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| 2003/4/8 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:28025 Activity:high |
4/7 Here is a completely absurd question (I know this will never happen
but..) Imagine that Saddam Hussein and his cabinet of ministers are
all captured alive. Suppose, that six months later the we still fail
to find a credible proof that Iraq was producing WMDs. What other
excuse will our government use then for not reinstating Saddam
as the president again since he represents the legitimate government
of Iraq?
\_ You don't consider finding evidence of biological weapons and
chemical weapons enough proof of WMD?
\_ All planted by the US government.
\_ What evidence? So far everything that has been announced to be
a "Smoking Gun" eventually turned out to be missilies with
conventional warheads, or pesticides, or some other non-WMD
related chemicals. (e.g. http://csua.org/u/c9d
\_ He was killed while trying to escape, of course. Or we could just
release a video of him being some Bubba's bitch in prison. That
should fix his political future.
\_ How about a major blockbuster hit movie in which he is Satan's
gay lover? Thank you Trey Parker and Matt Stone.
\_ Excuse? So you consider WMD's an excuse (from your use of "other")?
How about 12 years of UN resolution violations?
\_ Never proven. And it would be upto UN to prosecute these.
\_ I used -excuse- word because the WMD argument was used merely
as an excuse to start the war. They didn't show us a credible
proof so far that these weapons exist and if they do whether
they posess any treat to USA.
\_ And how long has Israel been violating UN resolutions?
\_ Oh no! Israel has been brought to the table. Now someone
surely will -have- to delete this thread.
\_ irrelevant since he will be tried for War Crimes ie: Kurds
\_ American propaganda. The Kurdish accusation is absurd on its
face. There is no proof that chemical weapons were used.
Even if there were, the proof was manufactured by the
US and Kurdish traitors. Besides, the decision to use
chemical weapons were made at a local level. And Saddam
actually thought he was authorizing the spraying of fertilizers
anyway, and it was an honest mistake that chemical weaponry
were loaded into the missiles instead. Besides, Iraq did
not possess chemical weaponry, so it was impossible it
was used against the Kurds. qed.
\_ The truth is that the much touted "Saddam uses gas
on his own people" myth is almost assuredly a lie:
http://truthout.org/docs_02/020303C.htm
Saddam used mustard gas many times on the Iranians,
but that is not really the same thing.
\_ And of course, Iraq's actions during that war were
done with a full US support and approval.
\_ You mean our boy Jimmy who told Saddam he'd have
our full support if he invaded Iran? That support
and approval?
\_ The US did not approve of Hussein's use of gas.
\_ Yep. Guy citing top secret hush hush US intelligence
you-can't-read-them-just-trust-me-what-they-say
documents. Got me convinced.
\_ How about these Marine Corp assessments, that
say also that it was Iranian, not Iraqi gas?
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/ops/war/docs/3203/appb.pdf
\_ On the other hand, here's something more recent:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.htm
Whether recent means more likely to be slanted by
current politics or based on more recent information
is of course based on your own prejudices.
\_ Here is a very long, well documented, though
sometimes overstated summary of the evidence:
http://www.mediamonitors.net/robinmiller10.html
The Army War College assessment does not
disagree with the CIA document above, except
in omission. Both say there was a battle, both
say Iraq used mustard, but the Army and Marines
decided that Iran used blood agent, which caused
most of the casualties observed by the foreign
press. In any case, the evidence is weak, not
the slam dunk it was portrayed in the US press.
\_ The US government lies all the time to get us to agree to
dubious wars. GWB is hardly the first:
http://goatee.net/2003/deadly-deceit.html |
| 2003/4/8 [Uncategorized] UID:28026 Activity:nil |
4/7 Is Legolas (in Lord of the Rings) gay? |
| 2003/4/8 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:28027 Activity:nil |
4/7 What is the official Israeli stance on the war?
\_ Preemptive war and targeted killings without support
of a world body (in fact, scorn from a substantial number of
nations) are fine to insure domestic security, especially if
the other side is associated with suicide bombers. |
| 2003/4/8 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:28028 Activity:high |
4/7 Isn't it funny that someone is perfectly ok with being denied entrance
to a college in favor of people with lower scores, so long as that
person with lower scores was white?
http://csua.org/u/c9e (washington post column, free registration, blah
blah)
\_ As much as I hate to take the same of the issue as the knee-jerk
pseduoconservative facists, this author missed the point. No one
got points for being white. People *did* get points for being
part of a recognized minority group. The other bonuses had to
do with things like participation in athletics, student government
and social service organizations. None of these, which the single
exception of the child-of-alumni credit, has a disctinct racial
correlation slanted towards white people. Assuming that the
comfort or discomfort of this applicant had to do with the race
of the benefactors is both unfair and unwarranted by anything I
have heard from her. -liberal lawyer
\_ Just curious, are you saying motd conservatives are really
faux conservatives, faux fascists, or both? And if so, how
can we be real conservatives, fascists, or both in your
liberal lawyer view? --wannabe pseudoconservative fascist
\_ I imagine you will get far with this insightful pithy legal
rhetoric. Please post your name / affiliation so others
might avoid your services.
