Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2003:February:25 Tuesday <Monday, Wednesday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2003/2/25 [Uncategorized] UID:27512 Activity:low
2/25    In bugzilla you can associate a bug with a specific build/release.
        Is there a way to do this in rt2?
        \_ no.
2003/2/25 [Uncategorized] UID:27513 Activity:low
2/25    Anybody from New Orleans - what are some suggested places to go
        \_ around burbon street.  Don't be afraid to go a couple blocks off
           You might get mugged and stabbed but there is lots of good stuff.
           Casino:  Harrah's has a great table where they switch between
           texas-hold 'em and Omaha.
           Craw-dad hunting.
           \_ you can go to the flea markets and buy some...voodoo dolls.
        \_ I heard of this thing called like "Mardi Gras" or something that is
           supposed to be good... maybe you should check that out.
        \_ Take the trolley up St. Charles Street
2003/2/25 [Uncategorized] UID:27514 Activity:nil
2/25    Alright!  This is the first MOTD that's been entertaining in quite
        a long time.
        \_ troll.
2003/2/25 [Recreation/Dating] UID:27515 Activity:nil
2/24    I just realized that Valentine's came and went w/o any input from
        BDG? Is he now also a BMG?
2003/2/25-26 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Recreation/Sports] UID:27516 Activity:nil
2/24    nethack-3.4.1 installed.  You can use ~mconst/bin/nethack-convert
        to move a 3.4.0 saved game to 3.4.1; please let me know if anything
        goes wrong.  --mconst
2003/2/25-26 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:27517 Activity:very high
2/24    Anybody else been getting porn spam that seems specifically
        crafted to get around SpamAssassin?  I've gotten 6 emails
        regarding mostrubating rappists in the past 3 days.
        \_ The main reason why spamassassin is ultimately useless: such
           crafting is even possible.
           \_ On balance it reduces the time I spend looking at spam (even
              taking in to account the time I have wasted replying to you).
              That seems pretty useful to me.
              \_ You miss the point.
              \_ Pay attention to the word "ultimately."
           \_ You're being pigheaded.
              \_ Not at all.  There are other, more promising, technologies
                 available to accomplish the same task.  But anything with
                 a relatively fixed set of rules and whitelist can be easily
                 \_ what "more promising" technologies are these?   I'm sure
                    soda folks would be glad to implement them.  (Or does
                    "promising" mean "it doesn't work yet"?)
                    \_ ifile! --scotsman
                        \_ I use ifile, and it doesn't work as well as
                           spamassassin.  -tom
                           \_ I use it too, and have had none of the problems
                              I've seen you describe.  I have 4 false negatives
                              and 1 false positive a month, which is more than
                              acceptable for me. --scotsman
                              \_ ifile is fine, but to call it "more
                                 promising" than spamassassin is silly.  -tom
                              \_ The spamassassin filter lists are updated
                                 frequently based on incoming spam, as are
                                 the ifile lists. Both are going to miss
                                 a few at first.
                                 \_ well, the model is different; spamassassin
                                    is analagous to the virus software model
                                    of centrally managed pattern matching
                                    lists, while ifile tries to learn as it
                                    goes.  -tom
                                    \_ the version of SA I use has an "auto
                                       adjust" 'learning' feature.  I've never
                                       tried ifile since SA works perfectly for
                                       me but there ya go.
                        \_ Phil Graham's Bayesian Analysis article.
        \_ Then there was that ever-present mostrubating rappist.
           \_ ah, great reference!
              \_ reference to what?
                 \_ Apparently to the OP.  Yeah, he really reached back for
                    that one.
                    \_ Right, if you don't know what's going on just assume
                       you're smart and that they're an idiot.  Keep up
                       the good attitude there buddy.
                 \_ Butthole Surfers, "Pepper"
           \_ They were doing it in Texas.
        \_ check the address make sure it didn't made to the
           auto whitelist
           \_ this is the most useful response in the whole thread! --aaron
2003/2/25 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:27518 Activity:nil
2/25    Tens of Bush supporters take to the streets!
        \_ You don't need to take to the streets when the government is already
           doing exactly what you want.  What's the point?  No counter protests
           are required.  That takes place in the voting booth at elections.
