5/2 Re: Apple Music service -- It's pretty cool! I couldn't find the
first few things I was looking for, but I eventually found something
I was interested in (Linton Kwesi Johnson's "Fite Dem Back").
The price is reasonable, and the sound quality very good.
\_ here's a challenge: name any industry that has lead as strong
an attack on the rights of Americans as the RIAA/MPAA.
fuck these assholes. I'll buy music when i know my money
actually goes to the musicians, not to pay for a legal war
against the American consumer and in particular engineers.
until then i'll just listen to my shitty magnetic tapes from the
'80s.
\_ why bother with tapes when you can download good quality
music with software like kazaa?
\_ Uhm ok and why would you do this when there's P2P?
\_ You've obviously never used P2P. After looking for a song, and
choosing among the various bit-rates, etc., half the time I get
a download that is damaged or sounds bad. Besides that, I'm
willing to pay a buck a song--if I buy the song, maybe more music
I like will be made. If I don't, there's no incentive. -Not OP
\_ There's no incentive anyway. Music isn't made based on some
sort of feedback loop. They make music and then push it via
radio and mtv until the kids brains turn to mush and there's
little else easily available. Until they create the next fad.
\_ OH My God! Pink is the new orange!
\_ No, that was last year. This year black is the new
black. Can't you keep up with simple trends?
\- Does anyone know how much of that $.99 goes to apple, how much to
the RIAA and how much to the musician? my guess would be 60, 35, 4.
\_ Your guess would be paying musicians about 20 times what they
are paid on CD sales.
\_ that still doesn't make it any more palatable
\_ 4 cens on the dollar is 20x what they are paid on cds? I
think not. 4 cents on the dollar is about what they are paid
on CDs based on my recollection of the heresay about the one
famous band that i've met personally and know friends of. There
how the RIAA etc would try ti quash that. --psb
is absolutely know way that artists (successful ones anyway)
make only .2 cents on the dollar. Stop believing all the
communist hype you are spoon fed. (teachers are not underpaid
You'd work 50+ hours per week trying to teach _/
20+ kids things they don't want to learn and
deal with parents who aren't willing to take
responsibility for their children for less
than $45k per year (or $21k per year for
starting teachers)? Stop talking out of your
ass.
\_ I think $45k is probably a good average, but where
I work (K-12 district) starting is $40k, $48k after 2
years, and you top out at $70k if you have a master's.
Decent benefits, impossible to get fired, etc... high
compared to blue collar work, but low for a job that
requires a college degree. probably more than most
artists, journalists, musicians, writers, etc.
\_ It's not a real college degree. I know someone
who got the $70k+ range and after her first 2
years just rehashed the same lesson plans and
did as little as humanly possible like the rest
of the slackers she worked with.
\_ 1) Teachers don't do 50+ hours.
\_ my sister used to be an elementary school
teacher and easily put in 50+ hours and
she wasn't putting in any more time than
any of the other teachers at her school
\_ Because she knows what the other teachers
did at home, huh? Riiiiight.
2) Most kids want to learn if the teacher doesn't
suck. There's nothing wrong with kids today.
3) Parents have nothing to do with it. I didn't
have a single friend in k-12 with parents that
did anything more than show at a parent teacher
meeting once a year, yet most of the kids did
all their homework, learned stuff, and got decent
grades they actually earned.
4) Yes, I know actual real teachers who are working
in California K-12 right now. I'm more motivated
at work after giving notice than they are during
normal days. I've got no sympathy for the poor
oppressed unionized teachers who are fucking up
anecdotal evidence? Are you trying to
look foolish?
the school system and the kids for their own
lazy asses.
\_ I know half a dozen teachers. They all work
hard and all but one is very motivated.
You are full of crap.
\_ Wow your anecdotal evidence sure made
mince meat outta me! Ow! I'll bet none of
your highly motivated hard working teachers
has been at it for more than about 3 years.
When you have something to say worth the
bits you can come back and say it and you
won't be mocked.
\_ Point 4 was anecdotal. You mock someone
who uses anecdotal evidence against
anecdotal evidence?
\_ I made several statements only one
of which was anecdotal. The reply
was 100% anecdotal. Back to basic
reading comp. for you. Thanks. I
still haven't seen an answer to how
many years these highly motivated
friends have taught which is a key
question. Teachers spend a lot of
time in the first few years making
lesson plans and then just rehash
the same shit from memory until they
pension out 30 years later. My
k-12 science teachers could tell you
all about the sun and the 7 planets.
