6/19    Why does jwang keep deleting the motd?
        \_ how do you know?
           \_ i whacked up something quick with fstat and diff.  i am sure
              there are better ways.
        \_ can someone pls open source some motd spying software?

6/19    I want to write a script (or find any workable method) of viewing
        and saving multiple sequential pages on a website.  I can do this
        in perl easily (just extracting data from source) except for cookies.
        I generated frames to let a browser handle the cookie transaction but
        mozilla won't let me save frame source (!?!). Seems like this should
        be easy.  Any advice? -jnat
        \_ have you tried 'wget' or 'curl'?
           \_ wget doesn't seem to work with http://picturetrail.com
        \_ I've thought of doing this too.  Is there a good way to emulate
           a web browser so you don't get in trouble for screen scraping?
              \_ must...supress...urge...to...make...vector...calculus...joke
           \_ curl is what you want.
              \_ must...suppress...urge...to...make...vector...calculus...joke
        \_ for those who are less geeky, there is getleft.
        \_ What do you mean by "multiple sequential pages"?  You can do
           cookies and all other browser emulation in perl.  I'm not sure
           what you're trying to do.  Me and many others have written web
                                        \_ "I"
                                           \_ Nyet, grasshoppa!  In this case
                "Me and many others" is a single plural term.  This is not
                what you were taught but did not learn in 3rd grade about
                "me and jonny were spanked for being bad" vs "I and jonny".
                In the future I'll confine myself to the simpler forms of
                English for you so as not to confuse the masses.
                \_ if you want to be truly pedantic, it's "Johnny and I."
           spidering programs to crawl and rape other people's sites.  It's
           a reasonably well solved problem.
           \_ Okay where do I find out how to do this?  I've been doing
             google searches and reading pages and pages and not seeing
             anything client-side.
             \_ http://cpan.org.  You'll find all the modules for making http
                connections, saving and sending cookies, etc.

6/19    Related to the God thread below.  When I was in the dorms, I debated
        many times with my roomate on why asians shouldn't worship western
        religions.  Why go around worshiping a white guy (Jesus)?  He
        tried to rationalize it by saying that God is not white and Jesus was
        darked-skinned, etc.  Truth is, nobody knows what Jesus looks like and
        99.9% of all pictures of Jesus shows a white guy with blond hair and
        blue eyes.  Then he tried to backpedal and said he doesn't worship
        Jesus but worships God.  And God is not human.  Then I called
        attention to one of the basic teachings of christianity:  Trinity.
        Jesus is the son, the father, and the holy spirit.  He stopped talking
        to me after that and thinks I'm some sort of wacko.  I have yet to
        hear a good reason why non-whites should worship a God that chooses
        appear as a white guy.  Anyone?
        \_ I'm not a christian, but my understanding is that Jesus is only
           a representation for the ideals of the religion (love, ect).  If
           this is true, then Jesus being white is irrelevant.
        \_ No white man should worship a god that isn't a H0T A2N CH1X.
        \_ You asians have already been assimilated into Western culture...
           so give it up, we've already won.
           \_ oh yeah.. the 3% of hte U.S. population that's Asian is really
              representative of the world.
        \_ In Christian Theology God is beyond the humans and the angels.
           Jesus (the son) however is human (see the third temptation).
           The relationship between God (the father) and Jesus is akin
           to the relationship between Dr. Soong and Data. Dr Soong is
           is father and creator while Data is the son. Different type
           of life, but still related.
           BTW, millions of Asians follow buddhism and worship images of
           the buddha? After all he wasn't Asian, he was Indian and since
           he was a prince most likely Aryan (Caucasian).

6/19    To motd censor:
        perhaps you can understand why Chinese government constantly
        supress voice which they don't like now?
        \_ you're only feeding the beast.  really, i swear, the self appointed
           motd censors always grow out of it and move on.  a few of them have
           even turned into decent contributors.  just repost the lost
           material and ignore it.

6/20    What's a good mpeg/avi/etc viewer for Linux?
        \_ http://videolan.org/vlc http://www.mplayerhq.hu xinehq.de
        \_ "apt-get install mplayer" and then... watch your pirated
           full-length movies and pornography
           \_ no way, it's strictly for viewing movie based game demos!

6/20    Will http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+Win9x+Grub-HOWTO/proc.html
        work for installing Windows XP with Linux already installed?
        Or is http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+Windows-HOWTO/index.html
        better to follow?
        \_ Why would you want to dual boot a server OS and a desktop OS?
           Linux is a server.  Why would you ever shut off your server??
                \_ Not using Linux as a server. -op
            \_ Yeah whatever. GNU/Linux does both well. But I'd suggest
               having the server be on one machine and the desktop on the
               other. They you don't have to reboot the server.
        \_ On a similar note, has anybody besides me had problems reading
           a windows xp partition in linux? The windows directory shows up
           but it's empty.
           \_ I've heard NTFS support is a little shaky outside of the Samba
              world.  I mount a read-only NTFS partition under FreeBSD and
              there are some folders that just don't show up.
        \_ Use VMWare.

