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2003/5/8 [Uncategorized] UID:28365 Activity:nil
5/7     SA-anti-SAMC was here.  Restored.
2003/5/8 [Uncategorized] UID:28366 Activity:nil
5/7     How much are you guys paying for T-1's these days?
2003/5/8 [Uncategorized] UID:28367 Activity:nil
5/7     Has anyone used Nuvaring? How is it compared to say Ortho-Evra?
        \_ you will become fat, blaoted, bitchy, and lose all desire to fuck.
           \_ sounds like marriage
           On the plus side you wont pop out the rugrats!
2003/5/8-12 [Industry/Jobs] UID:28368 Activity:nil
5/7     My company is looking for experienced QA people.
        <DEAD>www.reactivity.com;<DEAD> email me as david@reactivity.com
        for details --dpassage
        \_ My company is also hiring also but it *really* sucks here and I
           don't want to inflict that on any of you.
           \_ it once sucked here as well, but hiring a couple of sodans
              fixed a lot.  Try it. --scotsman
              \_ I wouldn't do that to a fellow sodan.
           \_ see if you can get them to hire the asshole who keeps deleting
              everything interesting.  seriously. monitor the motd, get a login
              name, find the fucker on google, and submit a bogus resume.
              \_ no way.  they might hire him and then I'd be stuck with yet
                 another jerk off at work.
2003/5/8 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:28369 Activity:high
5/7     Day 47.  Still no wmds.
        \_ But I bet the jews are pleased at getting america to do their
           dirty work.
           \_ Are you really an anti-semite or do you just play one
              on the motd?
           \_ KILL THE JEWS! KILL THE JEWS! http://www.masada2000.org for details.
        \_ Haven't you heard already?  The bar has been lowered.  All we're
           looking for now is evidence that they used to have WMDs several
           years ago.
        \_ Frankly, I never cared if there were or weren't.  The WMD was just
           for the consumption of the great masses.  I believe what we were
           really doing was cleaning up the mess we left behind in 91 and the
           only disappointment is that it took 12 years to get around to it.
           \_ I disagree... I'm not against the war per se (incidentally I
              am against the war, but that's a seperate discussion) but what
              I am against is anyone who believes that the reason we are
              there had anything to do with "wmd's" or terrorism. We are
              there to satisfy the needs of american business... anyone
              who doesnt realize that this country is run by corporate
              america is deluding themselves.
                \_ What business is in the Iraq?  WTF are you talking about?
                   It took two years to find Saddams nuclear program after
                   GWI.
                   \_ OIL! stupid.  Iraq has the 2nd largest oil reserve
                      in Arab world.  and Bush just issued a plan to
                      "privatize" much of Iraqi economy.  Take a wild guess
                       which company will end up buying the assets of formal
                       Oil Ministry of Iraq?

                       By the way, if you notice, virtually all of the
                       government building were looted, except the
                       Oil Ministry.  Hostipal, water treatment plants,
                       Universities were all allowed to be looted,
                       (by some account, even encouraged by US soldiers)
                       but Oil field, and its refinary infrastructure
                       were well protected by US arm and forces.

                       70 years ago, US forces were doing the same thing
                       inside China protecting the interest of then
                       Standard Oil company.  So, this is not something
                       new.  Just please believe that we are doing all these
                       for the goodness of the mainkind.
                       \_ OIL OIL OIL!  OILITY OIL OIL OIL!  OILITY OIL!
2003/5/8 [Uncategorized] UID:28370 Activity:nil
5/7     Christine and lila, did you guys become fat, blaoted, bitchy, and
        lose all desire to fuck after you started orthoX (where X=tricyclene
        or any other method of birth control)?
2003/5/8-9 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:28371 Activity:very high
5/7     I've never seen a convincing explanation of why exactly G.H.W Bush
        didn't go all the way to Baghdad in '91.  Can anyone provide such
        an explanation?
        \_ he had a 100hrs victory with less than 200 casualties, a figure
           that he didn't expect to hold in taking the country.  Then again,
           what were the final tallies on this ass kicking?

