1/5 Good analysis of America, its empire, and the role it should play
in the middle east:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/05/magazine/05EMPIRE.html
\_ Fuck the NYSlimes - the article couches arguments in the
context of a republic but the whole paper is full of nothing
but leftist statists. The Slime's politics are anithetical
to a Republic.
Take this pithy quote for example - '...America backed stability
over democracy, propping up the autocratic rule of the shah,
only to reap the whirlwind of an Islamic fundamentalist
revolution in 1979...".
Well no fucking shit, this was the U.S. paradigm of foreign
policy throughout the cold war to contain Soviet influence.
You can't build a democracy in civilizations a 1000 years behind
the West. But wait a minute, wasn't it the left's
Messiah Jimmy Carter who reversed U.S. support of the Shah only
to embolden Khomeini. This was militant Islam's first success,
a success that ignited the situation we face today
- all thanks to the fucking moron Jimmy 'moral foreign policy'
Carter. The man who brought us Stansfield Turner and ethics
to the CIA. So much for 'Good analysis' eh?
\- hello, you may wish to read the "Living with a superpower"
article in the "Mr. Kim" issue of the E'ist. International
Security is very good on for more technical discussions,
although you may unknowingly miss some things because the
authors take some shortcuts because they assume some
familiarity with IR literature. e.g. take a look at:
http://csua.org/u/763
[IS is better than FA, FP, WP etc.]
n.b. JSTOR may give you better access. --psb
\- oh this article may also make you feel better:
http://www.policyreview.org/JUN02/kagan.html
i dont agree with all of it but it is more interesting
that the article by that communist from the TLS the asp
walled about. --psb
that the article by that communist from the TLS or LRB
the asp walled about. --psb
\_ Kagan's article is very long and extremely boring, to
the point that his points become irrelevant. BTW,
\- the kagan article is a little repetitive
but he raises an interesting "large issue"
and the reset of the world (where American power
while the only interesting thing in the
article the asp mentions is the democrats'
"manhattan problem". i am unable to
respond at greater length to these comments
via wall. by the way, if you want to acquire
some culture, if you havent read it, read
the Melian Dialog at the end of BookV
should it pursue for the rest of the world?
in the History of the Peloponnesian War.
it's a fantastic read. (i'm not suggesting
it's immediate relevance, but this is a
good thing to have in your pocket) --psb
communist or not, that article from LRB was at least
entertaining and the view could represent any
"conservative realist" of another country. To people
who know what that word means, Bush and his troops
sound very much like the Bolsheviks.
\_ Hi. I know what the word 'Bolshevik' means. You
do not. You are likely the same moron who was
comparing US under Bush to USSR. You have no sense
of scale. Go kill yourself now before you get smacked
again like last time.
\_ There is no disagreement between Kagan's article
and the NYT article. They deal with different realms
of the world, Kantian vs Hobbesian, Europe (where
American power is needed only for external threats)
and the rest of the world (where American power
is needed to impose internal order). The NYT article
deals with what US should do in the rest of the world.
Should US act entirely out of its self-interest or
should there be a 'moral foreign policy'? If it is
entirely for self-interest, how is it different in
essence from the Europen empires of the 19th century
and earlier? It could not be, so what other options
should it pursue for the rest of the world? When
Kagan argued that "Americans ought to be the first to
understand that a threat to one's beliefs can be as
frightening as a threat to one's physical security",
he is referring to post-WWII Europe's belief in
solving problems between nations through international
laws, negotiations, diplomacy and forging of economic
ties which is the essence of the European Union,
which many Europeans feel is being threatened by
America's unilateralism. The same, however, can also
be said of the third world's experience of throwing off
colonialism to attain self-determination and self-rule,
after significant hardship and sacrifice. For many
people these beliefs are similarly threatened by
American unilateralism, which is why many nations
outside of Europe also feel uneasy about US's
unilateral exercise of power. |