1/06    Does the redhat package Manager (rpm) only know about libraries that
        it has installed?  I have put a library in /usr/lib and put /usr/lib
        in ld.so.conf and rpm is still complaining that it can't find the
        library.
        \_ Have you ran ldconfig afterwards?  And is rpm complaining that about
           lack of the library or lack of an rpm package that contains the
           library?
        \_ Yes, it only knows about what it has installed. Dependencies are
           based on the installation of packages. You can force it to install
           anyway if you want it to. --dim
        \_ is LD_LIBRARY_PATH set? If so it might override ld.so.conf.
        \_ yet another reason for linux suckage.  at least some of the other
           distributions use semi-rational ports/package mangers. or use a real
           unix.

1/6     When did 3.5" floppies officially "die"?
        \_ I think it's still miserably living.
        \_ 6 May 1998
        \_ I'm not dead yet!
           \_ I'm feeling better!
        \_ When bootable, rewritable CD's became affordable, and you
           could install Linux without a floppy disk.

1/6     I got a Gillete mach3 turbo shaver in the mail.  Why is Gillete
        giving it away for free?  Are they stupid?
        \_ Anyone tried using a straight razor? They do it in the movies
           and it looks so easy.
           \_ It looks so easy when they jump 10 feet up too.
        \_ They want you to love their product and spend the rest of your
           life buying replacement blades.
        \_ Did you try it? Is it any better than Gillete Sensor?
           \_ The regular Sensor razor is little better than a disposable
              Bic.  With Excel you get little rubber flaps that reduce
              cuts.
           \_ Sensor Excel is a smoother shave than the mach3, but it is
                more likely to cut you. it's not good for heads or legs or
                sensitive faces. the mach3 turbo doesnt seem to be any
                different than the mach3, but it is 50% more expensive. i got
                gyp'd...
                \_ I second everything you said, except I never tried it
                   on my head or legs.  - op
                \_ no way.  Mach3 is a much closer shave for me than the
                   Sensor Excel, and I have some serious facial hair. -aspo
                   \_ Oh I forgot.  The one thing I don't like about the
                      Mach3 vs. the Sensor Excel is that if I don't shave
                      for a few days the Mach3 hurts more when I shave (but
                      still is less likely to cut up my face.)  The Mach3
                      Turbo doesn't seems to be a bit better in this respect.
                        \_ does or doesnt?
                \_ yeah, I learned the hard way too that Sensor Excel is bad
                   for my sensitive face ..
                   \_ I have a suspicion that Gillette purposely lowered
                      the quality for sensor excel blades so people would
                      move to mach3.  It's a damn blade, how many years
                      do they need to perfect it?
                      \_ Mach3 sucked ass last time i used it.  i have no
                         troubles with the excel...
        \_ I think they sent me mach3 when I turned 18.  Yeah, it's basically
           to get you to buy their blades, but a lot of people, including
           myself like mach3.  Oh, and I've known quite a few girls that
           liked it for their legs.
           \_ Damn!  No wonder my ex-girlfriend refuses to return me my
              mach3, relegating me to my crappy old sensor excel.
              \_ brilliant! you've figured out how to get STD's from your
                 ex without sex.
        \_ This is getting very boring.  Can someone start a thread discussing
           the relative merits of different brands of female hygienic products?
           \_ Finally a man's-man instead of csua-man discussion on them motd

01/06   Important legal ruling for all you males:
        http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/01/06/state1919EST0124.DTL
        Um, just give me a few more minutes to finish up...
        \_"the high court's majority did not indicate how much time a man has
           to withdraw once a woman says stop."
           \_ there should be a yellow-light first. Then you're allowed in
              the intersection. When it's yellow, you have a chance to
              speed up.  Once it turns red, you get a ticket.
           \_ Brings new meaning to the term "California Stop".

1/6     When a girl says you don't have any ambition ande breaks up with you
        does that mean "you don't make enuff money" in Womanese?
        \_ Two words: "penile enlargement"
        \_ probably means "you're a loser"
        \_ I think it means she might marry you but you're not that type.
        \_ It means you play too many video games and you don't buy
           her enough cocaine because she's bored out of her skull most
           of the time watching you master Tekkin XP.

