1/30    How do I configure apache to collect the referrer information
        in the access logs?
        \_ STFW. http://httpd.apache.org/docs-project
        \_ RTFCF. /usr/local/apache/conf/httpd.conf-dist
                \_ STFU
                   \_ um, did you try it?  it's all right there.

1/30    Clinton Was Sued for Intimidating Black Voters in Arkansas
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/811047/posts

1/31    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/31/business/31SAVE.html
        What kind of bullshit is Bush trying to pull?  What a shameless
        tactic.  Tax now to make up for the huge deficit, and to hell
        with the future.  Keep borrowing tax money from the future.
        I thought only drug addicts do these kind of things.
        \_ Guess what - Social Security will be broke in 10 years
           regardless.  The return on the money you pay into Social
           Security will be negative - and yet you want to pay more?
           If you're so fucking gungho about it - PAY EXTRA, in fact
           pay my share.  And yes, drug addicts do make comments
           like yours.
           \_ It's not about the level of taxation.  It's about
              borrowing future tax revenues to spend today.  Get a clue.
              Scrap social security for all I care.  This Roth IRA
              thing is a dangerous game to play.  It's good for me
              personally in the short run, but it is bad for the nation.
              The government is sacrificing a future revenue stream for
              a one shot infusion of tax money.
                \_ And we all know what happens to money from the
                   'revenue streams' the government sacrifices right?
                   The money magically disappears and is never seen
                   or heard from again (a dark cave in the middle in Libya).
                   As if the current IRS code does not encourage tax
                   evasion.
                   \_ You think the government will cut spending when
                      the tax revenue disappears?  Nah, they will just
                      increase your taxes then.  Remember  "Read my
                      lips. No new taxes"?  Thus you are taxed twice.
              \_ Obviously you've never run a business or any other sort of
                 revenue in/outflow oriented .org.  Borrowing from the future
                 to fund things today the way life works.  Do you think
                 to fund things toady is the way life works.  Do you think
                 businesses are stupid for taking out business loans?  Do you
                 think the government should run a perfectly balanced zero debt
                 budget in good times and bad?  Would you like to see a 20%
                 cut in services if tax revenues drop 20% one year?  Or would
                 your 'answer' be to simply raise taxes 20%?  Take some intro
                 macro economics courses (just one will do) and join us after.
                 Until then, you're merely confused and a bit cute.  Are you
        \_this may be true when running a profitable business, but
          then we get in a discussion of whether the government should
          be run like a corporation.  after you fill my head with tales
          of efficiency and how Bush has packed his cabinet with highly
          successful businessmen, then I whip out how recent news stories
          are filled with the collapse of supposedly highly successful
          corporations.
                 available?  I could use another young naive pliable lover.
                 \_ Yea sure, the government is like an efficient business.
                    Get a grip.  You think they will just cut spending in the
                    future?  Nah, they will just increase your taxes to
                    make up for the lost revenues.  Remember "Read my lips,
                    no new taxes"?  Besides, borrowing too much is bad even
                    for businesses.  Do you really need me to list examples
                    of mightily leveraged companies falling flat on their
                    faces?  This is not just a little borrowing.  It's
                    potentially a huge amount of money.  Your important segment
                    of 80k and above earners are going to dump or redirect a
                    big chunk of their savings or 401k contributions to these
                    schemes.  Do the math.  Also, if you want to stimulate the
                    economy, cut taxes so people spend more or invest more,
                    don't borrow future taxes so government can waste more.
                    No, the government should not run a "perfectly balanced
                    zero debt budget", it should run a budget that's in the
                    black with some margin.  Finally, stop trying to act
        \_ Boy, NY Times bias is showing:
           "The change, which would primarily benefit the affluent who can
           afford to save more of their income"
           (or maybe they need to explain to the readers who can't think for
           themselves)
           \_ So stating the obvious is bias?
              \_ Slanting it to refer to "the affluent" is.  Hey, I can save
                 more than you can, I'm affluent!
                    tough.  You are just a spring chicken.
                    \_ Why does the trickle down myth persist?
                       \_ So rich people don't feel guilty.
                    \_ The 'huge' amount of money is actually very tiny
                       compared to the whole budget.  I've got a grip.  You go
                       do some math.  I have no idea what your noise about
                       "acting tough" and "spring chickens" is about.  Anyway,
                       an intro macro class wouldn't kill you.

1/30    A cold shower
        http://csua.org/u/8ab (libertarian blather)
        \_ I seem to remember reading this on the wall of top dog.
        \_ Thomas Sowell is Black conservative at Stanford.

