Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2002:December:24 Tuesday <Monday, Wednesday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2002/12/24 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:26895 Activity:very high
12/23   Spam: A thousand times worse than you imagine:
        \_ Sigh.  The guy's a fool.  Put quotas on mailspools, and make
           \- barry shien has a pretty long history of not being a fool.
              from you comments, i'm inclined to continue to give him
              he benefit of the doubt here. --psb
           your end users learn to filter their own.  Then you won't be
           up to 3am putting in dumbass filters that block your user's
           mom's email.  And for GOD'S SAKE, don't use EXCHANGE!
           \_ And when the customers' mailspools fill with spam, do they all
              have the time and expertise to use a filter or do they drop
              your service for someone who will do it for them?
              \_ I don't know, I'm living in my parents basement still
                 I'll get a job someday.
        \_ something I don't understand about spam.  It must originate from
           somewhere, so why don't the ISPs just pull the plug on people who
           spam?  Some ISPs MUST be making a lot of money carrying spam,
           otherwise the spammers would be shutting down one by one.
           \_ Decent companies _will_ shutdown spammers, and do it quickly.
              There are, unfortunately, many unscrupulous ISPs out there
              that pocket the money and ride right along.
                \_ still doesn't make sense.  there are not that many tier 0
                   or 1 ISPs.  Smallers ones that cater to spam still buy from
                   Qwest, ATT, etc.  So I think this is a problem that the
                   big ISPs don't want to solve because it affects their
                   cash flow.  The article should be about why ATT or Qwest
                   sells to smallers companies that produce spam.
           \_ Its not that easy. Theres lots of places that spam can originate
              from.  In many cases its very well distributed, so that it does
              not appear to be coming from a concentrated site.  Or it is
              coming from poorly secured sites, like open wireless points, or
              even some starbucks' net.
              \_ Troll harder.  Spam has been a problem long before starbucks'
                 net and open wireless points.
        \_ Quick get this guy a soda account, he's uttered the magic phrase:
           "it is a total tragedy of the commons"
           \_ go back to russia, imposter faking as a jew.
           \_ go back to russia, imposter slav mobster faking as a jew.
           \_ you must be a republican, since you like to sieze an idea and
              deride it without regard for its meaning. like "liberal" or
              "military-industrial complex".
                \_ you must be a democrat since you can't understand
                   simple concepts like jokes. (I have no interest in
                   arguing about the "tragedy of the commons" with
                   you or anyone else since it has been repeatedly
                   demonstrated that this concept rests on several
                   invalid assumptions about human nature and human
                   \_ demonstrated by who?
                        \_ Just look through the motd archives.
                           \_ Search for "my brother-in-law with an AA
                              in economics" on FreeRepublic.
                   \_ You know the guy who invented the concept won
                      a nobel prize in economics for his work, right?
                      \_ Yeah, and Yasser Arafat won the *peace* prize.
                      \_ So what? Just because someone wins the nobel
                         prize doesn't make the concept correct. It
                         may be a good approx. of general human behavior
                         in certain circumstances but it doesn't work
                         in all cases. As far as the span thing is
                         concerned, the internet isn't a "commons".
2002/12/24 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:26896 Activity:nil
12/23   Java on Windows. Resurrection.
2002/12/24 [Uncategorized] UID:26897 Activity:nil
12/23   Joe Strummer. RIP.
2002/12/24 [Computer/SW/Security, Reference/Military] UID:26898 Activity:nil
11/22   [stupid airport security thread deleted.]
        \_ mandatory firearm safety training for everyone.  give every
           passenger a gun with rubber bullets.  terrorism problem solved.
        \_ Sheep
2002/12/24-25 [Uncategorized] UID:26899 Activity:nil
12/23   Guys... Tiki or OpenCMS?  or is there any other good Content
        Management tool that is relatively easy to use?
2002/12/24-25 [Uncategorized] UID:26900 Activity:moderate
12/24   what is the fascination that electronics manufacturers currently have
        with blue LEDs?  they're so bright and ANNOYING. (yes, electrical tape
        \_ anyone who's done 3-5 work has an obsession with blue and green
           LED's, just because they are so impressed with themselves, but
           i don't think these poeple generally make marketing
           decisions, and 3-5 nuts hardly constitute a major target market,
           so my comment is really not useful.
        \_ With more efficient blue LEDs, a full-color graphics display
           can be achieved with red and green LEDs (which have been around
           for many years).
           \_ I mean manufacturers using blue LEDs by themselves in various
              consumer electronics gear.
              \_ It's Matrix-kewl?  Ask some marketing clown.  That's who
                 decides these things.
2002/12/24-25 [Uncategorized] UID:26901 Activity:kinda low
12/24   Does anybody know how to pronounce Suge Knight's first name?
        \_ Mare-e-on.
        \_ SHOOG
        \_ Say sugar without the "ar".
2002/12/24-25 [Uncategorized] UID:26902 Activity:high
12/24   Has anybody else had trouble connecting to the gnutella network
        recently?  I've tried several different clients and they all fail.
        \_ I don't pirate anymore, so no, I've had no trouble.
           \_ pirate is a noun.
Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2002:December:24 Tuesday <Monday, Wednesday>