12/6 Any recommendations on a good starter motorcycle?
- sick of parking tickets
\_ You bastard! When they said "RIDE BIKE!" they meant a foot powered
bicycle like a 12 speed, not a sound poluting earth destroying
monster! RIDE BIKE! RIDE BART! RIDE BUS! RIDE SHOES!
\_ Perhaps he wants a eco-friendly, non-poluting natural gas
or electric bike. Don't jump to conclusions.
\_ Get real. The OP was very clear. Eco friendly was not on
the list. It's about parking tickets, not my air. Stop
trying to read in what isn't there. And it's not like an
electric or natural gas vehicle is eco friendly anyway. It's
all killing the planet, you're just moving the problem to
some other place.
\_ I was joking.
\_ That's not funny. Destroying the environment for your
own self convenience is never funny.
\_ Sure, something small (250cc), cheap, and used. Spend your
money on gear. (You're gonna crash the thing with in the
first 6 months, buy cheap and easy) Oh, and take the course.
-jrleek
\_ He's not 'gonna crash,' he just may crash. -jor, 8 years
75,000 miles, no crashes. He should just buy a reasonably
priced standard, like a Bandit or a non racer 600 sportbike.
\_ I'd say a 250 is too small. You will grow out of it to fast.
Not to mention there aren't too many 250s around these days.
Go with sometihng ~500ccs, get something with little or no
plastic (you will drop the bike and plastic is expensive)
and that you won't feel too bad about if you destroy. Lots of
generic 80s and 90s japanese bikes fit the bill.
\_ Yeah, I've heard good things about the course. Gear recs?
I've heard good things about the Suzuki SV650, but I doubt
I'll find one of those used. -OP
\_ minimal reqs - boots, long sleeve shirt, jeans - mds
\_ That's pretty minimal. I'd say minmum is a Snell
approved full face helmet, boots, leather gloves,
leather jacket, and jeans. In that order. -jrleek
\_ I read it as "reqs for the *course*" - they provide
the helmet. Forgot gloves, they require that too.
Jacket is of course good, but not sure it's that
much benefit for the mostly-low-speed riding of the
course, it's warm...
\_ Was actually wondering about general gear recs? -OP
\_ jacket, gloves, helmet, boots, jeans. Wear all
of them. Don't be cheap. Good gloves are a lot
more important than you think, they give you grip
on the trottle and even at 30mph that wind gets
COLD fast. Not to mention losing your palm in
accident would suck. (I've fallen with tough
leather gloves on, you tear those things up.)
Boots are probably the least nessecary of those
five things, but fuck it. Don't be cheap. Having
heard horror stories of people shaving down thier
ankles do you really want to risk it? Once again,
expect that you will fall down at least once in your
first year. If you aren't being too risky it
are only half has likely to get in an accident per mile
probably wont be that bad of a fall, but even a
minor fall can be really painful if you aren't
wearing gear.
\_ Sick of having full use of your limbs and appendages too?
\_ you can die slowly but surely, sitting in a cage in traffic,
or you can accept a chance of sooner pain, saving an hour
a day. You can also go to dinner in North Beach on a Friday
night without paying some bum $20 for 'his' parking space.
\_ you can have your head run over by a semi. your life.
if you stay off freeways you have a much better chance.
but even then you have your red-light runners, people who
rear-end you for no reason, etc. etc.
\_ What are the accident statistics for motorcycles and cars?
\_ I poured over these one night and calculated that you
are only half as likely to get in an accident per mile
on a motorcycle than in a car. However, your accident
is 10 times more likely to be fatal. So the per mile
fatality rate is about 5X. -ausman (still riding)
\_ Any correlation between taking a class and reduced
fatality? --genuninely curious
\_ Well, your insurance rates go down if you take the
class and generally that is a good sign.
\_ No, I have not seen anything convincing. Alchohol is
involved in 1/2 of all crashes, so don't drink and drive,
not even one beer. Do I really need to say this? Also,
2/3 of all injuries are caused by cars where the driver
does not see the rider, so visibility is very important.
Wear bright clothing, ride a brightly colored bike, have
loud pipes, do whatever it takes to be seen, especially
when you are in inexperienced rider. Eventually, you will
learn to adapt your style to your relative invisibility,
but at first it is quite a shock. -ausman
\_ related question - what to watch out for (mechanically) in a
used bike? How much should you expect to pay for a starter bike?
- mds, in similar situation
\_ that would depend on what you decide on, and whether
it's used or new. ninja250's are nice because they're
so damn cheap at ~3k new and a bit less, used . -suzuki
\_ my boss crashed his harley. lost his ankle and about 4 inches
above it.
\_ Is he on King Of The Hill now?
\_ A guy I knew in highschool crashed his car and lost his life.
What's your point?
\_People in the ER call motorcycles "suicide machines." Your
\_ i thought they called them
regional variation: "donor-cycles" _/
chance of surviving a car crash in one piece are higher than
if you are on a motorcycle, assuming all things being equal.
\_ a kawasaki ninja 250cc if you're small; a suzuki gs500e or a
kawi ninja 500cc if you're much bigger than a 5'3" female.
i endorse the safety class as well. good stuff. -suzuki |