1/30    Has anyone heard of or used BioCalth?  Any and all comments would be
        greatly appreciated.  This and other derived products have been pushed
        on the Chinese (Cantonese) TV and radio stations a lot lately.  My
        parents have been drawn by all these ads, and searching for BioCalth on
        Google does not return useful info other than the company's presses.
        \_ Do you use the one made from tiger bones or dragon bones?
        \_ Moderate weight lifting will acheive the same effect without
           any of the quackery.  Add cycling and running to this and their
           health will improve greatly.  It is cheaper and more likely to
           achieve the intended effect this way.
           \_ Will non-fat milk also do?
              \_ No, that just increase calcium intake.  You need to increase
                 calcium absorption.

1/31    motd poll: when i consider all of my debts, including student
        loan, credit card, and mortgage, and all of my assets, i am
        in the black: .....
        in the red: ...
        debt?  What's debt?: ...
        living with my parents: ..
        living with yermom: .
        my parents/in-laws living with me:
        \_ For those with a house, being in the red is normal for the
           first decade or so.
           \_ Don't forget, the house is an asset.
                \_ but all that intrest isn't
                   \_ (Value of house - mortgage) is usually a positive number.
                      The quickest way to get in the black is to buy a house.
                      It is not normal at all to be in the red for a decade
                      after buying a house. --dim
                   \_ Neither is rent.  Shelter isn't free.
        \_ Folks, you don't count a mortgage or student loans as the same kind
           of debt as your CCs.  CC's and other crap are 'consumer debt' which
           is money you wasted on junk to live the american lifestyle.  Debt
           from a mortgage or student loans is a valuable investment in your
           future.  I have zero student debt, zero consumer debt and over $300k
           of mortgage debt.  I am way in the black.  If I had no mortgage but
           $20k of CC debt I'd be fucked.

1/31    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/31/business/31SAVE.html
        \_ [summary of deleted dicussion: this is bad...so what...you're stupid
        ...you're stupider...strawman [repeatx3]...bicker, bicker, whine]

1/31    MEMORIES OF A FREE IRAQ. The Fire Last Time
        http://www.tnr.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20030210&s=alsuwaij021003
        \_ Thank you for posting this!  It was a very interesting essay, and I
           wouldn't have seen it otherwise.  (seriously)
        \_ Will the Shiite dominated regions just break off and join Iran?
           \_ Unlikely, IMHO. Why would Arabs would want to be dominated by
              Persians, even if they share the same religion? BTW, according to
              one of Pentagon's numerous "leaked" plans, a new Kurdish state
              will be formed in the Northern Iraq, the Shiite populated south
              will become part of Kuwait, and the rest of Iraq will become
              part of Jordan ..
              \_ PLEASE post a link to these "leaked" plans-- I would almost
                 support such a plan.
              \_ Who gets Baghdad?  US?
                 \_ Which part of "the rest of Iraq" above did you not
                    understand?
                    \_ How am I supposed to know Baghdad is not in
                       Southern or Northern Iraq?  It's not like Iraq
                       is so important I have to know its geography.
                       \_ Because you're supposed to be a college student and
                          vaguely aware of these things and capable of looking
                          them up for yourself.  Go back to k-3 if you still
                          need to be spoonfed.  Idiot, you don't belong at Cal.
              \_ Highly unlikely that Kurdistan would form unless you want the
                 US to screw over Turkey, which would lead it to become an
                 Islamic state and probably increasing tension in the region.
                 \_ The Kurds aren't getting anything.  They'll get fucked as
                    usual.  It doesn't matter much anyway since they're a
                    bunch of barbarians.  Fuck em.

1/28    Anyone have an extra ticket for the Sleater-Sinney shows in
        San Francisco next week? - danh

1/31    Duuude, Frat boys rule!
        link:csua.org/u/8af
        \_ There's no new info here.  Why post this?
           \_ Because Frat boys get a bad rap.
              \_ This link doesn't help their rep.  And they earn their rep.

1/31    Bike riders, how long can you stay on those race bikes (e.g. F4i,
        R6, Interceptor, etc) before your back starts to ache?
        \_ Motorcycles or bicycles?
        \_ Really depends on the bike.  A VFR (which used to be an Interceptor
           way back in the day) is quite comfortable, while an R6 will make
           you uncomfortable much sooner.
        \_ My back never bothered me, but my legs would cramp up after about
           two hours.

1/31    Soda hosted web site on slashdot:
        http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/01/31/1436205&mode=flat&tid=12
        \- the dumbass got an A- in 7A.

1/31     crotch rocket asshole thread deleted.