorized] UID:29398 Activity:nil
8/19    Where can i get the cheapest chicks?
2003/8/20 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:29399 Activity:high
        I'm not a rabid Israel hater like some on the motd, but I think
        this is a pretty good reminder that Israel is a state that was
        born from terrorism.  However because they are "good terrorists"
        no one ever talks about it.  The line between terrorist and
        freedom fighter is a shakey one.
        \_ 'Born from terrorism.'  Pretty strong statement there.  Are you
           sure you aren't rabid?
2003/8/20-22 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Computer/Companies/Yahoo] UID:29400 Activity:low
8/19    Programmer / Engineer position open in the Yahoo! Games
        group.  /csua/pub/jobs/Yahoo for more info.  -- nickkral
        \_ why did you take out the posts below. Can't handle criticism?
           \_ he didn't.
        \_ nick, you don't play games all that well and you're not even
           hip, why are you in the game division?
2003/8/20 [Uncategorized] UID:29401 Activity:nil
2003/8/20 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:29402 Activity:high
8/19    Goddamn.  Take a look at the video of the Iraq UN HQ bombing.
        It took place when a Japanese camera crew was recording:
        \_ Gang of ulugs.  -John
        \_ can someone figure out how to d/l this or find a copy I/we
           can save?
           \- check out the story at:
           it's about a 15min video. --psb
         "We try to educate them that beatings of journalists is unacceptible."
         "I'm not worried about freedom of the press." [after taking away press
          card of all palestinian journalists]
                                        --head of israeli press office
           \_ dang, talk about selective quoting.  I sure as hell wouldn't
              want Israel's policies in the U.S., but the man is clearly
              speaking emotionally:  (It's not unreasonable when
              suicide bombers are killing non-military women and children,
              cf. today's new bus bombing;
              and no, Israeli oppression is definitely not grounds for
              consciously killing innocents to liberate Palestine or for
              "After all the violence of the past year, I found his
              attitude had hardened," observes Naylor.  "I'm not worried
              about the press, freedom of the press," Seaman tells her.
              "If there are any limitations to it, it'll be restored.  Any
              freedom can be restored - the lives of Israelis cannot be
              \-  journalists != suicide bombers. this is about censorship.
                  this wasnt about journalists broadcasting the locations
                  of israeli military to the otherside. maybe this is what
                  israel feels they have to do, but maybe they should stop
                  suggesting they are a common culture with societies that
                  would give more priority to press freedom. i do think
                  israeli courts have often made fair decisions after piss
                  poor ones by the legistature/executive/bureacracy. so i
                  think their commitment to legal authority is laudible.--psb
                  \_ Partha, Israel is a society under siege.  I am surprised
                     how non-militant they are, all things considered.
                     The equivalent level of stress on american society would
                     be Oklahoma city bombings happening every week or two.
                        \- so you consider the current response restrained?
                           would you advocate torture and do you thing the
                           bulldozing of the houses as justifiable? --psb
              \_ "Definitely not grounds"... so in your opinion could there
                 ever be any grounds for such killings? Hypothetically?
                 Israel is a democracy after all, and the "settlers" are
                 hardly innocent. People whose land is taken from them are
                 apt to fly off the handle. The phrase "under siege" could
                 be applied to Palestinians, as the Israeli policy appears
                 to have the goal of slowly assimilating their lands. E.g.
                 make things miserable enough that they give up, but avoid
                 international relations problems. Israel says making them
                 Israeli citizens is unthinkable, yet a viable Palestinian
                 state is also nixed, so instead there's this non-status.
                 Armed Israeli "settlements" have no ethical basis and lead
                 to further Palestinian displacement.
2003/8/20 [Transportation/Car] UID:29403 Activity:moderate
8/19    I'm selling a book on to some person living at a
        "US Hwy 15-501 South". Just curious, but does anyone know what
        sort of place this might be? Next to a highway presumably,
        but like...a house, farm, trailer park? It's in NC btw.
