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2003/2/28 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:27559 Activity:high
2/27    Editorial defending Washinton Post's pro-war stance:
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8531-2003Feb26.html
        \_ The huge problem with this editorial is "[Saddam] unquestionably
           possessing and pursuing biological and chemical weapons".  It's
           still a question.  If a group of smart people can't get this
           right, what can you say?
           \_ What smart people?  The French?  Or the Germans who sold them
              all of it between '91 and now?
              \_ The Washington Post editorial staff, of course.
                 If you can do a good job convincing people of your assertions
                 please contact Colin Powell.
           \_ hmm... theory of evolution...
2003/2/28 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:27560 Activity:nil
2/27    Li Ka-Shing Seeks U.S. Contract
        http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/8/5/181935.shtml
        MEET LI KA-SHING CHINESE BILLIONAIRE
        http://www.softwar.net/kashing.html
2003/2/28-3/1 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:27561 Activity:kinda low
2/27    Dood! That sample procmailrc strips the body! Don't you read all your
        spam to see if it's really spam? :0 h means only deliver the header.
        \_ So, what happens if I remove that 'h'. Will the whole message
           be delievered by default? I have a 'w' next to that 'h', what
           does that mean?
           \_ I have just :0 w:  ...works for me.
        \_ it's recommended to keep a backup if you're going to do any
           procmail filtering. also, look at ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs.
           put this at the top or your .procmailrc to do backups of mail.
           :0 c
           backup
           \_ Does this mean there's a non-trivial chance that
              procmail filtering hoses your Inbox on occassion?
                \_ no, so you can test out your new elite filtering
                   rules and avoid hosing yourself in case you get
                   the procmail syntax wrong.  trust in procmail
                   and get on with your life.
          \_ Oh shit thanks for reminding me that I've got a few gigs of
             mail in my backup dir.  Forgot I even had one!
2003/2/28 [Computer/SW/P2P] UID:27562 Activity:very high
2/27    Anyone found a non-preorder copy of moo3 in a store anywhere in
        the SF BA?  If so, please post what store and location.  Thanks!
        \_ frys (in palo alto dunno about elsewhere)
        \_ ObKazaa
            \_ what is that "Ob" means when people say "ObKazaa" or
                "ObGoogle?"
                \_ Obligatory.  As in "Obligatory STFW response" or
                   "Obligatory suggestion to try Kazaa, dumabass" (the
                   'dumbass' is sort of implied)
           \_ No. Wrong.  I'm not a thief.  I want to *buy* the game as odd
           from http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent ... or mail me. -dwc
              as this may seem to those of you with no ethics. -OP
        \_ http://www.donkax.com/bittorrent/index.php?dir=Games get bittorrent
           from http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent ... or mail me.
           \_ signature purged for your safety.
           \_ Gamestop will have it.
2003/2/28-3/1 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:27563 Activity:very high
2/28    How come csua doesn't support imap, even when it's from csua itself?
        \_ imap is disabled, but imaps (imap + ssl) is enabled in
           /etc/inetd.conf.
           \_ the certificate is self-signed though.  wouldn't imap-over-ssh
              be more secure?
                \_ feel free to donate enough money for a verisign
                   cert.  imaps also works straight out of the box
                   with Outlook and doesn't require running a ssh tunnel
              \_ and you trust soda's SSH key why?
                 \_ I use the same key on all my production systems.
                    \_ And this helps why?  Your SSH fu is weak.  Train
                       harder.
                       \_ that way if I lose root i can login from anywhere
                          else just about because i use a passphraseless key.
                          soda's key is also on the auth'd list so its cool.
                          \_ that way if one of your machines is compromised
                             the '1337 h4x0r's have 0wn3d all your machines!
              \_ And self-signed certs are insecure why?  Your PKI fu is weak
                 train harder.
                 \_ do you memorize the signature on the certificate?  at
                    least with ssh, i need to verify the key only once.
                \_ A self signed cert presented by a server is equivalent to
                   yermom presenting a potential csua stud with a notarized
                   medical certifciate stating that the person presenting
                   this certificate is yermom and that she doesn't have any
                   up enough to go for it PKI fu boi!
                   the certificate is yermom and that she doesn't have any
                   stds where yermom was the both the obgyn who wrote up the
                   certificate and notary who signed it. Maybe you are hard
                   up enough that you'd go for it PKI fu boi...
