Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2002:July:10 Wednesday <Tuesday, Thursday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2002/7/10-11 [Computer/Networking] UID:25318 Activity:very high
7/9     is a special IP address?
        \_ yes.
        \_ it's a reserved net like 10.0.0.x/24.  i'm guessing is
           someone's default router on their net
        \_ it's a class B network address' local network.
        \_ 192.168.x.x are reserved, see RFC 1918. This range of address is
           used in zeroconf networking. See or
  for more
           information. --twohey
           \_ the 192.168/16 private address block is not used for zeroconf,
              which uses 169.254/16 for its link-local addresses. -- jwang
              \_ you are correct. i shouldn't have posted while sleep
                 deprived --twohey
                 \_ Nah, keep doing it. Makes the motd more interesting.
        \_ A lot of people use 192.168.0.x addresses for router addresses
           and other general network related stuff (administrative IPs of
           PVC interfaces, that sort of thing.)  Some older equipment has
           trouble dealing with addresses with all '0's in part of the
           network or subnet bits, though.  -John
2002/7/10-11 [Computer/Networking] UID:25319 Activity:very high
7/9     ETA on finding out what the new IP will be?
        \_ why are they changing soda's address again?
           \_ because we're moving to linux.
              \_ cute.
        \_ first EECS got rid of shared 10mbit ethernet networks and
           consolidated those into 100mbit switched networks.  Now,
           EECS will be moving to a new network topology in conjunction
           with new network equipment.  --jon
           \_ Do you know what vendor they're using?  Cisco?  Foundry?
           \_ Any benefits or just people keeping their jobs?
              \_ they are moving soda to be closer to carnivore -shac
                 \_ yeah like root isn't already running a broken sshd for
                    them right now.  the bastards.
2002/7/10 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:25320 Activity:nil
7/9     Be safe.  Get snipped.
        "She says more than 30 studies have suggested a halving of the risk of
        HIV transmission if the male sexual partner is circumcised. Gayle is
        calling for further studies to investigate whether there is a clear
        cause and effect between the procedure and the risk reduction."
        \_ how about a much simplier solution: have your partner tested!!
           \_ What?  And pretend I'm not in love!!??
2002/7/10-2003/1/22 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/Editors/Vi] UID:25321 Activity:nil 50%like:10000 62%like:22027 57%like:23891
FreeBSD 4.6-RELEASE-p1 (MKVI) #2: Fri Jul  5 18:11:14 PDT 2002

Welcome to Soda Mark VI, an Athlon/700 donated by AMD.
2002/7/10 [Uncategorized] UID:25322 Activity:high
7/10    Here's a real hottie for ya!
        \_ Where?
        \_ One-month internship?  How symbolic.
        \_ Family connection at work.  Who says in America it only matters who
           you are, not who your parents are.
                \_ Not people who know Harvard, that's for sure.
        \_ WOof.  Woof.
2002/7/10-11 [Health/Sleeping, Health/Women] UID:25323 Activity:very high
7/10    more on gene:
        \_ he shouldn've went to grad school
              \_ Is this a contracted contraction of "shouldn't have"?
        \_ the story was on the front page of Yahoo...
        \_ I still think the RIAA did it
           \_ "it" being yermom?
           \_ Drove him to it or had him sniped?
        \_ Ugly stuff, depression. I'm sorry he didn't think he could get
           help from a professional before he died.
           \_ Actually, he did get help from a professional.  The Wired story
              alluded to his getting on Prozac.  You can't get a scrip for
              Prozac (for depression-- it is prescribed for other things)
              without seeing a professional.  Mental health professionals are
              of varying quality, and though they can do good, they can also
              do tremendous harm.  This is especially true when medication is
              involved because we don't really fully understand how Prozac and
              the other modern anti-depressants work.  One of the problems
              with anti-depressants is that they can give someone who would
              otherwise lie in bed all day just enough get up and go to attempt
              suicide. - seen it happen
              \_ And also, the kneejerk prescription of Prozac or Wellbutrin
                 and the insistence of excessively long stretches (2-3 months
                 feels terrible don't help either.  There are some psychiatrists
                 out there who need to be smacked.
                 instead of say 6 weeks) to "test it out" even if the person
                 feels terrible don't help either.  There are some
                 psychiatrists out there who need to be smacked.
                 \_ Although I agree with you that Prozac and Zyban are
                    over-prescribed, I'd disagree that 2-3 months is an
                    unreasonable time frame to test the medications out.  It
                    takes most individuals approximately 1 month to acclimate
                    to SSRIs.  Effects vary wildly in that first month, and
                    two weeks really is much too brief a time frame to
                    evaluate whether the medication is having a net positive
                    effect.  One problem that is quite common is that SSRIs
                    are incredibly dose sensitive and vary widely in effect
                    between different people's brain chemistry.  As a result,
                    many psychiatrists play a dangerous game with each
                    patient when trying to evaluate what works best for that
                    particular individual.  I have friends who are now quite
                    stable and happy largely due to meds, but, for many of
                    them, the period where they were trying to figure out
                    which medication and what dosage was one of their most
                    trying periods.
