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2003/4/7 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:28012 Activity:high
4/7     The 'dict' command always seems to format stuff very nicely
        from the commadn line, but when I envoke it from code or a
        shell script I get no formatting... couldn't find anything on
        the man page. is there an env var I should set to get this to
        work?  thanks.
        \_ it could be using isatty() to check the output is on a terminal
           or not in which case it's not an environment issue. Use the source
           Luke.
        \_ it could be using isatty() to check the output is on a
           terminal or not in which case it's not an environment
           issue. Use the source Luke.
2003/4/7 [Transportation/Car] UID:28013 Activity:very high
4/7     The sun is really bad for the skin.  I'm considering using a
        parasol whenever I'm under the sun like in a parking lot
        walking to my car. Using this "sun umbrellas" seems more
        popular in Asia than here. What do you think of a guy who uses
        parasols?  -good skin guy
        \_ Sorry to sound dogmatic on this, but men with parasols are effeminate
           no matter how you turn it.  Use sunblock and wear a hat if you're
           worried.  I saw a nice place called Paul's Hat Works at 6128
           Geary in SF.  Or invest in a decent lightweight linen/cotton
           summer suit.  That's stylish.  -John
           \_ For more stylish tips, see the clapping hands hat thread below.
        \_ Sorry to sound dogmatic on this, but men with parasols are
           effeminate no matter how you turn it.  Use sunblock and
           wear a hat if you're worried.  I saw a nice place called
           Paul's Hat Works at 6128 Geary in SF.  Or invest in a
           decent lightweight linen/cotton summer suit.  That's
           stylish.  -John
           \_ For more stylish tips, see the clapping hands hat thread
              below.
        \_ I try sun block or a panama hat before resorting to a sun
           parasol (unless you are interested in getting picked up by
           gay guys). Another trick is to comb your hair with a little
           bit of coconut oil. It keeps you head cool all day.
        \_ Dude. It's from the parking lot to the car. Unless the ozone
           layer has disappeared or the US has gone unilateral nookuler,
           you're really kinda pathetic.
        \_ Dude. It's from the parking lot to the car. Unless the
           ozone layer has disappeared or the US has gone unilateral
           nookuler, you're really kinda pathetic.
        \_ To be honest, using a parasol seems quite consistent
           behavior for someone who calls himself the "good skin guy".
           Parasol away, dude.
        \_ Real Men wear cowboy hats.
        \_ I heard that a little sunshine is good for the skin.
           Something along the line of Vitamin E, I don't remember.
           \_ Vitamin D.
           \_ The GSG (good skin guy) won't let a little vitamin
              deficiency stop him!
        \_ One piece of advice: use sunscreen. (and hats)
2003/4/7 [Reference/Military] UID:28014 Activity:high
4/7     Chemical Ali is now Fertilizer Ali
        \_ Illusions and foul deceit and lies of the evil imperialists!  I'm
           going to laugh my ass off if there's a press conference and he
           goes off again about how the US is getting crushed, blah, blah and
           then a Humvee pulls up and some American marines get out and wave.
        \_ Illusions and foul deceit and lies of the evil
              offensive.  People always lie when their arse is getting kicked.
           imperialists!  I'm going to laugh my ass off if there's a
           press conference and he goes off again about how the US is
           getting crushed, blah, blah and then a Humvee pulls up and
           some American marines get out and wave.
           \_ That's exactly what happened in Vietnam during the Hue
              offensive.  People always lie when their arse is getting
              kicked.
              \_ reference?  That sounds funny.
              \_ I'm wondering which way you think the lying was going?
                 US -> public or VC -> public or media -> public?
2003/4/7 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/India] UID:28015 Activity:nil
4/7     Remeber afghanistan?
        http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-Reviving-Taliban.html
2003/4/7 [Uncategorized] UID:28016 Activity:nil
4/7     You know those hats that have the hands on top that clap when
        you pull a string or something? Anyone know where I can get
        one of those? None of the local toy stores have them.