                   \_ I only read email I have personally decrypted
                      with a PGP passphrase I store on a keychain attached
                      to my body at all times.  I am also very attractive.
2003/2/28-3/1 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:27564 Activity:nil
2/28    Unix Question:  What is wrong with the following line?
        find . -name "*.txt" -exec grep keyword {}\; -print
        It get stuck when I execute it.
        \_ seems to work for me.  Perhaps the disk is just churning the
           disk?
        \_ there is a syntax error, there should be space between {} and \;
2003/2/28-3/1 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:27565 Activity:kinda low
2/28    Is there a way to tell whether an XP already installed on a machine is
        the checked build or the release build?  I just installed XP from an
        MSDN CD labeled "Windows XP Professional Checked/Debug Build", but
        after that everything looks just the same as the regular XP.  I was
        expecting some version string somewhere will mention "Checked Build".
        Thanks.  --- yuen
        \_ Run "ver" at the command line.  Do you get:
           Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
           \_ Yes.  Both my release build machine and my supposedly checked
              build machine display this same string.  What should it say if
              it's a checked build?  --- yuen
           \_ try "winver" at the command line.
              \_ Yes!  It does show "(Debug)" at the end.  Thanks!  -- yuen
2003/2/28-3/1 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:27566 Activity:moderate
2/28    link:forbes.com/forbes/2003/0317/134.html on the richest but least
        deserving people on the planet.  A few of your heros are on list this.
        \_ Saddam Hussein is worth at least $2B?  Wow!
        \_ I wonder why the great hero of the people's collective movement
           has $110 million. Could it be that he is a *gasp* evil oppressor
           capitalist swine pig-dog at heart who hasn't tried pure berkeley
           sytle communism?!?
           \_ are you for real?  actually wait you are all the same guy, why
              do i even bother.
              \_ yeah there's only 1 conservative on the entire motd for all
                 these years.  I'm sure thinking that makes you feel better
                 about being in the minority.
           \_ Castro is taking all the money himself to save his people from
              corruption, much like a loving parent shielding his children
              from harm with his own body.  I assure you that Castro himself
              receives no benefit or joy from the money.  Quite the contrary.
        \_ Come on, this is Forbes.  Like they don't have an agenda...
           \_ Yeah, but as long as those numbers aren't fake we can use them.
              \_ Did you read how they arrived at those numbers? Estimating
                 Castro's wealth as a stipulated fraction of a guess at Cuba's
                 GNP? I was suprised. Forbes usually does better than that.
        \_ So what is the difference between the inherited wealth of
           a King or Queen and the inherited wealth of say, the Walton's
           or any of the other on the top 500 who acheived their wealth
           from inheritance?
          \_ You can't tell the difference between wealth stolen from the
             people though force of arms and wealth earned by a relative and
             passed on?  Okey dokey!  Mars or Venus?
             \_ Which is which? Most fortunes are acquired through the
                violence and treachery of one's ancestors.
                \_ care to back this up with a real reference?
        \_ Someone please tell me how Oprah is worth $1 bil. At least Jailbird
           Stewart sold something tangible. Oprah spouts feminazi drabble
        \_ years ago oprah gained seveal hundred million in
           cbs stock when cbs bought king world, maybe she
           diversified?  producing and owning the syndication
          rights to a popular television show is tangible.
2003/2/28-3/1 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:27567 Activity:high
2/28    Have you guys ever experience a sudden slow down/or a pause while
        composing your email, or editing some text on CSUA via SSH?
        \_ sometimes campus net is congested, nothing you can do about it.
        \_ It's a glitch in the matrix.  It happens when they change something.
           \_ I wish I could sentence you to the Neutral Zone, you
              fucking nerd.
              \_ are you insulting someone for being a nerd by using
                 a star trek reference? wow.
              \_ I wish I could sentence you to the rape camps, you
                 fucking nerd.
                 \_ you could've just said 'prison'
                    \_ I wanted it clear exactly what I wished.
                       \_ Point taken.
                          \_ Yeah, you'll be taken' "points"
2003/2/28-3/2 [Computer/SW/RevisionControl] UID:27568 Activity:nil
2/18    Can I simply tar an entire CVS repository tree, then migrate it
        elsewhere, or is there some system dependent file there?
