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2003/6/5 [Reference/Tax] UID:28637 Activity:high
6/4     Employers often pay 31 cents per mile for mileage reimbursement.
        Where can I get this official ".31/mile" figure for tax or court
        purposes? Thanks.
        \_ It's $0.365/mi for 2002.
           http://www.irs.gov/faqs/page/0,,id=15699,00.html
           http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p463.pdf
2003/6/5 [Uncategorized] UID:28638 Activity:nil
6/4     "its what the WEB used to be for for undergrads."
        \_ What does this mean?
2003/6/5 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:28639 Activity:high
6/4     Is there a game review site that covers all these new MMOG games
        out now?  I was in compusa today and there's at least 4 new ones
        I've never heard of.  The boxes of course don't tell you anything
        about any of them.  Thanks!
        \_ ign and gamespot seem to cover the big ones eventually. i
           think they're all worthless. stick to diablo 2... no monthly
           fee and the same basic game mechanic.
           \_ Some Neverwinter Night servers have job systems implemented
2003/6/5-6 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:28640 Activity:moderate
6/5     In my Yahoo account I'd been getting ~25 spams/day, mostly sorted
        into the bulk folder, for the past few months. I got sick of it and
        started using the "unsubscribe" links when present in the spam. Now
        it's down to just a few per day. This is good. Other people's
        experience using spam unsubscribe links?
        \_ I'm down to 1 unsolicited spam in a week. Is that good? I do
           subscribe to solicited spam, so I guess the groups are doing
           a good job at keeping my email addreess out. It took a while for
           this to happen though, but assidious use of yahoo's "this is spam"
           seemed to have killed 90% of my spam. I've used the unsolicit
           link but not consistently enough to know if it helped or hindered.
        \_ none. spamassassin and a spam score of 2 to get tagged as spam
           and it all gets sorted properly. i wouldn't risk one of them
           being extra scummy and just using the unsub as confirmation and
           then reselling me as a known-good address.  multiple throw away
           aliases takes care of a lot of it too.
        \_ why do you care if the spam goes in the Bulk Folder?
           \_ exactly. there's an Empty link so you don't even have to go
              to that folder. Only spam that gets to my Inbox annoys me.
              \_ what percentage of spam goes in your Inbox?  Do you have
                 any cases where good emails go to your Bulk Mail folder?
                 \_ actually, lately, i've gotten a lot fewer spam in my Inbox.
                    before, it was nearly 50-50, with about 300 spam a week.
                    i still get that much spam, but most of it to the Bulk
                    folder nowadays. oh, and i always select all the spam in
                    my Inbox and click on This is Spam from the pulldown menu
        \_ I was skeptical of people who said those "remove" links just added
           you to more spam lists, so i went to one and entered an alias that
           I had just created and that i NEVER used or gave to anyone.   It
           took a while but after a couple of months i noticed spam coming to
           that address.  Now, i wouldn't expect this to happen if you remove
           yourself from Dell's spam list, but it happens with some. -crebbs
2003/6/5 [Uncategorized] UID:28641 Activity:high
6/4     Slow Day, n.: when the spam doesn't arrive quickly enough.
        \_ buy more net
2003/6/5 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/Security] UID:28642 Activity:high
6/4     Does anyone know if there's a web interface for FORTRAN?  Basically,
        I want to write and run FORTRAN programs from a Web browser without
        having to install anything on my desktop.  Thanks!
        \_ no
        \_ Hmmm. If your goal is just to write FORTRAN programs without
           installing on your computer, you could SSH into soda and
           use g77. Is using a web browser really important? Maybe
           the Java SSH interface would suffice.
           \_ Thanks for that thought.  I have a need where it would be more
              than just myself and not all my users would have an SSH
              client... I just figured Web browsers are ubiquitous.  Also, I
              was hoping for a richer UI.  Any other thoughts?... I
              appreciate any ideas.
        \_ How about install a VNC server?  VNC has java applet client
           and it works reasonably well.
           \_ The problem with VNC is all users share the same desktop.  So
              if two people needed to work on their own project, they
              couldn't.  I didn't mention this as a requirement previously
              so I definitely appreciate the suggestion... but I cannot use
              it.  Please keep 'em coming, though.
        \_ you can run them from a browser as a cgi like anything else.
           writing them is no different than any other web based input system
           that you see message boards,etc using.
           \_ In other words, you mean use an HTML TEXTAREA where the
              programmer can write his/her code; but when the submit button
              is clicked, the code is fed to the FORTRAN compiler on the
              server?
              \_ something like that.  In short I mean "use CGI".  that's what
                 it's there for.