        \_ there is a business loop of 15-501 that runs through
           a commericial/residential neighborhood in Durham.  --jwang
        \_ there is a northern business loop of 15-501 that runs through
           Durham (close to South runs into Chapel Hill
           (close to <DEAD><DEAD>).  this highway is only 2 lanes in each
           direction, with some residential neighborhoods on the side. --jwang
2003/8/20 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:29404 Activity:high
8/19    Helo, I glanced at various FreeBSD books on AMAZONG. Would the
        locals recommend any particular one? I dont want unix basics
        but freebsd specifics. Also i dont need technical descriptions
        of parts of the OS [like the 4.4 book] but some stuff on PC
        hardware and freebsd sysadmin-related stuff. ok tnx --psb
        \_ Take a look at the FreeBSD Handbook as well as the FAQ on
  It answered all or most of my questions.
           \_ Agreed.  It's about as up-to-date as you're going to get.
              `man security` also helps.
              \- any experience with the "absolute BSD" book?
        \_ The FreeBSD PowerPak (PowerPack?) comes with a fairly decent
           book.  <DEAD><DEAD> used to have good FreeBSD
           specific stuff (I've found the handbook to be pretty out of date
           on occasion.)  -John
2003/8/20 [Uncategorized] UID:29405 Activity:high
8/19    Is there any way to get spamc to just maybe label an email with
        ^X-Spam-Status or ^X-Spam-Level WITHOUT clobbering every other
        header and hiding the message as an attachment?  I'm trying to get
        it to play nicely with ifile so I can compare efficacy.  Thanks
        \_ man Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf
2003/8/20 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:29406 Activity:nil
2003/8/20 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:29407 Activity:high
8/19    This is a branch from the jouranlism/israel/palestine thread
        below ... just out of curiosity, why do you anonymous but substantive
        responders do so anonymously? i can understand if you are asking an
        emnarassing question, saying something that will geet john ashcroft
        to visit you but why in this dicussion? concerned about not having
        your opinion dismissed because you are jewish? [i'm not one of those
        people who are somehow offended or outraged by any and all anon
        posts ... just curious]. ok tnx. --psb
        \_ It just doesn't matter.  The notion that signing a post somehow
           magically legitamizes it or adds some sort of mystical validity is
           stupid.  If there was an advantage to signing, I would.  But I have
           yet to see a substantive reason aside from some snooty nincompoops
           claims of some sort of fallacious code of nerdy chivalry.  My
           signature is not required for my ideas to have merit worthy of
           consideration.  *shrug*
           \- well i certainly am able to separate the ideas from the man
              but sometimes it does seems easier to know if i am talking
              to the same person at all points in the coversation. maybe
              you can sign with some hash. the default seems to be to sign
              rather than not to. so if anything it's not signing that calls
              for an explanation ... again i mean "calls for" in the sense
              that "i wonder" not requires. suum cuique. --psb
              \_ The default is to sign?  Are we posting to the same motd??
                 I've been posting to motd for several years, and I have yet
                 to see this default in effect.  It's cool that you can
                 separate the ideas from the man, and I certainly respect
                 that -- but this doesn't translate to any sort of tangible
                 advantage or reason in my mind.  Additionally, I seriously
                 doubt that your point of view in this respect is the
                 'default'.  A very high percentage of the people that
                 routinely sign seem to have quite vocal and anonymous anti-
                 fan clubs riding their coat-tails.  This tends to water down
                 the content of a thread with needless ad hominem, obscuring
                 the OP's point.
                     \- sounds like you are a rationalizing animal.
                        it's just easier to have a lot of conversations
                        when they have more "state". e.g. a while back
                        someone asked for a reference on currency trading.
                        now it would be a lot easier to answer that question
                        if you had some sense if it was coming from someone
                        who had presented evidence of having a large or
                        small brain. etc. --psb
                 \-you know it's pretty easy to figure out who is non-idle
                 goes non-idle when the motd time stamp changes ...
                 especially if you have all these motd relics and watching
                 scripts in your home dir. lastcomm makes it even easier
                 but that is turned off on sloda. --psb
                    \_ Well, yeah.  It's 3am.  If I really cared that much,
                       I wouldn't post at all.  I just see more advantages to
                       not signing and almost none the other way.  I can
                       repeat my earlier points, but there seems little point.