        \_ ask the berkeley hat store on telegraph.
2003/4/7 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:28017 Activity:nil
4/7     Yeah Arnett... you were fired for telling the truth. Why don't
        you ask the interviewer to look out his windows now and see
        Stars and Stripes.
        \_ This is all an illusion.  The Americans are in a quagmire
           in all parts of the country.  They aren't 100km from
           Baghdad.  They are stuck in the Baghdad airport.  They have
           been beaten at the airport and send running.  Hundreds of
           Americans were killed.  They commit suicide against the
           walls of Baghdad and we encourage them to do so. There are
           no WMD in Iraq.  Chemical Ali is still alive.  Saddam is
           still in complete control.  We have used only one third of
           our might.  This shall be the mother of all battles!  Peter
           Arnett is a quality journalist who reports the truth, not
           an American hating ultra leftist.  And now you know the
           rest of the story! (I always wanted to say that... heh)
           \_ In all fairness, Arnett was once a quality journalist
              whose reporting won a pulitzer. These days he seems
              to be suffering the journalistic equivalent of
              stockholm syndrome.
2003/4/7 [Politics/Domestic/President, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:28018 Activity:high
4/7     Getting on Gandhi's case!  Next thing you know, you guys will
        be blasting Martin Luther King Jr.  Why don't we slag off FDR,
        JFK, Eisenhower, and Lincoln while we're at it?  Damn, I mean,
        HAS their been a leader that wasn't completely full of shit
        and out to lunch? Its no wonder that we don't have great
        leaders anymore - they would never survive the cynicism of
        today.
        \_ What's wrong with questioning leaders of any sort?  And
           while we're at it, Lincoln was a Republican who used
           slavery as an excuse to attack his southern neighbors.
           Actually mu favorite is JFK.  I'd like to know what JFK did
           that made him such a great leader.  He brought us to the
           edge of nuclear hell and back?  He banged a few hot chicks?
           Gave some good speeches?  What?
        \_ MLK was naive as a leader and a plagiarist.  FDR was an
           autocrat. JFK had mafia connections and took a lot of rash,
           dangerous decisions.  Ike was militarily a waffler.  Hitler
           liked dogs and children.  Is this a new thing, not being
           allowed to criticize leadership icons?  Or do you just
           love adhering to your grammar-school-inculated picture of a
           black-and-white-world?  -John
           \_ Hitler was also vegetarian and did not drink or smoke.
              He was also not a philanderer.
        \_ FDR was the worst President ever - he is primarily
           responsible for the destruction of this republic.  What
           were JFK's accomplishments? Assisinating Diem and setting
           the stage for an inept civilian run war, the disaster in
           the Bay of Pigs, etc. Yes, MLK was a inveterate plagiarist
           and a hardcore Marxist, but you do have to give him credit
           for standing up against that which was morally
           reprehensible, when few others would.
        \_ The public memory isn't quite the same as actual history of MLK:
        \_ The public memory isn't quite the same as actual history of
           MLK:
        link:www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/editorial/5571486.htm
        \_ Okay, cool, so you guys can slag off just about anyone!  So
           who's Great?  Oh wait, lemme guess...Reagan, Herbert
           \_ The above were all very good comments.  You can't duck all
              those responses with a lame "you're all sheep" and expect
              anyone to take you seriously or your point to look like
              anything more than silly rantings.  Try to respond to some
              of them and demonstrate their wrongness and yo momma will
              be proud of you.  Until then, no more cookies for you, troll.
           Hoover, Ted Nugent, the Tooth Fairy, and yo momma.  By the
           way, thanks for being sheep and making my point for me.
           \_ The above were all very good comments.  You can't duck
              all those responses with a lame "you're all sheep" and
              expect anyone to take you seriously or your point to
              look like anything more than silly rantings.  Try to
              respond to some of them and demonstrate their wrongness
              and yo momma will be proud of you.  Until then, no more
              cookies for you, troll.