        \_ You can move both the CVS repository (the dir with the ,v
           files) and a CVS checkedout directory without any problems.
2003/2/28-3/1 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:27569 Activity:high 60%like:27576
2/18    Is there any relation between a Huffman code tree and a red-black tree?
        \_ They're both algorithms?
        \_ They are both trees.
        \_ Second cousins I think
           \_ Kissing cousins, I hear
        \_ Depends; what shade of red?
        \_ and thus we see no one here remembers a damned thing from class.
           i dont either.  just pointing it out.  heh.
           \_ those of us who do remember some damned things from class
              would like to point out that we don't see anything here other
              than an utterly meaningless question and a few people
              entertaining themselves in response.
              \_ well that would be an answer, wouldn't it?  "Your question is
                 utterly meaningless." is a valid response.  I'm glad you
                 remember stuff from class.  I'm glad I don't.  :-)
        \_ If you work in the real world (industry) you don't need to know
           any of this shit. In fact you don't have to know anything at all
           besides knowing how to kiss ass to your boss.
        \_ Is this a trick question?
2003/2/28-3/1 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:27570 Activity:moderate
2/28    SSLOTD (Spam Subject Line Of The Day):
                "My goat has torn my hymen"
        \_ "You have been deflowered.  Meeeaaaahhh."
        \_ You're using its horn?
        \_ Subject: They stolen my purity
                I was walking on gloomy boulevard late at night.
                Ominous boors catched me.
                They torn asunder my breeches.
                I was innocent before...
                <website omitted>
                \_ omnivorous bears?
2003/2/28 [Reference/BayArea, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:27571 Activity:nil
2/28    Most of your friends are married.  They have settled down and bought
        a house in the suburbs.  Some have children or are planning to have
        children.  Meanwhile, you still hang out at berkeley or SF.  Taking
        classes and pretending to be a student all over again.  Becoming or
        trying to become another pathetic 30 year old first year grad student.
                                 \_ why is going to grad school later in life
                                    pathetic?
        Chasing after 18 year old coeds.  Or still playing computer games
        and fiddling with your unix box all weekend.  When are you going to
        settle down?
        \_ oh god not Berkeley or SF!  it's worse than Juarez?
        \_ what's the point? freedom is wonderful. oooo, the suburbs. i
           feel so sad that i'm not in the suburbs. ha ha ha.
        As soon as I find the right man/women/bovine:
        Until I become 40: .
        Never:
        Why?: .
2003/2/28-3/2 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:27572 Activity:high
2/28    Is it a bad thing to have more than 15 partitions (counting everything
        such as drivers, free space etc) on a hard drive?  The system is
        OS X, possibly coexisting with linuxppc, if that matters.
        \_ if every partition is as large as you will need it to be for the
           life of the disk, it's not a bad thing.
           Do you believe that's true?  -tom
           \_ That is different level of badness from what I am worried about.
              Some places (man page for pdisk) says there are bugs in the
              Some place (man page for pdisk) says there are bugs in the
              else where this is documented.  However I just got a kernel
              panic for unknown reason.
              kernel that can't deal with > 15 partitions but I see nowhere
              else where this is documented and it might be archaic (MkLinux).
              However I just got a kernel panic for unknown reason.
              \_ Why don't you play it safe and stay at 14 partitions?
                 \_ What does one need with 14 partitions?  mkdir.
                    \_ Mount options can only be enabled on mount points,
                       not on subdirectories.
                        \_ you're being silly.
                        \_ and a mount point is what? a subdirectory....
                           \_ You can only set nodev, nosuid on partitions
                              mounted on a particular directory. If you
                              want to run some process in a chroot env,
                              if the fake root isn't a separate volume
                              you would have to disable things like nosuid
                              on the whole volume that the fake root dir
                              located on.
                                \_ ok, you now have a (fairly specious)
                                   reason to have two partitions.  What
                                   possible reason is there for the other
                                   13?
              \_ I meant (and said) "physical" partitions, which include
                 partition map, drivers etc.  On a Mac hard drive, just 7
                 volumes will take you to 16 partitions, somtimes 18.  Any
                 way yes I can just mkdir.  Note that there are at least 3
                 types of diff. fs and os on a mac/ppc system, not counting
                 the virtual pc, and that's some motivation to have a large
                 number of partitions on a large disk.
                \_ no it's not.
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