                       Shoot me an email or something if you really want to
                       continue this debate....
        \_ I sign my name or not based on a gut feeling of whether the message
           would benefit from having my name included.
             -- anon poster from palestine/israel thread
        \_ labels.  I don't like being label based upon my view and voice.
           and there are plenty of people will happily perform targeted
           censorship based upon these labels.  You may not agree with me,
           but I view targeted censorship as a form of repression.
           Being anonymous is a form of protection from
           such repression at a personal level.
           \- well it seem to me if your concern is about censorship of your
              ideas, i dont think it will make a whit of difference wheter
              your posts are signed or not. [well unless maybe you have some
              anti-fans like me :-)] in fact it might buy you slightly more
              deference from the anon coward crowd. so if you think it will
              engender some personal antimosity, i dunno if i'd call it
              censorship. the target censors i believe mostly target ideas.
        \_ i don't do it because aaron deletes my posts.
        \_ one reason i post anonymously is i want the ideas to stand
           on their own
           \_ have you seen the move "the call me mr. crebbs"? --psb
              \_ no, please explain
                 \- it's a movie about a black fellow
2003/8/20 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:29408 Activity:high
8/20    We've been talking about al Qaeda as if it were one single entity.
        Is there a possibility that the entire Muslim community resents
        US occupation of Iraq and just want to kill US landmarks and its
        people rather than that they want to join al Qaeda?
        \_ Americans don't understand the terrorist cells are not like
           "Cobra" from GI Joe.
           \_ They're not?
        \_ Salon had a "portrait of a guerilla" story awhile back--
           ordinary guy, working on a degree in English lit in Baghdad,
           hated Saddam... wants the US out of Iraq, tried to ambush a
           convoy with an RPG (it failed).  The spectrum of feelings and
           politics is wider than "if you're not with us, you're with the
           terrorists" style thinking.
           \_ He was a nice killer.
        \_ nah, muslims just want non-muslims converted or dead,
           the terrorists wanted us out of the Holy Land of Saudi
           Arabia, and we left, but they still continue to terrorize us.
           Everyplace becomes a holy land to them, everyplace in the world
           becomes an occupation.
           \_ we left?  When did that happen?
           \_ Bub, you can score Prozac real easy. Think about it.
              \_ Is this where I say "blah blah blah"?  The poster made valid
                 and accurate points in a calm manner.  You however are an
                 idiot.  Thank you for joining us this morning.
                 \_ I notice you are not replying to any of the critiques.
           \_ How many terrorist attacks on American happened after we
              left Saudi Arabia?
           \_ Nah, only 10% of muslims want that.  Of course, that's about
              100,000,000 people, but hey, who's counting.
        \_ excuse me nitwit, didn't 9/11 happen way before occupation of
           \_ Dude, how did you get to Cal with your terrible English
              comprehension scores? Was it affirmative-action? Alumni
              pull? Tell us.
              \_ alumni pull at Cal?  sheeyah!
                 \_ You've obviously never met Matt Belizzi.
        \_ Like I said before, US is dumb in denying all the Baath
           party members their old jobs and livelihood.  In doing so,
           they just created tens of thousands of enemies from the most
           well trained well organized pool of Iraqis.  Too cocky.
           It is also the direct opposite of what the US did in
           post-WWII Japan.
           \_ Please show how Saddam-ruled Iraq == WWII-era Japan, and maybe
              I won't think your idea is nuts.
              \_ I already gave you the explanation why it is a bad idea.
                 As to Iraq and WWII-era Japan comparison, go read some
                 history yourself.  There are other examples besides Japan.
                 \_ No, I don't want to read the history myself.  That's why
                    I asked you.  Let's start with something simple.
                    Baathists:Iraq :: ? : Japan.  Then tell me how the
                    Baathists are similar to that group in Japan.
              \_ It was the big argument FOR liberation. It would be just like
                 Japan. Cut off head, replace, wipe up blood, go home.
                 Easy-peasy Japanesey.
