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2003/8/13 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:29326 Activity:nil
8/12    Bush Planned 9/11 Attack!
        http://www.buzzflash.com/perspectives/911bush.html
        \_ Yes, and I am Osama Bin Laden.
2003/8/13 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:29327 Activity:very high
8/12    link:www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/business/6161002.htm
        It is illegal to say if something is made in Israel or not.  What
        the hell?
        \_ BushCo shredded the 1st Amendment a long time ago.
         \_ the law dates back to the late 70s.  Still odd.
        \_ if we really care about middle east peace, those stupid
           pro Isreal laws gotta go.
2003/8/13 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:29328 Activity:insanely high
8/12    New Red Missile Armed With U.S. Technology
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/962996/posts
        \_ So are you really a Right Wing Kook or are you a liberal
           who is trying to make the Right look bad by posting these
           nutty Right Wing conspiracy posts?
                \_ So its nutty to post excerpts from DOD papers?
                   Interesting.
                   \_ It is *seriously* nutty to think that that diatribe
                      was a DoD paper. Do you know what "snip" means?
        \_ Stop selling us poor Taiwanese outdated Kidd class
           destroyers at exorbitant prices.  Tell president
           Bush to sell us some Aegis destroyers, so we can
           help US fight PRC to the last Taiwanese.
                \_ I wish the administration would.
           \_ You don't live in Taiwan, I am.  I can tell you straight
              out that people 1/4 of people in Taiwan probably will
              welcome the PLA with open arm.  1/2 of them won't care.
              Most, and I mean *MOST*  of established Taiwan company
              will move their headquarter to Shanghai or Beijing.
              The rest of so called pro-Taiwan-Independent fanatic will
              run for their lives.  Only HANDFUL of people will be
              fight until the bitter end.
              If you TRUELY care about Taiwan's self termination, then,
              You should first cut the dependence on all foreign power,
              including USA, including Japan.  Then, You should move your
              sorry ass to this island and *YOU* should fight to the last
              blood.   Don't ask *OTHER* people to sacrafise their lives
              for *YOUR* political ideology.
              \_ You must be commie idiot.  No Taiwanese, blue green or
                 red, would welcome PLA, and the only reason Taiwan is dependent
                 on foreign power is because PRC is threatening Taiwan.
                 Besides what you call "dependence" is in fact a symbiotic
                 relationship.
                 \_ The 3rd color is Yellow, get your politic straight.
                    Taiwan can never achieve self termination if it depends
                    upon foreign power.  Further, situation in Taiwan is
                    complicated.  The biggest threat from PRC is *NOT*
                    its 2 million strong army nor its ballistic missles.
                    Rather, it's their massive cheap labors *AND* fast
                    rising companies which compete in the same turf as
                    Taiwan's traditional stronghold.  Further, rather you
                    like it or not, Taiwan's economy is depend upon the
                    mainland.  That is why with exception of few fanatic
                    like you, most of people in Taiwan see mainland more
                    of an opportunity than threat.
2003/8/13 [Uncategorized] UID:29329 Activity:high
8/12    How much does Gold's Gym membership cost? Are there any sneaky ways
        to get a discount? I'm interested in the Mountain View one.
        \_ Dunno how similar to Gold's Gym it is, but 24 Hr Fitness is
           constantly running sales and discounts, some not advertised. Also,
           depends on how well you can haggle with the sales rep. I managed
           to get my annual renewel fee from advertised $99/yr down to $49/yr
        \_ There was a recent WSJ article that mentioned that most people
           don't use club memberships, cell phones, etc. enough to justify
           the montly costs they pay. Most ppl would save more money if they
           pay as they go with health clubs. If you really are into fitness,
           then of course this wouldn't apply to you.
        \_ I signed up with Gold's down in SoCal last year.  It's quite
           expensive, probably around 3 times as much as a 24 Hr. Fitness
           but it's much nicer.  I acted very reluctant though, and
           eventually they tossed in a $100 gift certificate at a shoe
           store, and 4 additional months.  If it weren't for the great
           location though (right along the beach, and I work right
           upstairs so I can go often), I would have gone for a cheaper
           gym.