        \_ more stupid idea.  How about install an X-client on the
           FORTRASH computer, install an X-server on your own computer,
           and access that way?  It will resolve the problem.  I know,
           you said you don't want install anything on your computer, but
           i personally think an x-server should be an exception: everyone
           should installed X-server (and FTP server :p )
           \_ and a kazaa server and put at least 200 gigs online so we can
              all share because the information wants to be free!!!  you're
              truly brilliant in a k-12 sort of way.
2003/6/5-6 [Computer/Theory] UID:28643 Activity:moderate
6/5     Someone explain the big-O notation again. Basically O(X) means
        a computation cannot be worse than constant*X, where X could be
        log, exponential, or what not. So isn't it correct to say that
        the big-O for quick sort could be any of the following: O(nlog n),
        O(n^2), O(n^n), O(n!), since quick sort will never be worse than
        these?
        \_ all of those are technically correct (except for O(n log n),
           quicksort is O(n^2) in the worse case). however, when your
           characterization of the running time is that far
           off from the true upper bound, that's not very useful.
           \_ you should look into the difference between big-O, big-theta
              and big-omega notation. I believe SICP and CLR(S) both have
              decent introductions. --twohey
              \_ http://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~cs251/OldCourses/1997/topic3
        \_ no because that suggests it could actually be of n! time
           which it can never be. (unless u implement it wrong)
           \_ if you implement it wrong, it shouldnt be called quiksort, it
              shoudl be called slosort or something like that.
              \_ how about "spellsort" or "sloppy, lazy typo sort"?
        \_ If you can give a girl the big-O - youre set.
           \_ But only if you can do it in 0(n) time.
2003/6/5-6 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:28644 Activity:very high
6/5     Does anyone have a copy of the Guardian article saying that Wolfowitz
        said that Iraq was about oil? They removed the article and apologized.
        \_ Try google's cached pages.
           \_ Does google cache news? I can't figure it out. I did find:
        http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0604-10.htm
        http://www.khilafah.com/home/category.php?DocumentID=7345&TagID=2
        \_ Except it's not what he said, troll.
           \_ Dude, read the page.  The explanation of the retraction is on
              the right hand side (of the commondreams link, anyway)
              \_ Read it.  Not impressed.  It's the Guardian for God's sake.
        \_ http://www.chronwatch.com/editorial/contentDisplay.asp?aid=2971
        \_ Here is the retraction:
           http://www.guardian.co.uk/corrections/story/0,3604,971436,00.html
        \_ some more thorough quotes from the wolfowitz interview, albeit
           from the ever-obnoxious conservative "weekly standard":
           http://csua.org/u/34v
           \_ what's "ever-obnoxious" about the weekly standard?  is it that
              you find the writing poor, the research is poor or you simply
              disagree with their political views so it must be automatically
              'obnoxious'?
2003/6/5 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:28645 Activity:high
6/5     Nine Illegal Aliens Arrested [working construction.
        No Americans were willing work perhaps?]
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/923023/posts
        \_ At the primo rate of $50/day with no more chance of getting into
           the union? Oh yeah, gotta jump on that job.
           \_ HEY! No whining about our free market!
              \_ A market where capital can move freely over borders but
                 labor cannot is not really free.
        \_ They shouldn't arrest the illegals, just ship em south.  They should
           arrest the employers.  That would quickly put an end to all this
           illegal border crossing bullshit.
2003/6/5-6 [Recreation/Dating, Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:28646 Activity:moderate
6/5     Hi I'm an engineer and I have a whiny voice and I want to improve
        myself (for the sake of meeting women and to sound better on job
        interviews). Where can I go? Acting class? Voice lessons? ok thx
        \_ try saying "mm hmm". that's your natural voice. then say
        "mm hmm 1, mm hmm 2, mm hmm 3". for more informatoin, go to
        http://www.voice-doctor.com
           \_ Hey, that's good.
        \_ i know psb.  psb is an idol of mine.  and son, you are no psb
           -psb #24 fan
        \_ grow some balls, son
           \_ *imagining two balls growing on a petri dish*
        \_ Try Toastmasters: http://www.toastmasters.org
        \_ watch lotsa dirty harry movies.. he always gets laid.
                \_ Yes, watch all the early Eastwood westerns and action
                   movies - just on general principles.
                   \_ Especially "Paint Your Wagon" where he sings...
        \_ It's hopeless.  Improve the gene pool.  Conserve precious
           resources.  Kill yourself.
        \_ Some of the advice on this thread might be of help to you:
           http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=162840
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