6/20    I can't find a symbol for degrees in LaTeX. For now I'm using a
        superscripted \circ. Is there actually a degrees symbol?
        \_ \usepackage{textcomp} ; \textdegree
            http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/symbols/textcomp.phtml
            - CSUA LaTeX Guy
            \_ you or someone like you has answered alot of my latex questions
               also.  We, the latex newbies are really appreciative.  please
               continue.  thanks.  -!op

6/20    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/06/20/1055828474718.html  Looking
        back, I'm glad we didn't waste billions of dollars on that idiotic
        Star Wars thing now.  It would've been totally stupid to be able to
        maybe shoot down a handful of nukes when the Soviets had thousands.

6/20    "Me and many others" is a single plural term.  This is not
        what you were taught but did not learn in 3rd grade about
        "me and jonny were spanked for being bad" vs "I and jonny".
        In the future I'll confine myself to the simpler forms of
        English for you so as not to confuse the masses.
        \_ Could you explain this a bit more?  I was taught using
           the "whole-language" approach and my exposure to grammar was
           limited to a 6th grade English teacher who was too senile
           to know that grammar was out of style.  How does
           "Me and many others have" differ from "Johnny and I were"?
           \_ "me" is not a subject pronoun

6/20    Has anyone ever done a study to rate the quality life in various
        college towns? I wonder how Berkeley ranks up compared to say
        other UC campus towns.
        \_ mmm.  h0t L4 ch1x0rz.
        \_ Sure, go to the bookstore.  Go tonight and meet all the Harry
           Potter fans (release date 12:01EDT==9:01PDT)
           \_ Harry Pot-head
                \_ wow that's clever!
                \_

6/20    I've narrowed down the censorer(s) to: jblack and rory.  Anybody
        else can confirm?
        \_ rory, you fucker! - danh
           \_ are you kidding me? Is this a joke? Everybody knows its
              jwang anyway.             - rory
        \_ I'm neither of those two nor the culprit, but does it really
           matter that much to you who's censoring the motd?
           \_ yes
              \_ this motd will self-destruct in 5 seconds.
        \_ If you kill me, I will only become stronger than you can imagine.

6/20    % xemacs
        /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libcompface.so.1" not found
        % which xemacs
        /usr/local/bin/xemacs
        \_ try copying this:
           /home/sequent/ranga/lib/libcompface.so.1
           somewhere and adding it to LD_LIBRARY_PATH -!ranga
        \_ Must you use xemacs from soda?
           \_ actually i run xemacs -nw. -OP
              \_ why not use emacs then?
        \_ ED!

6/20    grammar troll deleted. loser.
        \_ fuckheads like that are unworthy of the term "troll".

6/20    Will http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+Win9x+Grub-HOWTO/proc.html
        \_ make enough room on your drive for windows xp
           install windows xp in that partition.  google
           for how to make grub boot linux and windows.
        work for installing Windows XP with Linux already installed?
        Or is http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+Windows-HOWTO/index.html
        better to follow?
        \_ Why would you want to dual boot a server OS and a desktop OS?
           Linux is a server.  Why would you ever shut off your server??
                \_ Not using Linux as a server. -op
            \_ Yeah whatever. GNU/Linux does both well. But I'd suggest
               having the server be on one machine and the desktop on the
               other. They you don't have to reboot the server.
               \_ Linux?  As a desktop?  You enjoy suffering?  I wonder.  If
                  someone enjoys suffering is it really suffering and does it
                  not instead become pleasure?  Actually, Linux does neither
                  well, but I'll grant it does both.  Just not well.
        \_ On a similar note, has anybody besides me had problems reading
           a windows xp partition in linux? The windows directory shows up
           but it's empty.
           \_ I've heard NTFS support is a little shaky outside of the Samba
              world.  I mount a read-only NTFS partition under FreeBSD and
              there are some folders that just don't show up.
        \_ Use VMWare.

6/20    What is the cheapest PDA on the market that has reasonable features?
        \_ Probably M130. It has a Color screen, 8MB of memory, and an expansion
           slot, rechargeable battery. http://Palm.com's list price is $200 but I am
           sure you can buy it for a lot less from other vendors. I'd also
           consider Palm Zire if I didn't mind that it does not have LCD
           backlight and only has 2MB of memory.
        \_ If you're not beholden to palm, check out the Dell Axim.  The 300MHz
           version is under $200, it's got 32MB RAM and SD as well as CF slots.
           And the screen is gorgeous.  -former Palm owner who will never go
           back
           \_ But Dell Axim runs this OS from Redmond and, therefore, is evil
              by definition. Don't sell your soul to the Billie boy.

6/20    I've narrowed down the censorer(s) to: ***** and ****.  Anybody
        else can confirm?
        \_ rory, you fucker! - danh
           \_ are you kidding me? Is this a joke? Everybody knows its
              dans anyway.              - rory
              \_ yep, i caught dans doing a wipe when i looked last.
        \_ I'm neither of those two nor the culprit, but does it really
           matter that much to you who's censoring the motd?
           \_ yes
              \_ this motd will self-destruct in 5 seconds.
        \_ If you kill me, I will only become stronger than you can imagine.
        \_ no seriously, anyone care to tell me how I became indicted
           in all this? I couldn't be more innocent.    - rory