Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2003:March:22 Saturday <Friday, Sunday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2003/3/22 [Uncategorized] UID:27798 Activity:moderate
3/21    [A liberal censored your msg / cleaned it off.]
        \_ Take that libruls!
           \_ What's the point?
2003/3/22 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:27799 Activity:high
3/21    So I figure you lefties got tired of being smushed and seeing the facts
        showing you were wrong about the whole Iraq thing thus far.  Feel
        free to censor at will.  You have my permission.  ;-)
        [censor does not mean 'edit'.  add your own comments.  don't be
        \_ Where are the oilfield fires Rumsfield claimed? What about those
           gas and nerve agents? Is anything Bush claimed going to end up
           as true? You are the one that should be embarrassed for yourself.
2003/3/22 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:27800 Activity:nil
3/21    Regarding Saddam's TV appearances of late, a rhetorical question:
        why would Saddam bother looking like Saddam?  If I were in his place
        I'd use the same body double for every public appearance and have
        surgery to look like just another Tom, Dick, or Abdul.
        \_ Then the body double would have you executed and just be you maybe?
        \_ Presense. Looking like someone doesn't give that person the same
           sort of charisma. And it feeds into the dictator ego.
2003/3/22-23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Computer/SW/Editors/Vi] UID:27801 Activity:insanely high
3/21    Seriously guys, can you please start using motdedit?  It's pretty
        rude not to.
                \_ The motd is a commons, while most people respect the
                   rights of others to use a commons some people do not.
                   And those few spoil the commons for everyone. Its a
                   tragedy that we must all live with.
        \_ Uhm, no.  Let's get this straight -- clobbering content is rude.
           Using motdedit is just ONE way to avoid doing that.  Equating
           motdedit with common courtesy is just stupid.         -mice
        \_ Apologies to the authors, but fuck motdedit in the ear.
           \_ because?
              \_ Because it's a solution to a problem I don't have, and
           \_ Why should I show any respect for you since you obviously
              don't care about anyone but yourself?
                 because I'm irritated by the holier than thou preachy
                 assholes that insist I'm rude/stupid/selfish if I don't use
                 it.  I don't overwrite other people's entries, and I can't
                 seem to recall getting mine overwritten either.  I use vi.
                 \_ Um.. case in point.  My reply to your eloquently stated
                    "fuck motdedit..." was overwritten. --scotsman
                    \_ Uhm, yeah and...?  You say this as though it's my
                       fault.  I find it highly unlikely that I was
                       responsible as you seem to be implying.  cf "vi",
                       "respecting locks", etc
                       \_ society's to blame.  But your insecurities are in
        \_ you rude shit.  you motdedited out stuff that's been sitting here
           for 20 minutes.  using motdedit doesn't excuse smashing other's
        \_ path?
           \_ /csua/bin/me
                          the way of getting the point.
                          \_ So, lacking anything relevant to say, you trot
                             out personal insults.  Uhm, yeah, whatever.
                             \_ this is someone else talking, but vi guy:
                                have you tried "me"?  It's the same as
                                motdedit, requires less typing than
                                "vi /etc/motd.public" and uses an editor
                                agnostic locking scheme.  I don't know about
                                preachiness, but it seems like a simple
                                compromise.  Is there anything that vi offers
                                that "me" doesn't?
           \_ Dude, motdedit is a technical solution to a difficult usage
              problem.  If you don't like someone overwriting your entries,
              you should start using it.  I would bet that most of the
              overwritten entries are caused when someone using emacs or
              jove makes an entry while someone is using motdedit.  The
              person not using motdedit loses out.  Use it or don't, but
              quit the complaining. --scotsman
              \_ I use motdedit w/ vi and my entries are routinely
              \_ I don't use it.  I also don't over write other's entries and
                 don't complain when other's over write mine.
                 And btw, what do you have against vi users?  Can't they get
                 their edits smushed too?  Or pine?  Don't pine users count?
                 How to edit motd in pine??
                 \_ If you have to ask, you don't know.  The problem is that
                    editors such as emacs and pico don't tell you that there's
                    a lock on the file (at least by default), so you very
                    well could be overwriting someone else's entry without
                    knowing it.  And I use vi myself, so I have no idea what
                    you're talking about.  If you use vi, it respects those
                    locks anyway, so motdedit becomes a convenience in terms
                    of getting your own lock.  motdedit isn't a replacement
                    for common courtesy.  Using it, however, _is_ common
                    courtesy. --scotsman
                    \_ I don't know about pico, but emacs always warns me
                       that I'm about to change a file that has changed on
                       disk. When it does that, I copy my changes to
                       *scratch* and merge them back.
                       \_ Not the issue. --scotsman
                 \_ huh?  you can use whatever editor you want.  just set
                    \_ And ED! What about the ED! users?
        \_ Stick you head in a pig.
        \_ how about root just makes /etc/motd.public writeable by motdedit
2003/3/22 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:27802 Activity:nil
        "Jacques Chirac says France will not authorize a U.N. resolution
        allowing the United States and Britain to administer postwar Iraq."