           The message last election was pretty clear: all three branches.
2003/2/25 [Health/Women] UID:27519 Activity:nil
2/25    jesus and the fda,8599,361521,00.html
2003/2/25 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:27520 Activity:nil
2/25    Thank god!  Rosie has spoken and says war is wrong and we're doing
        bad and that she just wants saddam and osama "to go away".  I rest
        can more easily at night knowing great minds like this are getting
        quoted on world affairs and influencing the public.
        \_ Sounds like she's arguing for the side of war.  You can do that
           effectively by reducing the opposition's side of things to an
           absurdity, or making their essential position look really dumb.
           Which she's done very well, according to your quote.
           \_ This is called "straw man argument" and is considered weak
              debating technique.
              \_ Not really.  It may fall under the description, but it's
                 not a particularly good example.
           \_ Except in this case you *know* Rosie isn't in favor of war.
              She's just your typical hollywood leftist loud mouth idiot.
              Although I do admit that I too would like saddam and osama to
              "go away".  It's got a deceptively simple and childishly joyous
2003/2/25-26 [Computer/Networking] UID:27521 Activity:nil
2/25    My freaking @Home has just been pasted to Comcast from AT&T and they
        are jacking the price to $56/month + cable modem rental starting in
        April 1 from the current $42.  I am looking at the Yahoo! SBC DSL deal
        for $35/month.  Anyone has any comments and/or suggestions?
        \_ Sure if you want them reselling the shit out of your personal info
           and surfing habits with info attached directly to your surfing.
           \_ i supposed this means that they actually logged and resell my
              surfing habits, such as my brother using kaza (sp?) and me doing
              music and VCD's from newsgroups?  -op
              \_ yep.  Read the small print *very* carefully.  It's in there.
                 how else do you think they can do it so cheap compared to the
                 competition?  you're for sale to the lowest scumbag.
        \_ are you in Berkeley? is this scheduled to happen here too if
           you aren't?
           \_ i m in San Leandro.  -op
        \_ DSLExtreme is fairly good.  And does not insist on a contract if
           you bring your own DSL modem (buy one on ebay).  They were having
           some annoying outages between like 2-4AM, but they seem to have
           fixed that. -dans
2003/2/25-26 [Recreation/Pets, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:27522 Activity:high
2/25    Several days ago someone posted some pictures of a cat which all its
        hair are shaven except on its head and the skin on its body looks gray.
        Can someone post that URL again?  I searched for "cat" in
        ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v but couldn't find it.  Thanks.
        \_ That was me. Use the wall logs... or maybe GIS --aaron
           \_ I've never used wall.  Where's the wall log file?  Thanks.
                \_ /var/log/wall*
                   \_ Didn't find anything either.  Must be older than 7 days.
                      But thanks anyway.
                      \_ /csua/lib/wall. and how'd you SEE the
                         ORIGINAL wall if you don't use wall? --aaron
                         \_ because it was ALSO posted on the MOTD, aaron,
                            you JACKASS! -!op
                            \_ aw, shit! --aaron
2003/2/25-26 [Uncategorized] UID:27523 Activity:moderate
2/25    Waaaah!  What happened to the Red Tractor (in Rockridge)?
        \_ Red tractor was the worst breakfast place ever.  The eggs were
           precooked, and you couldn't even order sunny-side up.
           Rockridge Cafe (a block or two south) is much better.
           \_ in CA sunny-side up is illegal
              \_ Not illegal, but it does come with a "raw egg" warning.
           \_ Sure, but their lunch was filling and heartwarming. And
              now they appear to be closed.
2003/2/25-26 [Computer/HW, Computer/HW/Display, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:27524 Activity:kinda low
2/25    So I've heard of a couple windows programs now that allow you to
        sort of maintain several "virtual desktops"... can anyone recomend
        a good one? ... oh, it also has to play well with Exceed. Thanks.
        \_ I can tell you that one called Virtual Desktop only works "OK".
