Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2002:August:11 Sunday <Saturday, Monday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2002/8/11-12 [Industry/Startup] UID:25537 Activity:insanely high
8/10    I can't take it, telemarketers keep calling when I get home from work
        or on weekends (I can't (*@#&$( get a good Sat/Sun sleep). What's
        the best way to get rid of them? Does DMA really work? How long will
        it take from the time you filed with the DMA till telemarketers stop
        calling? Is DMA a scam where they actually sell your # to others?
        \_Can't you get one of those devices that kill the call before
        you pick up? Do a web search. Have no idea if they work.
           companies, no banks, no one. It's under my roommate's name so I
           don't get calls that way.
        \_ Probably too late for you but ... when I moved, I never gave my
           phone number to any commercial organization. No credit card
           companies, no banks, no one. They get my work number only (and for
           who knows what reason, telemarketers don't call work numbers?
           maybe it's part of their honor code.) The home phone is under my
           roommate's name so I don't get calls that way. And I've never
           had a telemarketer call (2 years+).
           \_ telemarketers sleep when you're working so that they can call
              you at an inopportune moment at home.
           \_ I get telemarketer calls at work.  This sort of "stealth phone
              number" thing is the same as trying to hide your real email addr.
              from spammers.  We shouldn't have to work so hard to be left
        \_ *Always* tell them "remove my name & number from your call lists"
           and hang up.  You'll slowly get rid of the worst of them.  I had
           some stupid CC company calling 4 or 5 times a day until I finally
           just answered it, waited for a person to get on the other end, told
           her to fuck off and remove my name, she grumped, I hung up, and
           never heard from them again.  They're required to do so by law and
           the fines are huge.
           \_ I've been doing this, and I think it has reduced my phone spam,
              but certainly not eliminated it.  Once when I said "I'd like to
              be taken off your list," the response was "that's too bad,
              isn't it.  <click>"  So you might want to be sure you get the
              company name before you ask, if you want to follow up on
              such things.  -tom
              \_ That's always what happens to me. I ask "who is this?" and they
                 always just say "I'll try back later bye" or something.
                 But this whole "opt-out" idea is such total bullshit. All
                 marketers should be required by law to have proof that you
                 opted-IN to be allowed to market through mail and phone.
                 With all other forms of ads you get something in return for
                 having to see the ads. This is a failure of democracy that
                 EVERYBODY hates spam but we can't get rid of it.
            \_ Yes, this works well: "Please put us on your do not call list."
               but if you really want to ensure compliance, get the name of
               the company and write it down. You can sue for about $1500
               ( I think) if the same company calls back within a year or two.
                \_ Correct, but it's only $500 and doesn't require a lawsuit.
                   Once you request to be put on the do-not-call list, they
                   have 2 weeks for your name to be circulated around their
                   call centers; after that they cannot call you.  If you want
                   to be a bastard about it, you record company name, address
                   (to send them your complaint if they call back) and the
                   caller's name.  If they pull that "sorry, I'll try later"
                   bullshit, you hang up, call the operator and get the
                   calling number, then file a complaint with the police for
                   harassing phone calls.  Simply saying "take me off your
                   list" won't work because they get fresh lists every so often
                   and your name will be back on it.  Sometimes the scummy ones
                   will fuck with you when you say "put me on your do not call
                   list" and say, "you want us to take you off our list?"
                   Those are the rats that I make stay on the line with me and
                   give me their full name, company name, address, and manager's
                   \_ Ok so is there something better than just telling them to
                      remove me from their list?  You talk about calling the
                      police and stuff but how about something permanent?
                      \_ Yes.  You get the name, address, and company of every
                         telemarketer that calls you.  Write it down.  Date it.
                         say, "Put me on your do not call list."  The
                         do-not-call will keep that company from calling
                         you.  It's permanent.  Do this for 2 months, and
                         the rate of calls will drop off.  Remember-- the
                         do-not-call list is something you WANT to be on.
                         Saying "take me off your list" does nothing.
                      \- How about just saying "can you hold on a second?"
                         and just leaving the call off the hook as you go
                         back to whatever you were doing? What do they do
                         then? --psb
        \_ junkbusters has a good site on this:
2002/8/11 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:25538 Activity:moderate
8/10    what is the second most wired country in the world? a
        western european country, like France, or a tech-savvy
        one like Japan? or neither?