\_ I didn't (and don't) disagree
with points 1-3. The teachers
I know have varying levels of
experience. The most senior ones
have 7 and 10+ years experience.
The one with 7 years experience
is hard working and well liked
by his students and also teaches
the tennis team.
either). Try getting/crunching some numbers on your own.
\- i wonder what would happen if bands started publicly
saying "if you steal out music, we'd appreciate it if you
sent a $1 to PO Box ...". it would be interesting to see
how the RIAA etc would try to quash that. --psb
\_ bands don't own their music, labels do that so
riaa wouldn't care (it's already been done too)
\- so what? i can say something on my
WEEB site saying "anytime you buy a U2
CD pls mail me a dollar". --psb
\_ Last time I looked at public figures, the typical band was
paid 5 cents... A CD. Madonna, Metallica, etc, are not
'typical' bands. Of course, given the volume of sales they
have and their average return on an album, their behavior
seems nothing if not greedy.
\_ Yeah, bad greedy artists! Trying to make money off
music...what avarice! Money should only be made by
geeks locked in flourescent-lit windowless rooms,
drinking jolt, and kernel hacking on linux until 4am.
\_ who's trying to make money hacking linux?
\_ huh? redhat? ibm? linus? where've you been?
\_ http://www.music-law.com/contractbasics.html
Basically, after paying back the label for studio time
promotions, etc., the band makes $1 per full priced US
album (to 50 cents for others). This is consistent
with what i have been told by my rock star acquaintences.
please stop talking out your ass, tnx.
\_ You have rock star friends?! Kewl! I met greenday
once! We totally chilled out on the patio and drank
a beer and everything! It was so kewl! Man! Those
were the days! Hanging out with rock stars, learning
the details of the inner working of the music biz,
getting their social security numbers and mother's
maiden names... yeah... band camp. Loved it!
\_ Except they have zero talent, and suck.
\_ Here's a case of someone so clueless and not
"getting it" they actually attacked the random
band I named (and never met) and skipped the
rest which was obviously not intended
literally. Don't they teach you anything in
school anymore, like basic reading comp? Isn't
that stuff still on the SAT? How'd you get
into Cal?
\_ I just think you are upset because
you are embarassed about being associated
with such garbage music.
\_ *laugh* okey dokey you got me. Yes,
green day used to come by my pad and
we'd smoke a bowl and do homeless
telegraph underage runaway chicks and
swap needles. That's much more likely
than I just chose the only local band
I know of that got famous. Yup, yup,
yup. You're too smart for the motd.
Or you're just upset because I mocked
your silly comment about you having
rock star friends who give you the
inside industry scoop. It's a tough
call but I'm sure you chose wisely.
\_ I have also heard the $1 per CD figure. I think
Prince mentioned it in one of his rants about how
arists are ripped off. That's bad enough. There's
no need to make up insanely small figures. --dim
\_ I'm not making up insanely small figures. Hello,
prince made the soundtrack for a Batman film.
He's a Maddona/Metallica/U2 class artist. Those
guys get paid much better than, say, Weezer,
the Eels, etc. etc.
\_ prince? You mean TAFKAP.
\_ You have to sell a million CDs before you see a dime:
http://dir.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html
All these blowhards don't know anything about the way
the music industry actually works. Courtney Love does.
Or read the USA Today take on it all:
http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2002-09-15-artists-rights_x.htm
\_ Stop bringing facts to the motd. I'm going to have to
start bashing your sources since I can't disprove them.
"<insert newspaper/magazine name here> just sucks and is
totally biased and owned by the VRWC!"
\_ if you're making fun of people who get upset about the
whole moonie-washington times thing, maybe you should
look into who the moonies are more. I've dealt with
cults in person(the scientologists) and seen what
they do to peoples lives directly. the source
does matter, if only in that it is important not to
support Evil.
\_ I appreciate the sentiment, but the moonies don't
own the washtimes for the money, it's an investment
to help them build ties with Washington.
\_ If they were just in it for the money, I might
be able to believe what they have to say. As you
point out, they are in it for political reasons.
\_ so you've dealt with the scientologists and that
makes the moonies bad? oooookaaaaaay. So what
makes christians, jews, muslims, hindus, or anyone
else not bad? they're the same as the moonies and
other so-called cults. the *only* difference is
the major religions of today are much older and thus
had more time to be successful spreading their weird
shit. you're ok with successful cults, yet want to
destroy the newer ones? whatever....
\_ Courtney Love's article is a ripoff of of the classic:
http://www.ram.org/ramblings/philosophy/fmp/albini.html |