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2003/3/25 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:27832 Activity:insanely high
3/25    Freedom of speech at work
        http://csua.org/u/b84
        \_ You know how you say "Fox News" in Arabic? "Al-Jazeera."
           \_ If anything, Al Jazeera is one news agency which really
              worth respect.  It was being attacked by all fronts in the
              Middle East, and it's unfortunate that US has join the rank
              when the freedom of speech no longer serve their interest
                http://csua.org/u/b85
              \_ Thanks, that was good to know.
              \_ The basic problem Americans have with Al Jazeera is its
                 tendency to emphasize Palestinian suffering over its
                 suicide bombers:  "They blow themselves up because the
                 Jews give them no hope" rationalization.  But that's what
                 the viewers want.
                 \_ well why do you think they blow themselves up?
                    extreme boredom?
                    \_ get clue: it's brainwashing.
                 \_ what, you don't think blowing themselves up is done
                    out of hopelessness?  Who are you?
                    \_ see above.  there are plenty of people with less hope
                       in the world and none of them are blowing up kids in
                       pizza parlors and dance halls.
2003/3/25-26 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus] UID:27833 Activity:high
3/24    I have not been using C/C++ for the last 5 years.  I am wondering if
        there's something like the Perl De/Serializer for C/C++.
           \_ What about something like ResourceBundle in Java?
        \_ of course not. mabye you should take a civics class, you ignorant
           liberal stooge.
                \_ Problems with your self-esteem?  Mommy and daddy too mean?
                   \_ ignore him, his penis too smal, that must be it.
                        \_ what does any of this crap have to do with the OP's
                           question?
           \_ What about something like ResourceBundle in Java?
        \_ Take a look at the following:
           http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/serialization.html
           http://xparam.sourceforge.net/guide
2003/3/25 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:27834 Activity:moderate
3/25    We actually blame Iraq for this:
        http://csua.org/u/b81
        \_ I blame Clinton.
        \_ Bill O'Reilly will probably blame San Francisco
           \_why can't we blow up bridges, schools and cemeteries from 30k ft?
             \_ it was hit by a guided missile.
             \_ it was hit by a guided missile.  any incidents like this
                would make US' occupation a bit more difficult. Trust me
2003/3/25 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration, Reference/Military] UID:27835 Activity:moderate
3/24    Slain Marine Immigrated to U.S., Alone, as a Teen
        (hero from Guatemala died for America)
        http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=23&ID=91051&r=1
        \_ what? no one is going to say how we exploited this poor immigrant?
           where are the leftists when you need a bad laugh?
2003/3/25 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:27836 Activity:very high
3/24    After we defeated Germany and Japan in WWII, we occupied the countries
        and we helped them rebuild.  We're still there today.  Is Afghanistan
        and Iraq going to be any different?  After we bomb the hell out of them
        we're going to foot the bill and rebuild their country.  And stay
        there for the next 50 years?  Is this the so-called "Bush Doctrine"?
        \_ The Bush Doctrine is preemptive strike on countries we fear may
           give WMD to extremist groups.
           \_ When do we staring bombing North Korea?
              \_ As soon as we're done with Iraq and Bush gets tired of
                 diplomatic avenues.
                 \_ You scare the hell out of me, and it's because I'm afraid
                    you're right.
                    \_ You'd prefer what?  We let them build a few nukes each
                       year until they've tested a missile that can hit
                       California and then what?  Because of a lot of small
                       minded people we won't even have a realistic anti-ICBM
                       defense in place by then.  It'll come about 2 years
                       later which is 2 years too late for SD/LA/SF.  Poof!
                 \_ Disagree.  I think Bush will hit Iran first, since we
                    are there already.  It's cheaper to just knock Iran out
                    THEN hit N. Korea later.  I don't think UPS gave US
                    government enough of bulk discount for ferrying
                    250k troops and equipments
                    \_ I'd prefer to see Syria get smushed but I think you're
                       right about Iran.  We build up some big air bases and
                       bring in a few hundred thousand more troops then the
                       Iranian nutters get the axe.
        \_ There is no counterbalancing Soviet power so no, it won't take 50
           years.
           \_ True. The US will probably stop helping them out in a few years
              or until the spice flows again. The spice must flow!
              \_ Arrakis --> iraq
                 Shaddam IV --> Saddam
                 Feydaykin --> Feydayin
                 CHOAM --> OPEC
                 spice --> oil
                 \_ that's idiotic.  put down the lame scifi and read some
                    history.
                 \_ boy that's clever.
                    \_ Ah, the geek, and geekier-than-thou.
                       \_ dammit, there must be some reason i read all six of
                          those books half a dozen times.  just let me have
                          my moment.
                          \_ What about the 4 new ones?
