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| 2003/3/17 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:27718 Activity:nil |
3/16 When people say "format your drive, install Linux", do they mean
RedHat Linux, Debian, or something else? When people say "Ride Bike"
do they mean ride motorcycle or ride bicycle? -motd wisdom seeker
\_ the "learn something" is implicit.
\_ Debian
\_ ...and bicycle, respectively. |
| 2003/3/17 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:27719 Activity:high |
3/16 the History Channel special about Saddam's French nuclear reactor
getting distroyed by the Israeli air force is on tonight at 7pm.
\_ ohh give me a break, *WE* provided Iraq with the atomic
bomb's know-how right after War War 2.
\_ "after WW2". Uhm, yeah. whatever.
\_ And the USS Stark hit with two (French) exocet missiles launched
\_ You mean the reactor provided by Chirac.
\_ No, Miterrand. This was the reactor in Osirak which they
were about a week away from taking into operation. -John
\_ Yes. Curiously, the only person killed in the attack was
a french scientist that was working late that sunday evening.
\_ Huh. I wasn't aware France *had* scientists.
\_ Are you really this ignorant, or are you just jumping on
the France-bashing bandwagon?
\_ let me guess.. when someone says "it's raining cats
and dogs", you're outside looking for falling animals.
\_ They do but they're on strike all the time in support of
the Parisian trash haulers and long haul truckers.
\_ And the USS Stark hit with two (French) Exocet missiles launched
from a (French) Mirage fighter.
\_ Did you know that the reacter was named the Ochirac Reactor?
\_ Did you know you need to re-read your source?
\_ It was a joke. I know it was named oshirak. |
| 2003/3/17 [Transportation/Bicycle, Transportation/Motorcycle] UID:27720 Activity:nil |
3/16 Is stuff cooked over an open flame - i.e. skewers/kebobs really more
healthy than fried or other regular foods?
\_ less fat thatn frying (it all drips away) OTOH, the yummy
chemicals created by searing the fat on the food is mildly
carcinogenic. Its a trade-off
\_ ride bike!
\_ ride motorcycle or bicycle? |
| 2003/3/17 [Computer/Companies/Google, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:27721 Activity:high |
3/16 Is there a reason why:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=countersteer+vs+leaning
comes up with motd as the FIRST LINK???
\_ Maybe because the search terms are unusual and don't often appear
together? You know, sort of artifically inflating the relevance?
\_ http://www.ntk.net search for 'puerile googlisms'. Google comes
up with strange shit sometimes. Plus, we should all know by now
that the MOTD is the ultimate authoritative source of Truth. -John
\_ amen, father
\_ it's aaron's new Infinite Loop RTFM project; you ask on the MOTD
and you get directed to Google, you ask on Google and get directed
to the MOTD. Brilliant! -tom
\_ How to countersteer vs lean on ride biking? |
| 2003/3/17 [Computer/SW/Mail, Recreation/Woodworking] UID:27722 Activity:moderate |
3/16 Pine trees may help create smog, acid rain
Death to trees!