2003/8/13 [Computer/Networking] UID:29330 Activity:nil
8/11    Interesting news blip - McDonald's offers free WiFi in select
        restaurants in the Bay Area, New York, and Chicago through the
        month of August.  For locations:
        http://www.mcdwireless.com/locations/MCDw_loc_SF.html
        \_ Why would anyone want to compute or spend any additional time
           in such a noisy and unclean place as McDonald's is beyond me.
           Specially, considering lots of coffee shops are considering getting
           WiFi too.
           \_ TMobile offers WiFi now in select locations... I think they
              are partnering with Starbucks and Borders.
2003/8/13 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:29331 Activity:very high
8/11    What's the fastest way to confirm that two 8GB files are exact
        copies of each other? Is something faster than md5sum?
        \_ on a reasonably fast PC, md5sum saturates the disk channel
           while hardly using any CPU.  so nothing is going to be
           faster (less I/O).
           \_ running an md5sum on the image, I get "File too large".
              any other program you can recommend?
                \_ md5sum compiled with large file support
                \- if it isnt physically sitting on one disk, there are
                   various things you can do. say with erasure codes.
                   \_ I ran "sum". files appear to be the same. -op
2003/8/13 [Industry/Startup] UID:29332 Activity:insanely high
8/12    http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/diamond.html
        My question is, how come USA let De Beer get away with
        100 years of absolute monopoly?
        \_ Nothing says you love her like a blood diamond.
        \_  "Unless they can be detected," he says, "these stones will
            bankrupt the industry."  Yes!  Fuck De Beers!
            \_ Diamonds are forever.
        \_ Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people.  Now let's legalize
           drugs and kill another international cartel of murderers.
        \_ too bad the General is too old and lost 2 wars
           \- helo i have not read your link although i will later you know
              that debeer officials dont come to the US to avoid capture by
              the usgovt, right. debeer > msft on the evil metric ... they
              actually kill people. you can grep the wall history for some
              good articles from the atlantic on the diamond business.
              if you regexp foo is weak i can dig up the links for you.
              there is also an interesting article by mathew hart on diamond:
              history of a cold blooded love affair. it is also interesting to
              see how the indians are driving out the jews. debeers may be
              able to more exploit american men due to a deal with LVMH.
              ok tnx. --psb
              \_ regexp foo?  jesus fucking christ.  if you want to know about
                 the evils of the debeers, or anything else for that matter,
                 there's a tool called  a "library" and another called the
                 "world wide web" that will tell you whatever you want to know.
                 \_ Is that you kinney?
                 \_ Is that the new fangled interweb you're talking about?
                    I heard about that!
              \_ so where is this wall history stored?
        \_ DeBeers proper have no operations in the US.  They own (legally)
           subsidiaries through various stakeholder arrangements, which take
           care of their dealings in countries with strong anticompetition
           laws.  Regarding manufactured diamonds, until now they have been
           kept out of the high-end jewellery market by being detectable.
           When someone comes up with a method of creating perfect diamonds,
           an 'artificial' as opposed to 'technical' two-class system will
           be created;  you may have noticed that most diamond companies already
           subscribe to a certificate system, ostensibly to help identify
           diamonds with dirty provenances (like blood diamonds from Sierra
           Leone.)  That same system will be used to market the 'genuine' item
           to people--if you doubt that this will work, consider that people
           have been buying what are essentially glorified rocks just for their
           artificially created prestige value for a long time.  -John
           \- the mkt for artificial diamonds will be suppressed through
              (women) mind control -> (men) ball capture. why isnt there
              a market for used diamonds? do you know how large the stock
              of "idle diamonds" is? that's partly through dealer control
              and partly mind control. they will clearly suggest "real/debeers
              diamond -> true love", artifical diamond -> artificial love.
                                                             --psb
2003/8/13-14 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:29333 Activity:very high
8/13    I often take the battery out of my Powerbook 12", which lacks an
                         \_ so why are you doing this?
        secondary battery.  As a result, the date gets reset to 1970 if I
        power it up after more than an hour.  This cause anacron to think that
        (minus) decades have passed and start runing all sorts of jobs
        run only an hour ago.  I want to add to /etc/rc so that
        on restart if the date is ridiculous it will be set to, say, 1 hour
        beyond the last "normal" time the machine sees.  What's the easiest
        way to find the "last normal time"?