\_ White? I thought it's usually black or Hispanic.
\_ No, you fail to understand. See, she didn't sue when she found
out that she had lost out to a person with lower scores. That
didn't bother her when she thought it was due to some other sort
of desire the college had (for people with diverse socioeconomic
he did not mention any of the other criterion for getting "points".
backgrounds, athletes, etc.). No, she only sued when she found
out that she had lost out to people who were black.
\_ Perhaps she was comfortable with a policy that gave extra
points to applicants' accomplishments and talents
as opposed to their ancestry.
\_ Yeah, as long as they were white!
\_ Current case law: You can't use quotas, but you can use race as
a "factor". 20 points for being black out of 150 points is a
"factor" but not a quota, so it's legal.
\_ I love people who can't distinguish between a moral discussion
and a legal one. (this includes almost all lawyers). Do you
plan on becoming a lawyer. 'Cause you already have the mind-set.
\_ obcookie
\_ No, it's not funny, or even interesting, at all. I would wager that
the majority of people who are against race-based affirmative action
are in favor of socio-economic affirmative action (at the very least
as a "reasonable compromise"). Socio-economic AA is not racist,
whereas race-based AA, ipso facto, is. What *Is* "funny" is that
he did not mention any of the other criteria for getting "points".
I can only assume that this is because if he had people would have
noticed a difference between judging based on those items and judging
based on race. As the individual bringing suit may have as well.
\_ I disagree with your "ipso-facto." This is opinion, rather than
\_ I'm not the original author, but I'll defend the use of
the term "ipso-facto". The immediate clause indicates that
race based AA is a racist practice. This is true, whether
you find is morally repugnant or morally just. Perhaps it
the difference is that the latter term has a negative
connotation whereas the former may not for some. Be
wary when reframing a statement changes your opinion of it.
This typically means you are holding conflicting beliefs
and could use a little introspection.
\_ Sigh... you're bringing harsh facts into this. Please,
stop now before someone learns something and becomes a
better person! Think of the children!
fact. Why is it ok for a school to place importance on elements
of diversity such a culture, heritage, and socio-economic
background, but not on ethnicity? Ethnicity in America is the
very essence of culture. To say that race "doesn't
matter" and "has no bearing" when it clearly DOES have a bearing
is willfully ignorant of life in America. But that's just my
opinion. By the way, the motd conservatives are way too easy
to troll.
\_ The problem is you can't just become black to earn these
bonus points. There are lots of poor people irrespective
of what color they are, so it's okay to earn points because
you're poor.
\_ Do it for the children! Please stop now!
\_ Got your point smashed to the sharpness of a dull crayon so
you decide to claim you were just trolling all along? Uh huh.
Like anyone believes that. Back to rhetoric 1a for you! |
| 2003/4/8-9 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:28029 Activity:high |
4/8 This is what you get for tell people what US of A
doesn't want you to tell:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2928153.stm
Call me a cynic, but I think US destroyed Al Jazeera office
deliberately.
\_ Ok you're a cynic
\_ and you're naive.
\_ Great way to gain credibility for your opinions. Go around
belittling the competence of your opponents by name-calling
and questioning their knowledge. Anyone who disagrees
with me is obviously an idiot. -John
\_ cynic sounds right, but naive is mightily persuasive!
\_ John, the first was a joke and the second was just an
idiot the rest of us chose to ignore. Why couldn't you?
\_ And a few French embassies. And so what? It isn't for telling
people what we don't want them to tell. It's for being lying
sacks of shit and enemies of our nation. We bomb our enemies.
Why is that a big surprise? Anyway, if they weren't hanging out
with Iraqi snipers trying to get a good photo or story, they
wouldn't be getting killed or bombed as often.
\_ You know, freedom of the press is one of the things that
foreign oppressed people particularly admire about the
United States. This tarnishes our reputation a bit,
don't you think?
\_ Our press is quite free. What are you talking about? If
you're concerned about freedom of the press, look at the rest
of the non-Western world.
\_ What am I talking about? I am saying that deliberately
killing journalists makes our comittment to free
press look less than sterling. What are you talking
about?
\_ Who said we deliberately killed journalists? If we
wanted to deliverately murder journalists I think the
U.S. marines have proven quite capable of killing
anyone they're pointed at. One or two dead here and
there *in a war zone!!!!* is no big surprise. How many
journalists do you think we killed in Dresden? sheesh.
\_ freedom of press only applies to people of US Citizenship
and people who have no threat to the big brother. Look
at MLK, he was assasinated by the big brother.
\_ For the people! Kill whitey! Death to the Man! Blame
America First! Yeah! Down with big brother!
\_ Um, since when was being a war correspondent a safe and cushy
job?
\_ Worked for Wolf Blitzer and they promised to not target any
civilian areas and we know that being in a war zone as a civvy
is really safe so it must have been intentional murder. |
| 2003/4/8-9 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:28030 Activity:high |
4/8 Godmother of Baghdad
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=7145
\_ this is from David "American liberals are responsible
for Stalin murdering millions" Horowitz's website,
who cares besides that one guy who's always posting
frontpagemag urls? - danh
\_ But they are, can't you see? Plus, Hitler was really
a liberal.