        \_ ghwbush said the world coalition he had gathered then
           had given him authority to kick iraq out of kuwait, not
           overthrow the iraqi government.  that doesn't seem too

           incredibly far fetched to me. - danhr
        \_ The objective of the 1991 Gulf war was free Kuwait from Iraq and
           prevent Iraq from controlling 40% of Arab's oil reserve.  The
           objective was achieved without invading and occupies Iraq.
           It was a big miscalculation on Iraq's part.  Iraq had invaded
           Iran in the past with USA's blessing, Hussin didn't expect
           USA would turn against him second time around.
           \_ Um, Iraq informed the US of the plan to invade Kuwait.
              The US did not object, so Iraq took that to be implicit
              approval. Then Bush and fellows feigned shock when the
              the invasion took place.
              \_ Iraq also claimed our forces were NOT at the airport, or
                 within 100km of Bagdad.  Their credibility of facts sucks.
              \_ More proof that Israel is in control of US foreign policy.
              \_ Nyet, comrade!  They only talked to some low level official
                 in country and got an ambiguous reponse.  They heard what
                 they wanted to hear.  Please try to avoid mass rewrite of
                 key elements of history.
                 \_ Ambassador April Glaspie was a low level official?
                    \_ Yes.  Ambassador to >insert 3rd world BFE country here<
                       is never a serious position.
                       \_ Except in times of crisis and in hot-spots, I
                          tend to agree with you.
              \_ She told them effectively the US would not accept
                 Iraq invading Kuwait, regardless of what the media
                 tries to portray.  In fact, she has maintained and
                 repeated this position many times.,
                 \_ In fact, she has maintained all along that she did
                    not give "the green light" and that she was the
                    target of a "deliberate deception," but she
                    acknowledges that the majority of what was reported
                    about her meeting was true.  In other words, she
                    neither objected nor gave express approval.  Saddam
                    then read into that what he wanted. Let's not pretend
                    however that the US expressly told him not to do it.
                    \_ Is it our job to play red light/green light with
                       thugs?  I don't recall seeing that written anywhere.
                       Maybe it's in one of the Federalist Papers I missed.
                       \_ We armed them, we trained them, and we supported
                          them when they were at war with Iran.  They were
                          in effect our client state, and as such, yes,
                          we had an obligation to red light the invasion
                          if we were truly opposed to it.  We weren't,
                          so we didn't.
                          \_ US didn't arm Iraq. The Soviets and French did.
                             The Chinese sold more arms to Iraq than the US.
                 http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/Trnd_Ind_IRQ_Imps_73-02.pdf
                             \_ US bad, UN good, EU good, Israel bad, PLO good,
                                Arafat good, Sharon bad, Bush bad, Chirac good,
                                France good, China good, Britain bad, Russia
                                good.  Clear now?
                                \_ Yawn.
                              \_ Exactly, Iraq arms came almost entirely from
                                 China, France, and Russia.  After all it was
                                 an exocet missile launched from a Mirage that
                                 hit the US naval vessel in 87.  During the
                                 Iran / Iraq war we should have provided more
                                 military support to crush militant islam in
                                 Iran.  So the complaint should be we did not
                                 do enough, as opposed to too much.
                                 [MOTD reformatd]
                          \_ But we did tell them not to do it.  So what's
                             the problem?  And no they weren't a client state.
                             It was a business arrangement.
                                \_ They are/were  however a client state of
                                   France.  And frankly, our assistance during
                                   the Iran / Iraq was completely justified,
                                   given the threat of militant Islam which
                                   has manifested current events.
                             \_ And here's the crux: When did we tell them
                                that? I'd love to see that url.
                                \_ You're aware this pre-dated the current
                                   concept of 'the web' and urls, right?  So
                                   the odds of getting an accurate and direct
                                   quote from that time is near zero.  When you
                                   find the url that proves it either way,
                                   please come back and let us know.  In the
                                   mean time, those of us old enough to recall
                                   the events will just have to get by with
                                   our aged and withering memories.