2003/3/25-26 [Computer/HW/Memory] UID:27837 Activity:high
3/24    Will an Ultra2's processors and ram work in an Ultra 60?
        \_ any of the ultrasparc II cpu's from an ultra2 should work
           fine in an ultra60. all the memory should be fine as well.
        \_ Depends on the Ultra60, I think. Ultra60 is not descriptive
           enough. U60 spanned a long period of time with a lot of
           changes. Better question is: WHY?! Trying to scavenge parts? --dim
           \_ I managed to pick up an U60 chassis (no proc/ram) for
              free and I've got some bits from an U2 (proc/ram) along
              with some PCI hme cards. If the U2 bits work in the U60
              I was planning on install OpenBSD on it and using it as
              I was planning on install OpenBSD on it and use it as
              my server/router/firewall.
              \_ you're sick.  stop that immediately.
        \_ The memory should be compatible. I am not so sure about CPUs.
           What kind of CPUs does your Ultra 2 have? The 300MHz CPU used in
           both machines has the same part#, so it should be compatible.
           I am not so sure about the 400MHz CPUs that some Ultra 2s used.
           The UltraSPARC I CPUs (200MHz or slower) that used to come with
           older Ultra2s are definitely not compatible with Ultra 60.
        \_ Only the 300MHz are compatible btw the two. All others are
           NOT: 400,200,167MHz work for U2; 360,450 work for U60
           This is from the Sun FE Handbook which is online as the
           Sun System Handbook linked from http://sunsolve.sun.com
           Sun is frigging badass when it comes to this shit.
           \_ True, but up until a year ago, the FE Handbook costed ~$1000.
           http://sunsolve.Sun.COM/handbook_pub/Systems/U2/components.html
           http://sunsolve.Sun.COM/handbook_pub/Systems/U60/components.html
           \_ Thanks.
2003/3/25 [Uncategorized] UID:27838 Activity:nil
3/25    http://www.lucianne.com/routine/images/03-25-03.jpg showing a huge mob
        of people in the streets.  This stuff is important!  BTW, we'll be
        blocking traffic again on Wednesday in the city to send a message and
        stop the war machine.  Be there or be a baby killer!
2003/3/25 [Uncategorized] UID:27839 Activity:nil
3/25    <Censored for the public good>
        \_ and restored because censorship is never for the public good.
2003/3/25-26 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:27840 Activity:insanely high
3/25    Civilian deaths from U.S. airstrikes fuel rising anger in Iraq
        - http://latimes.com, you probably need to register, but take a look at
        the photo gallery link on the right.
        http://csua.org/u/b8b#latimes
        \_ oh the horror! plez! people have no stomache these days. get real
           this is war - GW1 was a fluke - most wars thousands of peep die.
           \_ an excellent reason to avoid wars, you're right.
              \_ A stitch in time saves nine.
              \_ Let's be consistent and disband the police department.
                 \_ huh?
        \_ LAtimes is username:password
           \_ csuamotd:csuamotd
              \_ What other csuamotd accounts are there?
                 \_ huh?  why do you need more than 1?
2003/3/25-26 [Uncategorized] UID:27841 Activity:kinda low
3/25    URL Redirection guy: Here's a feature suggestion:
        The ability to add a -whateveriwant to the end of a URL. e.g.
        http://csua.org/u/b84-yahooaljaz
        \_ And can you make it the last 20 items submitted?
           \_ http://csua.org/u/?n=20   --dbushong
        \_ why not use http://csua.org/u/b84#yahooaljaz ?
           \_ genius!
2003/3/25-26 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:27842 Activity:high
3/25    Want to learn the truth, the *real* truth about what's going on in
        the war, Greater Palestine, and the Muslim world in general?
        http://www.arabnews.com and link:english.aljazeera.net
        They're a bit slow but that's only because so many people have found
        an alternative to the lies you're being fed.
        \_ You know, I was always taught to suspect anyone claming to peddle
           "the *real* truth" about anything.  -John
           \_ You know that this is actually posted by an anti-arab trying
              to show how stupid arabs can be.
                \_ Hm I thought it was being posted by someone trying to
                   show how stupid arabnews and al jazeera are.  -John
                   \_ I posted this comment before and it was instantly
                      deleted.  "Al Jazeera" is Arabic for "Fox News."
                      \_ Because your comment was opinated drivel and based on
                         nothing.  If you backed it up with some facts you
        \_ What's the need?  The Muslim world has been at a standstill
           for 700 years.  Nothing has changed.  Pedophile camel jockeys
           on flying carpets.  It's obvious the world would be better off had
           the Muslim never existed.
        \_ Whas da need?  Da Muslim wold has been at a standstill
           fo seven hunned years, sheeit.  Nuffin' has changed.