        \_ If you're using OS X there's an option to use the network time
           server under System Preferences.
        \_ /bin/date > /tmp/date        -John
           \_ That's way too easy.  The answer should some how involve
              sed/awk on the command with multiple layers of escaped chars.
        \_ you could just run ntpdate on boot.  -tom
           \_ what if you have no net?
              \_ Do you have sed/awk?
        \_ Yes I have sed/awk/perl, no I usually do not have net
           when this happens.  Please enlighten me how /bin/date > /tmp/date
           helps?  During a graceful halt?
           \_ put that in a cronjob. Then have the startup look at it. Doy? :)
2003/8/13-14 [Computer/Companies/Apple] UID:29334 Activity:high
8/13    I want to get the 17" powerbook with 1 gig of ram.  But it's still
        way too expensive.  $3500+  Any apple employees or rumors on when the
        next generation powerbook with G5 will come out?   I'm waiting for the
        price to drop on the current batch of powerbooks when the G5 version
        comes out.
        \_ I don't think you'll see G5 laptops for a while, but rumors say
           Mac is planning PB updates soon. http://www.macosrumors.com
        \_ The 17" powerbook is really a ridiculous machine, unless you're
           never going to move it (in which case, why get a "portable"?)
           It's big as a coffee table.  -tom
           \_ You get it to save space, so you can move it from home to work,
              etc. Most people don't use their laptops on the road anyway.
              It's a lot better than having to squint at a 14" screen.
              \_ you could get a machine at home and one at work, with
                 better monitors, for the price.  -tom
                 \_ You can also drive two ford escorts for the price of a
                    BMW. And you completely missed the point about it
                    saving space, but then you are very good at missing
                    the point in most regards on almost all topics...
        \_ Is nice if yer working on ProTools or FinalCut.
        \_ But it looks so cool in the commercial where the midget has
              the big laptop and the chinese basketball player has the
              tiny one.  I was totally sold and bought a complete set of
              each for everyone in my entire company!
        \_ Do you guys know if the PB trackpads are customizable? ie, can
           you doubleclick and scroll and do all sorts of fancy stuff with it
           like you can in some of the newer PC notebooks? I played with one
           at the Apple Store, but all I was able to do was move the pointer.
           \_ It's all about the driver
           \_ You can set clicking, dragging and drag lock with
              the default drivers in the Mouse SysPrefs.
        \_ I have one of these in that configuration. I like it a lot, BUT
           it has already been back to Apple for repair under warranty. The
           motherboard and SuperDrive were replaced. I do not know why they
           replaced the drive. The problem was that it would not boot. Anyway,
           I heard that a LOT of these were returned for this and other defects
           (e.g. too many bad pixels). I am glad work paid for it, because as
           much as I like it I'd be pissed if it was my $4K. --dim
2003/8/13-14 [Computer/HW/IO, Computer/HW] UID:29335 Activity:kinda low
8/13    Q: Is there any special knowledge required to set up an
        exchange+IMAP server?  A friend of a friend wants to pay me to do
        it, and I'm wondering how much I need to know to look like I've
        done it before.  I've installed and dealt with qmail and sendmail.
        \_ Not really if you can click a mouse, navigate a gui and have
           half a brain for a standard setup.  Just don't let him stand over
           your shoulder.  You *do* charge extra for training, right?
        \_ if you want to be really cool, don't expose the exchange
           server to the public internet, put a unix box with a mta
           in front of it and have it relay mail to the exchange server
           for future processing so you don't get immediately hacked. - danh
           \_ no, that's a second and larger unrelated project which his
              client will have to pay extra for.  stop selling out IT on
              the cheap.
        \_ any monkey can set it up. that's the easy part. the hard part
           is support/maintenance/security. That's why you shouldnt even
           get involved, because it's a time-suck.
           \_ nonononono, the idea is you get more money each time he has to
              call for more help.  he's not doing this free.  it's for a
              small business.  as an FTE I don't *ever* touch any windows
              servers and the only WS I touch is my own.  as a consultant
              I ***loooooove*** microsoft.  nothing says "I love you!" to
              my bank account like repeat business from my MS using clients.