                                   \_ Graduated in '92. Are my memories not
                                      fresh enough for you?  'Cause I do not
                                      recall Bush telling Saddam not to do it
                                      when Iraq massed troops on the border.
                                      \_ 92?  Sorry.  You were still under the
                                         thumb of the Berkeley PC establishment.
                                         Maybe next time.
           By comparison, even now many still don't understand the logic
           behind the 2nd Gulf War.
           \_ It wasn't a second war.  It was the completion of the first
              which should've come years before GWB2 got into office.
        \_ http://www.thememoryhole.org/mil/bushsr-iraq.htm
           Basically Bush Sr didn't want to get us into the situation
           that we are in now: having to occupy and rule an Arab
           nation against international opinion.
           \_ Couldn't say it better than GWB himself:
              link:tinyurl.com/amxh
              (RealPlayer file)
2003/5/8-9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Computer/SW] UID:28372 Activity:low
5/8     Anybody know approximately when .hushlogin became the default
        setting for new accounts?  This explains why motd trollers are all
        old timers.  If more people see this file by default they'll
        participate.
        \_ The work of some clueless fuck VP who felt he was making the
           motd safe for new users.  Protecting them from the cold cruel
           world. More importantly, when will this cease being the default?
        \_ I think around 1994.
2003/5/8-9 [Politics/Domestic] UID:28373 Activity:very high
5/8     Gee W and his lapdog Tony Blair nominated for Nobel Peace Prize.
        Take that you commie liberals!
        \_ There are three nobel prizes that are worth a shit, and the
           "peace prize" isn't one of them.
        \_ http://csua.org/u/e6f (asia.reuters.com)
        \_ So is Bono from U2. So what?
           \_ I'm not the op, but I think the op makes an interesting point.
              \_ "Take that you commie liberals!" is an interesting point?
                 What "point" are you talking about exactly?
                 \_ I took it to be a point about the meaninglessness of the
                    NPP and various EU .orgs in general.
                    \_ I'd say it certainly deflates the seriousness of the
                       nomination process.  Whether it invalidates the NPP
                       will depend on whether GW and Blair win.
                       \_ Arafat didn't do it for you, huh?
                          \_ or Kissinger?
                          \_ Getting the prize for hugging Rabin on the
                             White House lawn > getting the prize for
                             making peace by prematurely launching war.
                             \_ If you get the NPP for hugging someone then
                                it means nothing.
                             \_ More like getting the prize for killing
                                Jews.
2003/5/8-9 [Reference/Celebration] UID:28374 Activity:nil
5/8     Happy Birthday Thomas Pynchon!
2003/5/8-9 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:28375 Activity:moderate
5/8     kngharv, can you post a url (or two) supporting what you were saying
        about the looting of various ministries in iraq? thanks
        \_ If you tell us wtf you're looking for I'm sure any of us could
           find it.  If you spent 30 seconds on google I'm sure you could
           find it.  Why don't you just email kngharv instead of posting your
           oddball mystery missed connections style crap on the motd?
           \_ whoa, take a deep breath homey. If you so desperately want to
              answer my query, I think there's enough info up there to do
              some google'ing; I tried myself and while I was able to find
              something on http://wsws.org I was hoping kngharv might have an
              article from a more reliable source.  This is hardly "missed
              connections style crap". In fact, it is specifically regarding
              something that he posted on this here motd yesterday. Maybe
              if jwang wasn't deleting the damn thing every hour you would
              have had a chance to read it.
2003/5/8 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:28376 Activity:very high
5/8     UNIX question.  I have two files, each of them fortunately are just
        one or two column of text.  I would like to merge let say, columnA
        from fileA and columnB from fileB side by side to become
        columnA_from_fileA      columnB_from_fileB
        how to do that?
                (not sure how to googlizing this problem)
        \- if one shot, emacs kill/yank-rect. you can use join, but the
           syntax can be arcane. --psb
           \_ thanks, I'll look up join and see what i can do
        \_ awk. --aaron
           \_ barbarian.  perl.