           Pedophile camel jockeys on dem flying doodads.  Fosheezy,
           da world would be better off had the Muslim never been up
           in the club, damn straight.
           \_ Spoken like a true Papist.
                \_ Then prove me wrong with some facts, pagan.
                         would stay on the motd longer.
                \_ It is what it is.  Read the URLs and come to your own
                   conclusions.  It doesn't matter what the OP intended.
                \_ [racist content free troll deleted]
                   Look if you cannot figure out a way to make your
                   point without using racial epithets, you are going
                   to keep getting it deleted.
                        \_ You don't seem to be in such a hurry to delete
                           anti-semitic rhetoric.
                           \_ I'm the one who deleted the racist troll.  I'm
                              pro-Israeli and a Jew.  I deleted it because it
                              was a racist troll and added nothing to this
                              thread.
                           \_ Post all the rhetoric you want, just avoid
                              the camelf*cker routine, all right?
                           \_ This isn't much of an excuse, but whoever
                              that anti-semitic asshole is has only done
                              the "blame the jews for everything" routine,
                              while the anti-moslem asshole is openly
                              advocating their extermination.  I delete
                              both when I see them, but more promptly if it's
                              hateful, rather than just stupid.
        \_ Don't know about http://arabnew.com, but Al Jazeera is considered quite
           independent from the Arab governments.
           \_ Ah, the passive voice.  "is considered".  By whom exactly is it
              considered anything?  I consider Al Jazeera garbage 'news' and
              propaganda.  Next time why don't you say "... but Al Jazaeera is
              considered garbage 'news' and propaganda" in the future instead?
2003/3/25-26 [Recreation/Humor, Consumer/TV] UID:27843 Activity:high
3/25    Hey, since they killed some Americans and show it on TV aren't we
        supposed to be pulling out now like in Somalia?
        \_ There's no rapist in teh white house, a DUI, yes.
        \_ This isn't funny.
           \_ Was it supposed to be funny?
        \_ Not yet. Somalians are Africans. Iraqis are not. Plus there has
              \_ obwittyrepartee
        \_ Not yet. Somalians are Africans without oil. Plus there has
              Not a back exchange.
           been no dragging and desecration of the bodies yet.
           \_ It's ok, US killed 1000 Somalians during the firefight.
              Not a bad exchange.
              \_ It's not an exchange.  It's a loss.
              \_ 1 American life is worth more than any number of Somali lives.
                 The problem with the Somalia fiasco is we turned tail and ran
                 instead of going in there with heavy tanks and killing every
                 last one of those fuckers so once again Carter-style the US
                 looks like a paper tiger and invites every two bit asshole
                 with a few bucks, a grudge, and a gun to kill more Americans.
2003/3/25-26 [Science/Disaster] UID:27844 Activity:high
3/25    USAF F-16 heroically avenges RAF Tornado
        http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70146-1085069,00.html
        \_ The Tornado sucks anyways.
        \_ It only killed the radar dish.  I expect one-shot-one-kill from
           our top pilots.  Send that guy back to target training.
2003/3/25-26 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:27845 Activity:high
3/25    Now that european countries are boycotting American products, when
        are we going to start bombing them to protect our corporate profits??
        \_ I don't think this war is primarily about oil,
           but it certainly doesn't hurt.
        \_ This war in Iraq is not primarily about corporate profits or oil.
           \_ yeah, keep telling yourself that.  and why are france and russia
              so against the war?  billions of trade and loans.  we're all
              bastards on this bus.
              \_ I thought it was more about no preemptive wars when
                 inspections were keeping Saddam boxed in, and if he kicks
                 them out, then the U.S. could pass a resolution for force.
                 \_ If you thought that, you're a moron.  Inspections did
                    little until Bush raised the gun to Saddam's head.
                 \_ And I bet you still believe in Santa Claus too.
                    \_ I don't see what's wrong with saying "inspections were
                       keeping Saddam boxed in", "no preemptive wars", and
                       "if he kicks them out ... pass a resolution for force".
                       \_ What inspectors?  The ones there from 1998 to last
                          October?
                          \_ The ones headed by Mr. Blix
        \_ As if Europe mattered , they can't even agree on a common language
           \_ sure they can; it's english.
              \_ You might want to check with the French about that.
                 \_ I work with several French scientists, all educated
                    at french schools through the phd level, and they
                    have always, even in france, written all their papers
                    and even their phd theses in english.  scientists
                    are perhaps more willing than most to adopt international
                    standards, but *all* european scientists with any
                    ineternational influence speak english.
                    \_ 1) "Several French scientists" is representative of,
                       well, several French scientists.  2) That they can
                       speak English does not necessarily imply that they
                       are willing to accept English as the de jure European
                       common language.
                       \_ 1) I know what I'm talking about, and 2) you don't.
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