           In particular, it can't deal with PowerPoint.  I wasn't satisfied
           with it and now I'm not using it.  --PeterM
        \_ I have tried the really old version of VERN and recently
           Multi-Desktop and also MultiDesk of ATI.  I like Multi-Desktop more
           since it is really compact and that they also have the shortcut keys
           to switch between windows.
        \_ Norton's worked really well a few years back.
        \_ I always loved the one in Reflection X, but it isn't worth
           installing the whole suite for just that.
2003/2/25-26 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:27525 Activity:high
2/25    Is there a spamassassin for dummies kind of FAQ?  I'm technically
        gay and I'm looking for directions on what to type in.  Unix programs
        are so user unfriendly.  I'm using pine.  If that matters.  FYI,
        I already checked out  The info there is terrible.
        \_ do you just want to use it on Soda?
           \_ Not OP, but I'm interested in SA on just Soda.
        \_ Paste this to your shell (should work on soda):
| /usr/local/bin/spamc

:0 hw:
* ^X-Spam-Status: Yes
        \_ and how do I run procmail?  Having a .procmailrc automatically
           kick starts procmail?  -not technical guy
           \_ soda uses procmail as local MDA, so, yes.
        \_ you don't want /dev/null here; that will automatically trash
           all spam mail, including your false positives.  replace
           /dev/null with "spam", then you can check through your spam
           mailbox for false positives occasionally.  -tom
           \_ tom, you're correct (i changed it to /dev/null for simplicity),
              except now the pine user is going to ask how to change folders,
              and so forth.
           \_ What is the false positive rate? 1 out of every 10 real? 100?
              \_ I find about 1/50, but this depends highly on the clue level
                 of friends trying to email you. If your friends send you mail
                 that looks like spam, YMMV.
              \_ mine is about 1/10,000 since I started using spamassassin.
                 most of it is work email but it hasnt mis-reported any of
                 2000 or so personal emails either.
           \_ do I need to create the spam mailbox? ... or will it be created
              for me on the first spam?
                \_ procmail will create it.
           \_ I mark spam at 5 and use procmail to trash spam above 17.
              This way I can catch false positives (Which happen at
              lower thresholds I find) but trash obvious spam.
* ^X-Spam-Level: \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*
        \_ I'm looking at, but I don't see anything about
           typical score values.  I see the Tests Performed page, but that's
           just scores for individual tests.  How did you settle on 17?
           \_ Trial and error. I watched scores for a while and then settled
              on 5 for threshold and 17 for delete.
              \_ How did you work out a two tier response? My procmail fu
                 got me as far as just checking if the spam flag was there.
                 Could you direct me your .procmailrc?
                 \_ I use a two-tier as well, 6 and 12. --aaron
              \_ Hmm, thx for the info. One more question... what's the
                 highest score for a false positive you've received?
                 \_ 15.x for an evite -- jsjacob
                    \_ they have fixed this since around 2.20
2003/2/25-26 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:27526 Activity:low
2/25    My laptop died.  So I took out its 2.5" hard drive and tried to hook it
        to the 40 pin cable in my computer and discovered that the hard drive
<       (Toshiba) has 44 pins and is not compatible.  Aren't these things
        supposed to be standardized and compatible with each other?  What
        should I do?
        \_ Get a 2.5" to 3.5" converter.  The extra pins are for power (I
           believe).  First google search resulted in this :
           \_ I ordered two of these from here and they work fine:
           \_ You pick one up at Fry's for under $10. They are kind of flimsy
              Watch where pin 1 is, sometimes it's not facing power (meaning
              you'll have ot turn it upside)
2003/2/25 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:27527 Activity:high
2/25    MSNBC cancelled Phil Donahue!  It's because the company is owned by
        a mega corp conglomerate that's only interested in pushing their
        right wing agenda on the country!  It has nothing at all to do with
        his shitty ratings.  Nothing!
        \_ i still think Fox News is owned by a bunch of hate mongering
           right wing fuck monkeys.
           \_ and a good thing too or we'd have to put monkeys on the
              endangered species list and get a forced breeding program going!
              save the fuck monkeys!
           \_ #1 Fox News.  BTW, consider not mongering hate against the
              "hate mongering right wing fuck monkeys!"
        \_ Dude, that guy was still on TV?!
2018/08/20 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
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