01/06   Important legal ruling for all you males:
        http://csua.org/u/779   -from http://sfgate.com -urld
        Um, just give me a few more minutes to finish up...
        \_ What about when she says: "Don't...Stop...Don't...Stop..."?
        \_"the high court's majority did not indicate how much time a man has
           to withdraw once a woman says stop."
           \_ there should be a yellow-light first. Then you're allowed in
              the intersection. When it's yellow, you have a chance to
              speed up.  Once it turns red, you get a ticket.
           \_ Brings new meaning to the term "California Stop".
        \_ And this is relevant to most sodans how?  You have to talk to girls
           before you get to this point.
           \_ c'mon, most of us here are around 30 now. we've talked to girls,
           it's just not that interesting.
           \_ perhaps you've been talking to the wrong girls.

1/6     http://www.findericroberts.com
        Some people have too much time on their hands.
        \_ Especially Fernando.  -John

1/7     Has anybody had any luck reselling an unopened, unused,
        forced-down-your-throat copy of WinXP?  It came with a Dell that
        is now happily running FreeBSD, and never, even once, booted into
        WinXP.  I tried to sell it on Ebay/Half.com, but it was removed by
        the admins after MS complained.
        \_ try craigslist?
        \_ http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/71508803?aucview=0x23
           Yahoo doesn't mind.
        \_ Get your money back from M$  http://www.linuxmall.com/refund
        \_ That sucks. Why the f*** should MS care?
                \_ microsoft got 40 billion in the bank by being the meanest
                   nastiest dudes on the block, they're not going to
                   stop now
                        \_ Right, so fight back, and demand a refund per
                           the End User License Agreement (EULA)
                           Call Dell, dude.
                                \_ has anyone seen the new dell "dude"?
                                   he's dull as hell.
                                   \_ as opposed to the old dell 'dude'?
                                      *boggle*

1/7     Has anybody tried anonymous proxies (e.g. http://www.anonymizer.com
        What are your opinions?  Is it worth the money?  Would it make it
        safer to surf url-shortened sites?
        \_ safer how?
           \_ So that your traffic isn't snooped, so that your actual
              destinations aren't logged.

1/7     Could the Great Gods of Soda Root install the perl RSS module?
        >perl -MXML::RSS -MLWP::Simple -e ''
        Can't locate XML/RSS.pm in @INC (@INC contains:
        /usr/libdata/perl/5.00503/mach /usr/libdata/perl/5.00503
        /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-freebsd
        /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005 .).
        BEGIN failed--compilation aborted.
        thanks. - a fan
        \_ Mailing root is more effective. --scotsman
           \_ done.  Installed.  Thanks, scotsman and root.

1/7     SQL/DB Question: Is there any way to do a query and only return a
        certain set of results? Like the results between 20-30. Kinda like
        what Google does when you choose what subset of results you want
        to see. It seems like they don't do one query and cache it,
        they do it dynamically based on the parameters. And I can't use
        something like Scrollable ResultSets because my program has to
        be stateless and the query can be done at any time. Did that make
        sense?
        \_ Yes.
        \_ Create an incremental column and use BETWEEN.
          \_ It's not the rows in the DB table I want, it's going to be
             the rows that are returned by the SQL Query. But thanks. -op
          \_ I meant create a computed incrementing column in the select
             clause.
        \_ use 'limit' and 'offset'.  Not all db support it and this is
           not a standard sql.

1/7     http://www.freep.com/news/locway/knife7_20030107.htm
        And no that's not the free republic.  It's the Detroit Free Press.
        \_ That's either one fucking sharp knife, or he put her hand
           down on the fucking pavement and chopped it off.  people suck.
        \_ I don't go to Free Republic since they cut off my posting
           priviledges for being a "troll." So much for freedom of speech.
                \_ There is no freedom of speech in a private enterprise
                   you twit.  The 1st Amendment applies to government
                   coercion.  I'm glad they revoked your priviliges as
                   it eliminates the possibility of reading any garbage you
                   might type.
                   \_ Interesting. Neither of you can spell "privileges".
                   \_ Too bad you can't handle posts by anyone who
                      might upset you in the slightest. Conservatives
                      love to talk about freedom of speech, but when they
                      get the chance, they muzzle anyone who disagrees
                      with them.
                        \_ Hence the diversity of thought in academia today eh?
                      \_ It's because they can't deal with facts and truth.
           \_ Then you can read the link since it *isn't* the Free Republic.
              At Lucianne they'd call you a site pest and mostly just mock you
              and egg you on.  Try posting there.