2003/8/20 [Science/GlobalWarming, Computer/Companies/Yahoo] UID:29409 Activity:high
8/20    nickkral, how is Yahoo?
        \_ why does w do more reverse lookups than who?
        \_ Yahoo! is a fun place to work.  Lots of cool people,
           excellent technology, and flexable work.  Very kicked
           back and agressive at the same time. -- nickkral
                \_ wow you can't spell. hang out too much with your fob gf?
                \_ aggressive is spelled with 2 g's. So how much do
                   you get paid?
                   \_ Flexible is not spelled "flexable". I hope I make more
                      than you both.
                      \_ I guess you don't want his help getting a job there.
                      \_ GWB can barely form a sentence and he's the most
                         powerful man in the world. What does this say
                         about equating spelling with success? --aaron
                                \_ whoah that mean nickkral must be rich
                                   and powerful. And that means you're a
                                   nobody cuz you just formed a
                                   syntactically and semantically correct
                         \_ Do they like your political bias at google, aaron?
                            I thought they might.
                         \_ It says that if your dad was President then
                            anything is possible.
                            \_ Even if your dad wasn't President, you can still
                               become Vice President with bad spelling.  It has
                               been done.
2003/8/20-21 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:29410 Activity:low
8/20    windows 2000 gurus please help.  I had a crash recently and now I
        can't log into the system.  It get stuck in "Loading Personal Settings"
        and doing ctrl+alt+del doesn't do anything.  Safe mode booting does
        work and lets me log in.  How do I fix this?  Is there a way to
        temporarily disable all those daemons that get loaded at startup
        so that real boot becomes more like safe boot?  Thanks!
        \_ Start->Run->msconfig
           I'll assume you're smart enough to take it from there
           \_ msconfig is not available for Windows 2000; it's only available
              for Win98, ME, and I think XP.  For 2000, try:
           \_ try x-setup
              \_ xteq is really good for other things, too.
2003/8/20-21 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:29411 Activity:nil
8/20    For those who care about such stuff a ALTQ + PF patch is available
        for FreeBSD 5.1:
2003/8/20-21 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:29412 Activity:nil
2003/8/20-21 [Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs] UID:29413 Activity:high
8/20    Georgy (she has a CSUA acct) got /.'d...
        \_ she was also on the front page of USA Today, but of course that's
           nothing to slashdot.
        \_ she has my view on text editors:
        I'm so glad you asked!!
        Both. vi for quick editing, emacs (NOT xemacs) for coding projects.
        \_ As long as she isn't slapping the motd, she's okay by me.
        \_ What do people have against xemacs?
2003/8/20-21 [Uncategorized] UID:29414 Activity:high
8/20    Holy spam shitstorm, batman! is anyone else getting uberspammed
        today? i've gotten 50 e-mails in the last hour and a half.
        \_ it is a virus, SoBig.  It sucks
        \_ modify your .procmailrc
2003/8/20-21 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:29415 Activity:insanely high
        It is obviously time to give the Germans another ass-whipping.
        \_ um, this site will be taken down by the government in no time.
           Why do you think it has no domain name?      -long live GWB
        \_ This was eye-opening.  Thanks for posting it.
        \_ To what in particular do you disagree?  with his stated facts?
                \_ 'Vorwaerts' is very closely affiliated with the Social
                   Democratic Party.  Their motto translates to "partisan,
                   political, initiative".  Draw your own confusions.  -John
                   political, initiative".  Draw your own confusions.
                   \_ You draw a vague comparison with a foreign political
                      party and a motto... I'm ok with this, unless you
                      believe you're making a point about something--
                      or are we supposed to follow "Social Democrats" to
                      "Socialism" to "Communism" to "If you're aren't with
                      us, you're with the terrorists"?
                        \_ That article was published in 'Vorwaerts'.  As
                           a quasi-organ of the SDP, it is bound to have a
                           slant.  It's not a vague comparison.  -John
                           \_ When was the last time the biggest threat to
                              freedom and security--both for you and the
                              world--the US president and his
                              world-- was the US president and his
                              administration?  The article has some very
                              good points.
                      \_ Draw your own conclusions.
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