2003/8/13-14 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:29336 Activity:high
8/13    Is there a security patch against the Blaster Worm for NT Workstation?
        All I see on the MS web site are patches for NT Server, NT TSE, and
        versions of 2k / XP / Server 2003, but not NT Workstation.  Thanks.
        \_ yes, just delete winnt/system32/msblaster.exe
           \_ I don't think it's that easy, since that program
              was constantly being called upon by some key in
              the registry. At least in XP it was.
              \_ I don't think NT is vulnerable.  XP != NT.  Try the
                 fixblast.exe from symantec.  I used it last night on
                 my dad's computer successfully.  Firewalls.
                 \_ But the MS web page says NT is affected.  It says the only
                    Windoze not affected is ME.  See http://csua.org/u/3xl
                    \_ I didn't see NT fixes at MS.  Dunno.  Anyway, get the
                       fixblast.exe from symantec, apply patches, and chill.
2003/8/13-14 [Science/Electric] UID:29337 Activity:kinda low
8/13    dwallach on Democracy Now! today, talking about electronic voting.
        \_ i know some poeple here live in europe or have lived in europe.
           can anyone comment on the electronic voting in the netherlands?
           have they had fraud problems?  have they allowed rigorous third
           party security audits?
2003/8/13-14 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:29338 Activity:kinda low
8/13    In tcsh, how do you get * to include subdirectories?  I want to do
        something like perl -p -i -e 's/foo/bar/g' **.c
        and have the command executed on ./*.c, */*.c, */*/*.c and so on.
        \_ You can do something like:
           find . -name '*.c' | xargs perl -p -i -e 's/foo/bar/g'
           might have to play around with that, I haven't tried it  -niloc
           \- you cannot do zsh-style ** recusive globbing in tcsh.
              rather than doing something really ugly
              use find | xargs. there are also various emacs-heavy ways to
              do this. --mr emacs&&tcsh
              do this. --mr emacsbitch
2003/8/13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:29339 Activity:nil 57%like:29343
8/13    Warren Buffett hired as Schwarzenegger's campaign adviser:
        http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/08/13/financial1529EDT0203.DTL
        \_ Great. He can help invest all of that surplus money CA has.
           \_ Buffett is a Democrat.  Interesting.
              \_ So is Ah-nold's wife. Is the guy really a Republican?
                 \_ he's not a true Republican.
        \_ Not a troll... what issues make Arnold Republican? Might be a troll:
           What makes some call Dean a Commie/Socialist (is it a health-care
           thing, or the bush-bashing thing) while others say that he is more
           conservative than the other Democrats. --not too political
           \_ Dean's a commie because he raised taxes and guaranteed health care
              to every child up to age 18.  He's a conservative because his
              economic policy is very centrist-- don't borrow from the future,
              balance the budget, and so on.
2003/8/13-15 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:29340 Activity:high
8/14    Running RedHat 7.3 on a pc.  Everytime i try to change anything with
        \_ are you running a kernel you compiled yourself or
           the default kernel that comes with redhat?
            \_standard:2.4.18-27.7.x
        ifconfig i get a msg. "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address"
        However, whatever i'm trying to do always works.  Should i be worried?
        \_ What's your exact commandline?
           \_ the last one was "ifconfig eth0:1 down 0"
               \_ I get the same errors running that command in Debian.
                  What exactly are trying to do? like "ifdown eth0"?
               \_ what's with the 0?  try just "ifconfig eth0:1 down"
                   \_ buh, maybe it is a solaris thing i picked up (and can't
                      put down)  but i don't recall it giving me probs before.
                      \_ It's not a solaris thing.  --solaris guy
2003/8/13-14 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:29341 Activity:high
8/13    Bush appoints Daniel Pipes to Institue of Peace:
        http://www.msnbc.com/news/950969.asp?cp1=1
        \_ Institute of Peace...Orwell would be proud!
           \_ We are coming upon the 20th anniversary of 1984.
              \- 1948 is from, 1948! --psb
              \- 1984 is from, 1948! --psb
           \_ Even bother to spend time on his web page?  Ever hear him
              speak?
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