12/3 I have a brilliant idea for those who want to celebrate both
hanukah and christamas: get eight christmas trees, and set them
on fire one at a time during the eight days of hanukah.
if only independence day were in december also, then you could
decorate all the trees with M80's.
\_ You'd need 44 trees though, and htat smahus would be a bitch
to use.
\_ Anybody know approximately when "Christmas" became "Holidays"?
Hanukah, Kwanzaa, and god knows what other religion has taken
over christmas. It wasn't always like this. christmas is christmas.
This is a mostly christian country and the Dec 25th is the
designated day celebrating the birth of christ. why can't people
accept it as such and stop trying to turn it into "the holidays"?
-pissed at "the holidays"
\_ Hint: Chirstmas used to be called Saturnalia. It time
of the year has been the "holidays" for a lot longer
that christendom has existed.
\_ It's called the holidays because it includes New Year's.
\_ Because Christianity sucks!
\_ It's a PC thing. I'm a Jew. I call it Christmas. I always
thought calling it "winter holidays" or whatever was BS.
to call it Christmas.
\_ Actually, the church placed christmas on December 25th to
co-opt the various pagan winter festivals held at that time
of year. Get some perspective and a clue. (For one thing,
Hanukah is far older than Christmas). -tom
\_ It's all PC crap. I'm not Christian or Catholic but I still like
to call it Christmas. -- Chinese
\_ On a related note, when did "old" become "used", then
"pre-owned", and then "previously driven"?
\_ Talk to your marketing dept.
\_ BTW, Christ wasn't born on December 25th.
\_ Uh oh, here come the January 8th zealots. As if anyone knows
when some random jew kid to a carpenter and a hooker was born
2000+ years ago, or as if it matters.
\_ Most likely he was born in Aug or Sept not Dec.
\_ It matters because Jesus came to redeem the sins of this
world.
\_ Jesus died for somebody's sins, but not mine
\_ For your sins too.
\_ I took a crap today. For your sins.
\_ Why would the date of birth matter even if he did?
Secondly, how did his death redeem anything? Billions
of people die. Many of those in worse ways than Jebus.
And he didn't even die, he's like God and stuff.
He only came because he finally collected 200000 sins,
and wanted to redeem them for a new clock radio.
\_ He should've held out for a SUV!
\_ Not just any death, for the wages of sin is death.
Redemption is only possible through the death of
one who is righteous and without sin, and who died
as a result of coming to reconcile the world with God.
\_ This assumes that there is such a thing as sin.
\_ Just like there is good and evil, right and wrong,
there is sin. You can associate sin with wrong-doing.
\_ My point was that in the grand scheme of
things none of these concepts really makes
sense. Right and wrong are all concepts that
are based on a particular social arrangement.
Social arrangements come about because they
are mutually beneficial (ie won't kill you
if you won't kill me, helps us both, but in
the grand scheme of things it doesn't really
matter)
\_ I'm glad in don't live in your world where
it's ok to break into your home, club you to
death and rape your gf/wife.
\_ We celebrate Yuletide
\_ I understand Yule what the hell does tide have to do with it?
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