           \_ All human beings are in some way flawed and imperfect.
2003/4/7 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:28019 Activity:very high
4/5     French Football Signals
        http://www.jerhad.com/football.htm
        \_  I'm missing something about all this French-hating.  France,
            Russia and China all threatened to veto the use of force in
            the UN security council.  So why is everyone singling out the
            French?  Because they are allies whos ass we saved in WWII?
            the same could be said for New Zealand, who is also opposed
            to the war. Perhaps you should boycott Return of the King when
            it comes out so you don't have to support kiwi-eating surrender
            monkeys.
        \_ I'm missing something about all this French-hating.
            France, Russia and China all threatened to veto the use of
            force in the UN security council.  So why is everyone
            singling out the French?  Because they are allies whos ass
            we saved in WWII? the same could be said for New Zealand,
            who is also opposed to the war. Perhaps you should boycott
            Return of the King when it comes out so you don't have to
            support kiwi-eating surrender monkeys.
             \_ Because the French not only spearheaded it but did
                really obnoxious and uniquely french things like saying
                they rejected a British compromise proposal to avert
                immediate war before the Iraqis had rejected it.  If
                you'd been paying attention you would know "why the
                french?"
        \_ That's pretty funny
           \_ well, no.
              \_ Get a new sense of humor.  It was fucking hilarious.
                 \_ you're right!  the french are cowardly and smelly!
                    ha ha!
                    \_ Hey, this is as funny as conservatives get,
                       enjoy it while you can.
                       \_ Silly boy, must everything with you be this bi polar
                          conservative vs liberal nonsense?  Maybe sometimes,
                          just sometimes, something can be funny because it's
                          just funny.  This is one of those times.  Laugh.
                          The link is funny.  -!op
                          \_ Vote:
                             funny .
                             not funny ..
                                \_ *laugh* a motd vote... ok, whatever.  Did
                                   you run elections in Florida'00, too?
2003/4/7 [Consumer/Audio] UID:28020 Activity:very high
4/5     Hey I missed out on that Ghandi thing but anyway, if he really
        thought peace at all costs was better than a few deaths in the
        name of freedom and liberty how come he lead so many of his
        own people to take actions against the British which got them
        killed?  What's up with that?
        \_ Gandhi was not opposed to deaths, but he thought that
           people should have the choice of dying for a cause, not
           have that choice made form them by external agents. E.g.,
           re the Jews circa WWII, he did not that that they should
           accept their fate but that they should engage in incidents
           of collective suicide so as to alert the world to their
           plight. See Orwell on Gandhi.
        \_ Gandhi was a complete ass. India would have had freedom
           much earlier and on much better terms had he put aside his
           own political ambitions and supported Bose and
           others. Instead of doing what was best for India and her
           people, he did what was best for Gandhi and relegated India
           to fifty plus years of socialist poverty and despair from
           which it is only now beginning to rise.
           \_ 90-column freeper twink strikes again
           \_ Bose was a map collaborator.  He's rotting in his
              smoking ruins in a jungle somewhere.
                \_ He's most likely dead. Bose may have picked the
                   wrong sides, but he was fighting to free India
                   for the sake of freedom rather than for revenge.
                   Under Bose there would have been no partition.
                \_ He's most likely dead (he would be ~ 105 yrs old
                   this year). Bose may have picked the wrong allies,
                   but at least he was fighting to free India to
                   establish freedom for her citizens rather than
                   fasting for revenge.
           \_ Who's Bose?  Can someone educate me?  A google search
              turned up mostly speakers.
              \_ google.  bose india independence.
              \_ Subhas Chandra Bose.
        \_ Is Gandhi's no violence principles successful because
           the threat people like Bose poses is an unappetizing
           alternative for the Brits?
           of the underlying threat people like Bose poses?