http://abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s804613.htm
\_ ObDon'tUsePine
\_ ObUseMutt |
| 2003/3/17 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:27723 Activity:very high |
3/17 http://csua.org/u/adf Israeli Army Bulldozer Kills American Protester in Gaza. Now, you can call me a bastard, but when one lies down in front of a tank/bulldozer/truck, etc., one must understand that the risk is that the driver will just take a hit off the sterno, make another mark in the dash, and hit the gas. Though I feel bad for the woman, another part of me can't help but feel warm and fuzzy at seeing self-righteous protestors with stupid tactics getting what's coming to them. My favorite quote: The Israeli troops "have shot over our heads, and shot near our feet --they have fired tear gas at us," said Michael Shaik, media coordinator for the group. "But we thought we had an understanding. We didn't think they would kill us." \_ My favorite was them going on and on in the newspaper about how they were *certain* the bulldozer would stop. It just *had* to, right? \_ It's just the way of that sort of people. The meaning "compassion" means nothing to them. Sharon the Butcher encourages this with his rhetoric, and the pro zionists here love it so that they can increase their wealth with war profiteering. \_ Bullshit. It's all about killing American students. Jews reall hate American students (and a woman!) so they killed her! \_ The article also mentions a 13 year old boy and an unarmed man who were killed. Were they being self-righteous for being in the "combat zone?" A "combat zone" that happens to be where they live? Maybe you should do a little thought experiment where you imagine your response to some soldiers showing up to your neighborhood who then decide to knock down your house without warning. Then perhaps they shoot at you, kill a few neighbors, maybe your wife or child. If you can't symphathize with that then you're worse than a bastard. Maybe that self-righteous American just couldn't stand by and watch it all go down on CNN anymore. At least she tried to change something, what have you done? \_ Ever wonder how their front yard got to be a combat zone? And what have YOU done? Posted to the motd about it? I've come \_ how about running away? or joining a suicide bombing squad? to the realization that giving "A's for effort" reinforces some pretty awful behavior, for instance, suicide bombing. At least they tried, indeed. And in your thought experiment, I pick up a gun and shoot back. I sure as hell don't count on anyone to to take pity on me and bail me out. If it happens, I'd be grateful, but I don't count on it. -op \_ how about running away? or joining a suicide bombing squad? \_ every time they "shoot back" the israeli army fires a tank missile or knocks someone ELSE's house down, and then the cycle begins all over again, i am so glad i don't live there. \_ You mean every time the palestinian children throw a stone, Sharon's Butcher SS shoots US missles at their village? Yeah. Well you can thank the pro-zion influence in congress for that. Might I add, that missile was from YOUR and MY taxdollars. \_ Stones for the cameras, rockets at night when naive kids like you aren't watching TV and the reporters are out getting laid. \_ I always find it odd how the Palestinians don't go and throw rocks at the Jordanians, Lebanese, Syrians or Egyptians, all of which at some point perpetrated fairly egregious acts against the Palestinians. Not to excuse what the Israelis (and their settlers) do, but one does get the impression that a bit of anti-semitism (let's be honest, a lot of the 'let's-drive-the-fucking- Jew-bastards-into-the-sea' rhetoric thrown around by various Arab groups doesn't get very conscientiously reported by Western media) is a lot easier than any sort of even-handed assessment of who's to blame for one's predicament. And frankly, although they're reacting in a brutish, uncivilized manner, this time it wasn't the Israelis who started provoking everyone in sight by completely disregarding an agreed-upon peace agreement. -John \_ Gandhi did little for India other than ruin it and condemn it to fifty plus years of poverty and financial ruin and communal violence. Instead of going around fasting and talking non-sense he should have supported Bose and the others who wanted to liberate India in the same way that the founding fathers liberated America from the British. \_ John, you're right that the other Arab states have done (and continue to do) their fair share of Palestinian oppression. It's just that the Israelis are a much more present target (i.e., in Palestine) and the other Arab nations are much more vicious in suppressing protest in their own countries (i.e., they'll deport agitators to Palestine so quick it'll make your head spin). If the other Arab states wanted to do something about the Palestinian issue, they could offer to make a homeland within their own territory... but that's not a popular idea. --erikred \_ Or like Jordan they can surrender a huge chunk of land, cut it off and say it isn't their problem anymore. I think Israel should do the same. \_ Or they can just kill themselves with fear... http://csua.org/u/ae9 \_ 40% of the Palestinians already live in Jordan. And creating a "homeland" for Palestinians outside of Palestine would simply legitimize Isreal's ethnic cleansing. \_ Sure, and creating a Palestinian state in Palestine will legitimize suicide bombings. Look, we can argue the semantics all