\_ No. Hitler was a socialist. BTW, since you mention Hitler
first, you automatically lose. You lose extra points for
not even bothering to accuse someone else of being Hitler.
\_ No, I was just trying to get someone to delete this
whole idiotic thread. But I think this whole thing is
proof that deliberate trolls don't get deleted.
\_ RACIST! HITLERITE!
\_ from the same site:
"MOMENT OF TRUTH
(For the Anti-American Left)
Every movement has its moment of truth. At an "anti-war"
teach-in at Columbia last week, Anthropology professor
Nicholas De Genova told 3,000 students and faculty, "Peace
is not patriotic"
In other words, bad troll, no cookie.
\_ This whole thread is a troll. Censorbot, ACTIVATE! |
| 2003/4/8-9 [Finance/Investment] UID:28031 Activity:high |
4/7 What's a good pointer to sell your time-share? ok thx
\_ There are time-shares that aren't scams? First I've heard of it.
As far as i can tell time shares are always sold at the same kinds
of seminars where "breakthrough marketing opportunities on the
internet" are sold.
\_ There was an article in Smartmoney Magazine (WSJ affliated)
that tried to make a case that time shares do not totally
deserve all the bad publicity. It did mention that it is
best to buy it second hand rather than directly from one of
those slippery snake oil salesperson.
\_ No one buys a timeshare as an investment.
\_ I would have thought the same, but I know a couple people who
claim to love having their timeshare. They swap with other
timeshares in various places. I suppose this is cheaper than
just booking hotels or whatever in these places.
\_ Trading credits for other destinations has a fee attached
as high as $500/week, or as much as I spend in many places.
TSs work if you like a place a lot, and keeping coming
back. I prefer to change it up myself.
\_ are they really timeshares, or did they just go in
with a bunch of friends or aquaintances to buy a
shared vacation home? I've known several people who've
been happy with the later, but only suckers who've fallen
for the former.
\_ There is always eBay. If the site is fairly desirable, you can
also try the rental method. I hear okay things about that.
\_ Timeshares are like the market in the late 90's. It's a game of
selling to the greater fool, except in timeshares, most people are
smart enough to not buy one in the first place so everyone except
the original builder loses money. A good pointer? Get good fire
insurance and burn the fucker. |
| 2003/4/8-9 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:28032 Activity:low |
4/8 What is a good program in FreeBSD to draw flow charts? Thanks.
\_ xfig? |
| 2003/4/8-9 [Transportation] UID:28033 Activity:high |
4/8 I might buy a used vehicle. What's the best way to exchange money?
Cash is too dangerous. Check takes days to clear. What's a good
alternative?
\_ money order/cashier's check. Duh.
\_ money order/cashier's check. Duh.
\_ money order/cashier's check. Duh.
\_ money order/cashier's check. Duh.
\_ money order/cashier's check. Duh.
\_ I think what he's trying to say is money order or cashier's check
\_ Just as dangerous as cash.
\_ depends on how secure you want to be.
A money order is less secure than a cashier's check, but
a cashier's check is at least if not more secure than
a regular check, and clears instantly.
\_ some hearsay for your: a friend of a friend allegedly
said they got a cashier's check through ebay, cashed
it at the bank sent the product, and then the
bank came back and said "woops it was a forged check,
we are taking the money out of your account.
\_ maybe they should try using escrow next time?
\_ crack. bring enough crack for the vehicle value. and a shotgun. |
| 2003/4/8-9 [Uncategorized] UID:28034 Activity:moderate |
4/8 Anyone heard of a peer2peer program called Phynd? Know anyone
currently running or who once ran a Phynd server at Berkeley?
Please drop me an email if you do. -dans
\_ Yeah I read in the news that the RIAA was suing some guys
who used Phynd $1.5 Trillion dollars.
\_ not $93T?
\_ that would be ridiculous |
| 2003/4/8-9 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:28035 Activity:very high |
4/8 If Saddam has a network of underground tunnels, why aren't special
ops going through the tunnel system already? (they captured palaces)
\_ Who says they aren't? Just because Geraldo and Arnett and Al
Jazeera are walking around the war zone doesn't mean our special
ops guys takes them on every mission. sheesh. this isn't a movie!
\_ true that there are special ops possibly going down there. |
| 2003/4/8-9 [Science/GlobalWarming, Recreation/Food] UID:28036 Activity:nil |
4/8 geek fiction:
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/4/3/19455/41933
\_ a kur5hin story/bad geek fiction is not more interesting than
the motd you destroyed. |
| 2003/4/8-9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:28037 Activity:nil |
4/8 Motd restored. If you're going to remove it, you have a moral
obligation to replace it with something more interesting. Your
comments on how boring the current one is are not more interesting.
Thank you for playing the Motd Restoration Game! Play Again(y/N)?__ |
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