                    \_ Indeed.  Note I said 6 weeks (not 2).  I have a close
                       friend who had a seizure on wellbutrin (I know it was
                       a seizure.  I was there.)  And her doctor REFUSED to
                       believe that she had one.  She very quickly found a
                       new doctor who tried a couple other meds and found
                       to treat patients with respect.  If you feel like there's
                       an aspiring deity posing as a doctor, get a second
        \_ I can't belive all this bullshit on prescription drugs!  You guys
           actually buy this bullshit?  You want to get out of depression?
           Try cooking your own food from fresh ingredients every day instead
           of eating restaurant crap or processed crap.  Cut back on meat
           intake and exercise at least 30 minutes a day. for thousands of
           years human being thrived without allergy medications or anti
           depressants.  What makes you people so special that you need
           these chemicals that just control the symptons?
                \_ hello Tawei. What about high quality vitamin C?
           \_ stfu
                       that Zoloft worked wonderfully.  All I wanted to say
                       was that there are many doctors out there who feel like
                       playing god, and there are many doctors who know how
                       to treat patients with respect.  If you feel like
                       there's an aspiring deity posing as a doctor, get a
                       second opinion.
2002/7/10-11 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Recreation/Sports] UID:25324 Activity:very high
7/10    I forgot to mention it yesterday, but Rod Steiger is THE most
        connected actor in Hollywood history, in terms of the Kevin
        Bacon Game.  That is to say, if you play the Rod Steiger game
        instead, the average path length is shorter than for any other game,
        like the Groucho Marx game or the Adam Sandler game. - cody
        \_ is that like an erdos number?
        \_ "was", not "is".  He's dead, Jim.
           \_ Ted Williams is still the last person to hit .400, even though
              Ted Williams no longer "is."  -tom
                \_ Well, he also 'was' the last person to do so.  Om.  -John
              \_ Well, it all depends on what the meaning of "is" is.
                 \_ *laugh*  And we have a winner!
              \_ Ted Williams is at 77K.
              \_ But, wouldn't say "g. washington IS the first pres",
                 you'd say "g. washington was the first US pres." right?
                \_ maybe.. the fact of this presidency being first does not
                        change with time so perhaps "is" is acceptable?
                   \_ no, we always refer to dead people in past tense even if
                      their accomplishments are current such as first pres. or
                      fastest runner or most records sold, whatever, etc. it is
                      the living/dead status of the person that is being
                      tensed, not their accomplishment.
                      \_ It depends on the sentence and the context.  -tom
                         \_ no, it doesn't.  you may have heard that english
                            grammar has a lack of rules.  this is false.
                            the rules are specified by a secret, anonymous
                            body of CSUA members who let the rules be known
                            by motd posts.  these rules may never be broken.
                            \_ We are the MOTD Grammarian Star Chamber Police.
                               We took English in HS and remember most of it,
                               so we aren't taking any crap about "it depends"
                               from those who don't remember and want to make
                               it all up.  --MGSCP
                               \_ well, MGSCP, surely you'll understand that
                                  the sentence "Ted Williams *was* the last
                                  player to hit .400" is ambiguous.  It
                                  implies that someone else has hit .400
                                  since then and is now the
                                  record-holder.  Babe Ruth *was* the
                                  single-season record-holder for home runs.
                                  Babe Ruth *is* the single-season
                                  record-holder for walks.   -tom
                                  \_ We'll drop by with black masks later to
                                     explain the difference to you.  --MGSCP
                                     \_ Three demerits!! Tom is the founding
                                        member of the MGSCP.
                                        \_ Speaking of demerits, anybody
                                           remember that old arcade game
                                           where you drive around and get
                                           penalized demerits? I can't
                                           remember anything else about it
                                           because it was like 15-20 years
                                           ago and I'm getting old and slow.
2002/7/10-11 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/HW/Display] UID:25325 Activity:insanely high
7/10    Buying an LCD monitor but wants to know more about them. Where's a
        site to learn about TFT, active matrix, lumen, contrast, etc? Thanks
        \_ just came out with comparison reviews of 17" LCDs.
           Search their archives for reviews of 15" LCDs.
        \_ Is it no longer permissible to refer to one's self with the pronoun
           and be verb combination "I am" at the beginning of a sentence? Also,
           I wonder if the rules for singular and plural references have
           changed as well.  obE190.
           \_ They are redundant, and hence not permissible.  !poster
              \_ They're for clarity.  Who says OP was buying for themself?
                 \_ Which rule for singular or plural does "themself" come
                    \_ None.  There is no such word.
                 \_ So how did you know it's for "one's self"?
           \_ what's "ob", as in obE190?
                \_ obligatorily stupid
              \_ obstetrics
              \_ dict ob
                \_ clearly this must be a reference to the russian river...
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