2003/4/7 [Recreation/Dating] UID:28021 Activity:nil
4/5     In today's society, how do Asians and "Americans" view dating
         / sex / marriages / etc. between a couple with the same last
        name?  This question is directed at a couple who are not known
        to be related by blood by at least three generations and that
        along the line, no sons took on the mothers' last names to
        preserve their names.
        \_ Actually, I've never given any thought to that.  As a white
           guy, I'd probably consider having the same last name as a
           small plus-- no dealing with a name change after marriage.
           Anyway, aren't there tests you're supposed to take prior to
           marriage to check that sort of thing out?
           \_ Blood test are not required in every state. And one does
              not have to be married to beget children.
        \_ Coincidence.
        \_ They should immediately break up to save themselves from a
           miserable and painful future.
        \_ with general apathy, as usual.  "who cares?"
        \_ For Chinese, at least, having same lastname is rather
           common. For those who are more traditional, we tend to ask
           where is their ancestorial home down to the county level.
           The general rule of thumb is that if two are from same
           ancestorial home and having same lastname, then, there
           might be a concern. For the not-so-traditional minded, they
           probably have sex anyway.
        \_ "2 Wongs make it white".
            \_ you forget the word "can"
               \- um assuming this is a serious question: in theory
                  in hinduism, people with certain last names [like
                  banerjee] cannot get married to one another because
                  all banerjees are of the same "gotra" [which roughly
                  means they are all descended from the same relig
                  figure] however some last names are really titles
                  and dont imply family relations [like the name
                  "ray"]. on the other hand in this day an age there
                  is a way to finesse this/loophole to get around
                  this. --psb
                  \_ Two people from the same Gothra aren't necessarily
                     related. There is some historical evidence that
                     implies that the term is derived from the ancient
                     practice of requiring students to pay teachers in
                     cattle (go). Students who had the same teachers
                     ended up in the same gothra.
                     \- ok i should have qualified this a little bit.
                        the bengal kulin system is different from the
                        caste system in other parts of india [YMWTS:
                        "Bangalir Itihas", Nirarranjan Ray]. for at
                        least sandilya gothra and bharadvarja gotra
                        they need to take advantage of some loophole
                        due to the relationship theory. i am not sure
                        in what context and sense you offer your
                        comments so i am unable tocomment further. --psb
                           \_ I was merely clarifying the point
                              that gothra and lastname do not
                              imply genetic relationships in
                              all parts of India even for
                              Brahmins (ex. people converted
                              by Ramanuja were assigned gothra's
                              if they did not already have one)
                        \_ sooo, uh... does anyone have a sendmail question?
                           \- indian name/caste/genealogy make sendmail
                              look simple. try to follow an "explanation" [sic]
                              like this http://tanmoy.tripod.com/tradition
2003/4/7 [Uncategorized] UID:28022 Activity:nil
4/7     A long history of deceit:
        http://goatee.net/2003/deadly-deceit.html
2003/4/7-8 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:28023 Activity:nil
4/7     My box is being used to spam people by these bastards:
        <DEAD>www.nooblgati0n0ffers.net/y.gif<DEAD>  How do i know?  I'm
        getting a bunch of bounced spam to root.  Relaying is NOT
        allowed from my box so i don't know how they are doing it.
        Anyway to find out? I'm running sendmail.  Also, who should i
        complain to.  These guys seem to be hosted by Verio.  Anyone
        know who there i should complain to or if it would do any
        good?
        \_ They probably have the Reply-To: line set to you.
        \_ Try sending mail to abuse@verio.net. At one point verio
           was responsive to spam related complaints, but I don't
           know what they are like these days.
2003/4/7 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Domestic] UID:28024 Activity:nil
4/7     Can someone report the link about Japanese Unit731 experimenting
        on living American soldiers?
        \_ http://csua.org/u/c3e
           <DEAD>www.ipsystems.com/powmia/unit-731.html<DEAD>
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