4/25 Can foreigners file lawsuits against US citizens, corporations, or
other entities in the US?
\_ Unfortunately, yes in most circumstances.
\_ of course! What you think if you break a contract with a
foreigner they can't sue you for breach of contract or something?
\_ ok. Then why can't the Iraqi people file a class action
lawsuit for wrongfully death of their family members as
a result of the bombing?
\_ They can, and they should. Unfortunately, US courts
have a tendency to dismiss cases against the military
in times of "war." The only way they're likely to see
any results (and this is a long shot) is if they take
it up with the World Court at the Hague.
\_ which US does not recognize. USA has a tendency
to disregard international law of any sort when
they found it inconvenient.
\_ there's no such thing as international law. all
countries ignore this silly internation law
fantasy when they find it inconvenient and why
shouldn't they? do you *really* want some 3rd
world dictators deciding how you can live your
life in this country? do you want the EU making
the same decisions? there aint no democracy in
the UN, kids. i never understood why *any*
American citizen would want the UN to have any
power or control over our government. maybe it
is just a case of simple ignorance about the UN
and the world in general. or maybe you're just
trolling? either way, it's a silly concept.
\_ Don't be stupid. UN has served us well for
years. It's a good tool for controlling
the world. Only the current president is
incompetent in using the UN to achieve US
goals.
\_ Please cite a war or genocide it has
prevented. The UN was founded by Communists,
prevented. Provide evidence for
all this success you cite. Could it be
you are historically ignorant?
The UN was founded by Communists,
and continues to be run by Communists,
look it up.
\_ A big chunk of the world really don't
give a fuck about your commie liberal
right wing facist war. If US is so
great, why did it kill Indians, invade
Filipines, oppressed blacks, experiment
on its own people? Why should anyone
trust your benevolence? Why don't you
just fuck off and stop bothering other
countries.
\_ Good plan. Anyone who has ever done
anything bad in the past is not
permitted to attempt to do anything
good forever after. I like it. I
predict world-wide chaos and complete
collapse within about 5 minutes of the
enforcement of that policy. Can I
vote for you for public office?
\_ Well, the person is saying
abolish the UN and just trust US
benevolence. US has shown again
and again that it mostly only
cares about its own self-
interest. Why did it give all
the chemical weapons to Saddam?
Sorry, we'll pass. Fuck off.
\_ Idiot. All countries only
care about their own self
interest. Any country that
doesn't won't be around for
too long. Can you be anymore
naive? I think not.
\_ Oh, so you believe in law
of the jungle. I see.
\_ I believe in reality.
Please name the country
that has ever acted in
anything other than self
interest in foreign
affairs and policy.
\_ At no point did anyone say to
just trust the US. If you want
to create your own straw man to
knock down and it somehow makes
you feel smart to do so then be
my guest. Just do it somewhere
else. I'm sure there are
plenty of mindless forums out
there that would welcome your
sort of anti-intellectualism.
\_ It's called using a
strawman against a
strawman. If you can't
take it, go away.
\_ No. It's called making
shit up and putting words
in other people's mouths.
Your debate fu is weak.
\_ If UN did not sanction Iraq for 10
years, Saddam would have been able to
acquire all kinds of new and
replacement parts for its army.
\_ If the UN hadn't sabotaged sanctions,
they might have worked.
\_ Sanctions haven't ever worked
anywhere. The victim country ends
up with hungry civilians while the
leaders and military continue to
shit on gold toilets and fill their
Swiss bank accounts.
\_ *sigh* ok, i'll bite. Run by
communists now? what? do you mean
people who used to be communists?
people who are just as bad as
communists? or do you actually
believe that the whole UN is controlled
by the Chinese?
\_ I'm not the previous person, and he's
wrong about the communist thing but he
was close. It's really run by a bunch
of socialists which is just as bad.
\_ just as bad? socialists?
so northern european countries
that have socialized healthcare
and more welfare than you agree
with are as evil as the Soviet
Union or the Kmer Rouge?
Do you seriously believe that?
This is exactly how communists
sound when they talk about the
evil capitalist imperialist
oppressors. and they're full
of shit, too.
\_ Evil right winger nutter imperialist
hegemon fascist! How *dare* you raise
a challenge to the New World Order and
Internation Law as embodied by the
corrupt beaurocrats at the UN? Next,
you'll be coming up with links about how
UN 'peace keepers' have engaged in the
sex slave trade almost everywhere they're
sent. How could you think such a thing
of people who only have your best
interests at heart? From each according
to their ability, to each according to
his need (or ability to manipulate the
leftist press in the EU and USA).
\_ Nah, US is the New World Order.
\_ Uhm, no. That's not what was ever
meant at all. Start a new top
level thread if you want to discuss
this in detail.
\_ Actually, no, they can't. Anyone can file anything
they'd like but it's going to be instantly dimissed.
Anyway, there weren't any wrongful deaths.
\_ they *should*? Who are you, some kind of anti-war
fanatic? -gw bush #1 fan
\- in general you can only sue the govt, when the
govt decides to let you sue "him" ... so in
some cases the govt may reserve the standing
issue to citizens. the jurisdictional issue
is more complicated. you may wish to learn about
"conflict of laws" also read something like
C. Rembar: The Law of the Land on the development
of the right to sue the king. --psb
\_ we all knew this. you're taking it too
seriously. (and anyoen who didn't know this
can go back to where ever they came from!) |