              \_ Call me a Hun and then use "cut", "paste", and temp files.
                 cut -f colA fileA > fooA; cut -f colB fileB > fooB
                 paste fooA fooB > result
                 \_ Hun!
                    \_ Reread problem. Oops. Just use "paste fileA fileB"
        \_ you can also (ab)use "pr -m fileA fileB"
           \_ That's beautiful! I suggest using "pr -m -t fileA fileB".
2003/5/8-9 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:28377 Activity:high
5/8     I'm suing someone and it turns out that he gave me a fake address
        and I can't serve the paper. What should I do now?
        \_ why don't you post this to the motd three or four *more* times?
        \_ hire a private detective.
           \_ This is correct, assuming you don't have a cheaper option.
              (Like a phone book.)  I can put you in touch with a good one.
                -jrleek
        \_ What's the guy's name?  Maybe we know him.  Or is it a fake name?
           And you still haven't told us what information you do have on him:
           driver's license, license plates, etc.
        \_ If the above does not work, but you have his real name and a
           general idea of where he lives, you can petition the court for
           service by publication. However, that should be a last resort
           because it can get somewhat expensive.
                \_ I have his real name and a general idea of where he lives.
                   What is service by publication and how much is it?
                   \_ Service by publication means that you take out ad
                      space in the local newspaper(s) saying "Hey, I am
                      suing you - Call me for details." If the person fails
                      to answer within a certain time, you can take that
                      person's default. Then you hire a private investigator
                      to find the person and his assets. The cost depends on
                      the judge, particularly on how many publications and
                      for how long - check your local rules, but hopefully,
                      you are in a situation where you can recover costs
                      and fees. Also, lest I forget, service by publication
                      generally does not work for small claims matters, but
                      once again, check your local rules.
2003/5/8-9 [Consumer/Camera] UID:28378 Activity:high
5/8     I'm about to buy an Olympus C-4000 digital camera. Anyone
        wanna talk me out of it?
        \_  go to http://www.epinions.com - some criticism on it or the 3000z
        \_ I've found http://www.dpreview.com especially the forums, quite
           invaluable when it comes to making these decisions.
          \_ Thanks! I think I've changed my mind now b/c of this. -op
2003/5/8-9 [Uncategorized] UID:28379 Activity:nil
5/8     pronto. cheapest place for jumbo refi, nofees?
        \_ go to a mortgage broker
        \_ don't pay points  --refi'd 4 times in 2 years
2003/5/8-9 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:28380 Activity:high
5/8     Pat Buchanan on the War on Iraq:
        http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32433
        \_ GO PAT! GO!  (link unread, any reference to Pat always has his
           campaign slogan as the right response)
        \_ strange.  I am a left-wing liberal, but i find myself agree
           with a lot of what he said.
2003/5/8-9 [Computer/Companies/Apple] UID:28381 Activity:moderate
5/8     Slashdot reminded me that I have a bunch of old Apple IIe floppies.
        Has anybody had any luck recovering some of that data without paying
        through the nose?
        \_ You can probably find external drives on ebay for $20 and then
           you just need drivers for it.  I'm sure someone has made
           drivers for linux, PC, Mac, etc.
        \_ Just curious but what could possibly be on A2e floppies that you'd
           care about except maybe a working copy of Bilestoad?
           \_ Robot Odyssey
           \_ Wizardry!
2003/5/8-9 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:28382 Activity:moderate
5/8     North Korea, home of "the best health care system for people."
        http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2003/200305/news05/08.htm#11
        \_ We have hundreds of nuclear missiles pointed at your country,
           stupid American. -kjil
           \_ Nonsense.  You have 2 or 3 and nothing that can go across the
              Pacific.  Go ahead and waste Japan or SK.  Or both.
              \_ bombs are easy to smuggle in on a boat
              \_ NO!!!!! WE MUST NOT LET THEM WASTE THE H07 4ZN CH1X
                 IN KOREA AND JAPAN!!!! WE MUST PROTECT THE H07 4ZN
                 CH1X AT ALL COST!!!
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