1/7     Does saving PS1 game data on PS2 require a PS1 memory card?
                \_ yes. --jwang@playstation
        I STFWed and found many conflicting answers.  Anyone has
        first-hand experience on this?
        \_ Ask Sony.
        \_ Yes.  Because PS1 memory cards use blocks and PS2's don't,
           I think.  -geordan
        \_ I'll try it tonight and post or email the results. --peterl

1/6   Has anyone here ever played with end-to-end (integrated) QoS?
      I'm trying to find out whether I can use it to force a client to
      throttle down its bandwidth (reserving a minimum as opposed to
      a maximum amount of throughput.)  If so, can I do this based on
      source/destination IP, as opposed to application-specific?  I.e. have
      the sum total bandwidth to a certain host not exceed x kbps.  No, the
      routing equipment doesn't do differential QoS.  -John
      \_ QoS has two parts, first is classification of traffic and second
         is what you want to do with the different classifications.  If
         you're using a cisco box, you can first setup ACLs to classify the
         traffic.  And then shape that traffic to a specific bandwidth.
         I don't understand your comments on routing equipment doesn't do
         differential QoS.  This has to be performed on a router.
        \_ You're asking for conflicting information.  You want to set a min
           or a max for this client?
           \_ Sorry, thought it was clear.  I want to set a max, and I
              don't care if it's on the client or server.  -John
         \_ RSVP can ignore components that don't support it.  I was trying
            to figure out whether integrated ("end-to-end") QoS would let
            me restrict bandwidth available to client X when trying to
            access server Y.  Unfortunately, I think it only lets you
            specify how much bandwidth a client is allowed to reserve, and
            allocates for guaranteed delivery within that amount of bandwidth,
            but does 'best-effort' for all traffic above and beyond that,
            instead of just restricting the total bandwidth the client is
            allowed to use.  -John

1/6     looking for a motorcycle safety class in s cal, any recs?
        \_ call 1.800.ccrider, or visit <DEAD>www.cmsp.org<DEAD>

1/07    Coming to a State Near You: California's Illegal
        Immigration Economic Nigthmare
        http://www.FreeRepublic.com/perl/banner/image/2
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/817592/posts
        \_ Thar she blows! Round up the harpoons! We're after a
           freeper carcass!
        \_ Don't waste your time with that trash site. They just
           censor anything they disagree with.

01/07   ah' love mah' mama, but she gots'ta gained 20lbs since we gots married.
        ah' am beginnin' t'find ha' sexually unattractive.  ah' told ha' about
        dis already.  And she gots'ta tried t'lose weight.  But obviously it
        ain't wo'kin'. God knows whut she's eatin' when I's not around. To make
        matters wo'se, dere's dis mama at wo'k dat's flirtin' wid me.  She
        looks likes Winona Ryder; slenda' and pretty. And comes by mah' cubicle
        some lot t'chat.  One time durin' de middle uh a conversashun, we
        paused and looked into each oders eyes fo' whut seems likes an
        eternity.  It wuz some awkward moment.  ah' became embarrassed and
        looked waaay down.  She plum laughed and joked about sump'n else.  I's
        contemplatin' havin' some affair.  How kin one stay faidful unda' dese
        circumstances?
        \_ 4. To angle fo' wid some trollin' line, o' wid some scribblin' drawn
              along de surface uh de booze; hence, t'allure.  What it is, Mama!
        \_ ah' say go fo' it, until ya' fuck it out uh each oder.
        \_ No, this idiotic transliteration is not funny.
        \_ Same here.  My wife's cup size went down and her waist size went up
           since we married.  Except that the two hot women I know at work with
           hot bodies aren't flirting with me, yet.  Now masturbating while
           looking at nude pics seems more attactrive than having sex with my
           wife.
           \_ I am enjoying having sex with your wife. She says you have gained
              three pants sizes since you married. Is that true?

1/7     Has anyone heard of a monitor brand "Magic"?  There's a web site
        selling a reconditioned Magic 21-inch monitor for $229.  Is it a good
        deal?  Thanks.

1/7     Any one liner to extract foo#1234 (foo is unique) out of a file
        filled with lines like:  bar#123456:foo#1234:baz#20 ? Foo can be
        anywhere in the file (not always second field). --dim
              \_ I think this works:

                    perl -ne '($_)=/(foo#\d+)/;print "$_\n" if $_' filename

                 -geordan
                 \_ Seems to work! Awesome. Thanks a lot! --dim
                 \_ thx for the perl cantrip.

1/7     Mercury News full-page Fry's ads now online: http://csua.org/u/790
        \_ hallelujah!