day, but if you're looking for practical solutions, carving a homeland out of Jordan is not an unreasonable solution. --erikred \_ It's very unreasonable to the Jordanians. \_ It is unreasonable to everyone but Isreal. \_ Wow, that's pretty damned clueless. \_ You don't know what ethnic cleansing means. If you take the meanest word in your vocabulary, (racism, murder, nazi, rapist, etc) and apply it universally the word loses meaning. \_ What do *you* call it then? Sharon calls it "involuntary population transfer." \_ When exactly has Sharon tried pushing Arabs out of the WB or Gaza? When has Sharon done such a thing? You can't name the year because it has never happened. *I* call it, "you're a lying POS racist". \_ I notice you don't answer the question. Sharon has forcably moved thousands to build settlements and plans to move thousands more when the fence is built. And where did all the land in 1948 come from? Go ahead and delete this, your kind cannot stand the light of the truth. \_ it's called tit for tat \_ Bingo. Which would suggest that someone is employing the wrong tactics. I should note that Ghandi managed to free all of India through a campaign of hunger strikes and non-violent struggle. Though as a \- well that is a little simple. --psb counter-point, similar campaigns have done precious little to free Tibet from China's oppressive rule. -op \- and the chinese didnt run over the stand in front of a tank fellow at tianamen sq. states should be held to a higher standard. --psb \_ "fellow"? You know why you don't know his name? Because they grabbed him and executed him in some dark alley. His name will never be known. \_ Google for this, you will find an article which mentions him being at large. \_ lying down in front of a bulldozer isn't perpetuating a cycle of violence, unless you only count violence by Isreal. -tom \_ Actually she didn't lie down. She tripped and fell and then got run over. It was nothing so noble, just simple clumsiness. \_ will the non-pedophiles please think of the children?? \_ Not according to all the news reports. What is your source? \_ I don't think the Israelis will "cave in" to Palestinian demands if the Palestinians all simultaneously bombard Israel with a huge campaign of pacifism and non violence. but their current strategy isn't working too well either, i guess they're screwed. \_ Demands? Which ones? The ones where the Israelis all go jump in the sea? \_ US seems to be the opposite extreme of this. If in the US, some bulldozing company were to accidentally bulldoze over an "innocent" deer or dog, there would be protests all over and it would become a front page human interest story... both the US extreme and Israeli extreme seem fucked up to me. ~apolitical. \_ if there were weekly suicide bombings, your thinking might be different \_ ruby ridge. waco. it's ok to whack fringe right-wing types. \_ No, wackos with guns. You're forgetting the 60's and 70's when the FBI took out left-wing fringe groups. \_ No one at Waco had guns. Except the ATF. \_ LOL! Ah, that's why agents died storming them. It was the cows who shot them... \_ hey, that dead chick is pretty cute! \_ was. but that's ok. stupid chicks are all over campus. you'll find another one. \_ >z Time passes... The bulldozer thunders toward you. The ground is shaking beneath you as you lie in the mud. \_ You are likely to be eaten by a grue. \_ > enjoy mud |
| 2003/3/17-18 [Health] UID:27724 Activity:very high |
3/17 Anybody ever applied for a government security clearance? Is it ok to
admit to experimenting with Berkeley's favorite mellow pasttime?
\_ I think it's fine to admit to experimenting with math. in fact
for an NSA job, it will probably help.
\_ I have a security clearance, but I really haven't ever used any
illegal substances. I tend to think that any lawbreaking could
lead to you not getting a clearance though.
\_ or in dubya's case, it could lead to the White House
\_ Which level? I knew a guy who filled out two pages of incidents
over the last seven years and still got in. Of course that was
pre-HerrHomeland...
\_ secret.
\_ Admit it. They're going to do interviews. If it's social and
not an addiction, you might be okay. For the FBI, SS, some
military, and NSA, you're probably gonna get rejected.
\_ Both FBI and SS have strict policies about using -- it's
not an immediate disqualification unless you are a
habitual user or have used within the last year (or
three). Of course, cocaine, heroin, etc are substances
that will guarantee you an immediate disqualification.
\_ OK to admit having done it. Not ok to do it once you are
applying for, or already have the clearance.
\_ Yes. I'm told that I can be randomly drug-tested. I have
no fear of this, though.
\_ They're more interested in a clean drug test than your
your way-back past. Remember that the drug tests can
reach back a year or so, though.
\_ Why would you admit it if there's no evidence you'd done it?
\_ Because in most cases, as long as you've demonstrated you've
stopped, the government can be okay with it. If you've lied and
they find out, it's a federal offense and they will get blood
from a stone.
\_ My $0.02 is that you should tell the truth. They can't really
fault you for youthful indiscretions (hey, Clinton inhaled), and
you will score more points for being truthful. One's past has a
way of catching up to you. Of course, this is all in your past,
right? ;-)
\_ Well, yes, but not the distant past (2002) -- op
\_ MJ flushes out in 30 days. If it's a piss test you're okay.