        \_ Korea and Finland are very high up there.  -John
        \_ Singapore, maybe?
        \_ i think in order:  US, Japan, Hong Kong.
           \_ I'd say, Japan, Hong Kong, US....
        \_ Wired?  Wired with what?  Phones, cable, dsl, what?  What does
           'most' mean?  Most feet of cable, most people, largest percentage
           of population, what?
                \_ percentage of population, and wired for internet.
        \_ there are charts and maps with this info everywhere... google it.
           Wired Mag for ex, had something a while back.
2002/8/11 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:25539 Activity:low
8/10    I have an disk on /dev/ad0 (freebsd) with two slices--
sysid 6,(Primary 'big' DOS (> 32MB))
    start 63, size 3068352 (1498 Meg), flag 80 (active)
        beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1;
        end: cyl 190/ head 254/ sector 63
The data for partition 2 is:
sysid 5,(Extended DOS)
    start 3068415, size 9510480 (4643 Meg), flag 0
        beg: cyl 191/ head 0/ sector 1;
        end: cyl 782/ head 254/ sector 63
        I can mount /dev/ad0s1 but "mount_msdos /dev/ad0s2 /mnt"
        returns "mount_msdos: /dev/ad0s2: Invalid argument"
        Why is this?
        \_ Have you tried /dev/ad0s5 instead? I believe 1-4 are for primary
           \_ tried that, and it didn't work.  I really think it's in
              partition 2, as sysinstall fdisk reports that.  Disklabel
              only shows a tiny little freebsd slice that I put there to
              see if it's actually being written.
2002/8/11 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:25540 Activity:nil
8/9     YA Windows Exploit:
        \_ yawn.
           and it's more like a VirusScan exploit.
           \_ no. it's a windows exploit.  the virusscan characteristic is
              a variety rather than a species.
              \_ no, it's a virusscan exploit because virusscan is the one
                 providing a gui window as a root process.
                 \_ gee, I'm sure there are no other windows applications that
                    do that.
                    \_ gee, then don't run those if you're concerned about this.
                       \_ Er.  did you read the paper at the url you posted?
                          Hell, there are microsoft applications that do the
                          same damn thing.
2002/8/11-12 [Uncategorized] UID:25541 Activity:very high
8/10    dotcoms fail because they don't have a good business model. I've been
        looking at how timeshares work and I simply can't see a business
        model in it. Suppose you buy a deeded timeshare and you can pass it
        on to your heirs indefinitely. The time share corps get your money at
        first, but in time (50-100 years), wouldn't they lose
        money even if you pay maintenance, which isn't a lot? Is this just
        another from of the pyramid scheme? Isn't it just a matter of time
        before these companies go out of business?
        \_ How do you figure they're losing money?  And timeshares are a
           terrible investment.  Do not put your money in a timeshare.  You're
           better off in the lottery.  At least *some* people make money on the
        \_ wow, you're so smart.  I never would have realized that dotcoms
           have bad business models and that they're going to go out of
           business.  oh, wait, most of them already have.
        \_ you pay a pretty hefty chunk of maintenance on the timeshare,
           they're not going out of business any time soon.  Of course the ones
           who make the real money are the people selling the timeshare.
        \_ That's like saying condo's lose money, it doesn't make any sense.
           Yeah, the builders make all their money up front, then they hand
           over maintenance to the owners, who just recover their costs.
        \_ Some good dotcoms were dragged down by bad ones who sold literally
           toilet paper over the net, etc.
           \_ what's wrong with selling toilet paper over the net?
2002/8/11-12 [Science/Space] UID:25542 Activity:moderate
8/10    Hate junk faxes? Fax your opinion to Lynne Leach, a Walnut Creek
        Republican. Her district-office fax number(925) 988-6922.
        (I guess fax technology is probably too inferior for most sodans)
        \_ speaking of spam.  this is actually funny:
           \_ OMG is that kinney?
              \_ i can't tell if he's bragging or being frustrated.
        \_ do people actually get junk faxes?
           \_ I do... all the time!!! god damn it
Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2002:August:11 Sunday <Saturday, Monday>