        \_ France also threatned to veto a resolution that authorized the use
           of force against Iraq.
        \_ "Authorize" a UN resolution?  How arrogant.
           \_ The U.S. has to come back showing respect to the UN after
              having defied it.
              \_ Too late. Another international institution ruined by Bush.
        \_ Let's return the Statue of Liberty. She's an ugly biotch anyways.
2003/3/22-23 [Politics/Domestic] UID:27803 Activity:very high
3/22    I've decided to boycott American products as a protest against the war.
        \_ If you are serious about this how about suicide?
           \_ Immolating yourself in public is said to make quite an
              \_ not since they started using flame-retardent asphalt.
        \_ Don't forget to turn in your citizenship!
        \_ I'm a little on the spineless side and just decided to stop
           \_ you are also on the stupid side if you're trying to prevent
              shit like this to happen by not voicing your opinion
        \_ Move to Iraq and volunteer in Saddam's army.
        \_ Definitely renounce your citizenship and go somewhere else.  You
           won't be able to boycott American products living here.  It just
           isn't possible.  I'm with you brother!
        \_ I think boycotting American products is the best means for me
           to protest against the war.  Will I boycott every single
           American product.  Nah, but enough to make a difference.  I
           think people all over the world should do the same, and I think
           many are.  It won't make a big impression, it's only minorly
           inconvenient, but it hits where it hurts.
        \_ There're American products again?  Did I miss something?  When
           did that happen?  I thought everything was made in China these
           \_ Jokes, aside, yes.  eg. United Airlines, GE, Coca Cola, etc.
              and many many others.
2003/3/22 [Science/Space, Recreation/Food, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:27804 Activity:high
3/21    Let's say we dig through the rubble and find Saddam's body. How can
        we tell it's him and not one of his dozen body doubles? It's not like
        we have his DNA.
        \_ meanwhile the real saddam is doing what? shaves off his moustache
           and goes to work as a waiter in a paris bistro ... who spits in the
           food of americans? if he has no public face or power, in a sense
           it is still mission accomplished. --psb
                \_ it'd still be fairly easy to recognize him then, too.
        \_ We get Mossad on his ass. hunt him to the end of the earth.
        \_ Except that we DO have his DNA.
           \_ From where?
              \_ From examining his relatives
2003/3/22-23 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:27805 Activity:very high
3/22    American kid/human shield 'shocked back to reality'.

        A group of American anti-war demonstrators who came to Iraq with
        Japanese human shield volunteers made it across the border today with
        14 hours of uncensored video, all shot without Iraqi government
        minders present. Kenneth Joseph, a young American pastor with the
        Assyrian Church of the East, told UPI the trip "had shocked me back to
        reality." Some of the Iraqis he interviewed on camera "told me they
        would commit suicide if American bombing didn't start. They were
        willing to see their homes demolished to gain their freedom from
        Saddam's bloody tyranny. They convinced me that Saddam was a monster
        the likes of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler. He
        and his sons are sick sadists. Their tales of slow torture and killing
        made me ill, such as people put in a huge shredder for plastic
        products, feet first so they could hear their screams as bodies got
        chewed up from foot to head."

        A few of you might also like to check out the history of the Baathists
        in Iraq.  They're not just "Nazi-like" but are actually Arab Nazis.
        The truth is out there for those who are interested in knowing it.
        \_ I've posted this before, only to be deleted.  People didn't seem to
           like the source.
                 "It is  Michel Aflaq who created the party and not I,"
                 Saddam told an interviewer in 1980.
        \_ Saddam was a bloody tyrant right from the start, yet we supported
           him all those years, giving him weapons and technical help when
           he used his nerve gas against Kurds and Iranians.
           him all those years, giving him weapons and technical help while he
           was using nerve gas against Kurds and Iranians.  Note that Iran-
           Iraq War was started by Saddam when he invaded Iran.
           \_ Just because we've done evil in the past doesn't mean we're not
              allowed to correct it later.  If the standard for who is allowed
              to fight evil is only people who have never done anything evil
              then no one would be left to do so.
              \_ Except that it calls into question as to whether our
                 stated reason for the war is the real reason for it.
        \_ Why is this any more believable than the stories about babies
           being pulled from incubators in the last war? Don't be so quick
           to swallow the propaganda.
           \_ ie, believe the news stories that support your stance on war.
           \_ babies?  incubators?  What are you talking about?  Ok, ok, you're
              right.  Anything that supports a point of view different from
              yours must be lies.  Afterall the UPI has such a long history of
              supporting right wing conservative christian anti-arab, pro-
              israel, anti-minority racist lies.  Did I miss anything in my
              list?  Do we still hate rich white people too?  Why don't you
              just post a list of the things we're allowed to believe and the
              ultra left wing 'media' resources you use to 'learn' of those
              \_ Your historical memory is weak, child. Bush I sold the
                 war against Iraq with such a story:
        \_ Why do you think his arab neighbors aren't jumping to support him?
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