Part of what they are looking for is addicts. If it's a hair
or fat test, that's gonna show. Figure for classified and
below you're gonna be okay (no interviews). Secret and higher
means you're risking it. YMMV.
\_ The FBI and CIA claim they can detect use from up to
a year. Get detox tea from a health store, and that
should help.
\_ lol hahahahhahah
\_ For a piss test, yes, but they can take hair samples
for > 30 days.
\_ Yeah, I should have noted that was piss test only.
\_ The fact you went to Berkeley already makes you suspicious.
Damn commie.
\_ Apparently that's nonsense, though I'd have thought you were
right. My clearance went through in 4 months, absolutely
record time. I'm pretty much a straight arrow though.
\- a distant associate of mine was interviewing for MI5 and
the basically said 1. we know about the cocaine 2. if you are
homosexual that is ok too, but we want you to tell us. i have
been listed as a reference by people looking for security
clearances and the sense i got was their concern was about
people with drug problems, not past social users ... same
applies for alcohol. --psb
\_ MI5 isn't the US who are VERY touchy on homosexuality and
even casual drug use for internal and external security forces.
\- well part of the point was it's just kind of funny when
they say all of a sudden "we know about the cocaine".
i think the concern is also in part are you in the closet
and subject to blackmail. --psb
\_ The British understand that, but the US gets very
puritan at times. Then they go with the winner of the
"Que es mas macho" competition.
\_ "Cual es"?
\_ "Siempre tu mama, por supuesto"
\_ yo quiero chingar tu culo, pendejo. Y tu
mama tambien.
\_ "¿Con los huevos minusculos?" |
| 2003/3/17 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:27725 Activity:nil |
3/17 'For whose benefit these endless wars in a region that holds
nothing vital to America save oil, which the Arabs must sell
us to survive? Who would benefit from a war of civilizations
between the West and Islam? Answer: one nation, one leader,
one party. Israel, Sharon, Likud.' -Pat Buchanan
\_ Someone besides me quotes Pat? Cool!!! -ax
\_ No, lots of isolationists and racists quote Pat. GO PAT! GO! |
| 2003/3/17-18 [Computer/HW/Display] UID:27726 Activity:moderate |
3/17 Any recomendations on a DVI video card that doesn't need a fan?
Any experience with a Compaq TFT 8000 or 8020 monitors?
\_ Water-cooled GeForce 4 4600 Ti
\_ But then the pump/compressor make noise. Better off with a 4200. |
| 2003/3/17 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:27727 Activity:nil 50%like:27711 |
3/17 Vive La France!
<DEAD>216.239.39.120/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://fr.news.yahoo.com/030312/5/33csk.html<DEAD> |
| 2003/3/17-18 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:27728 Activity:moderate |
3/17 How do I use spamassassin? Do I run /usr/local/bin/spamassassin in
the background and leave it running all the time, so that spam won't
even be added to /var/mail/<login>? Or do I run it once everytime
before I run my mail program, so that all spam in /var/mail/<login>
will be removed? The man page doesn't seem to describe this. Thanks.
\_ There is plenty of help available for this. The documentation
for spamassassin answers this in a few places. Try harder.
\_ Create a file ~/.procmailrc and put the following in there:
:0fw
| /usr/local/bin/spamc
:0 hw:
* ^X-Spam-Status: Yes
spamassassin
/dev/null
\_ see, you told him. now he'll never learn how not to be clueless.
\_ ya but if he stays clueless, he'll lose some email bc
it is going to devnull.
\_ yeah, well, doesn't help if you keep changing [filename]
to /dev/null |
| 2003/3/17 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Skin] UID:27729 Activity:nil |
3/17 An update on my skin. :-) Besides using my wife's skin care products,
eating well and excercise has really helped also. I have this healthy
pinkish glow to my cheeks and my lips are getting redder. My skin
SHINES! Women at work at noticing me and striking up conversations
with me. Even the gay men are checking me out. It's quite flattering.
My wife thinks I'm the ultimate pretty boy now. -guy with good skin
\_ how's the sex with UCLA EE guy?
\_ how's the sex with your gay coworkers? Made any money in
the Castro? Enough to quit your day job and pay for AIDS drugs? |
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