Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2002:May:02 Thursday <Wednesday, Friday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2002/5/2-3 [Uncategorized] UID:24673 Activity:nil
5/01    Is there any free partition_repair/data_recovery software (for fat32)
        that actually works?  I got a "shareware" download which claims to have
        made a backup image but it wants me to buy the "commercial" version in
        order to restore from it! -crebbs
        \_ I've never tried it, but i hear that Drive Rescue is pretty good.
        \_ PowerQuest (the folks who make PartitionMagic) probably has a
           tool for this. -dans
2002/5/2 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24674 Activity:nil
5/1     ucla ee guy, where are you going for grad school? Why do you want
        to go to usc for your MS? Their tuition is outrageous (and MS don't
        usually get funding unless you know the people really well).
        \_ I'm confused.  ucla ee guy isn't going to ucla for grad school?
           \_ I"m going to NYC to work, but heretofore declare myself
              Harvard CS guy, just for fun.             - Harvard CS guy
2002/5/2 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:24675 Activity:nil
5/1     forget may day.  today must be troll day. happy troll day!
        \_ That's everyday.
2002/5/2-3 [Uncategorized] UID:24676 Activity:kinda low
5/1     Looking for basic erasure-correction algorithms  -newbie
        \_ Wouldn't you prefer The Cure?  Maybe Depeche Mode?
                \_ Or New Order, Nitzer Ebb, Siouxsie, Bauhaus,
                   Front 242, or PIL perhaps?
        \_ crc, checksum, google
2002/5/2-3 [Science/Space] UID:24677 Activity:high
5/1     Ok, all that stuff about Israel, Iraq, the WTC, global warming and
        Jesse Jackson's most recent 'love child' is nothing when you
        consider what's coming in May/June of 2003.  Start preparing now.  I
        know I'll try to be as ready as possible when this comes by.
        \_ Danh, I thought it was about Cindy Crawford.
           \_ What's danh got to do with this?
        \_ Damn, I thought it was about Cindy Crawford.
           \_ cool, thanks
        \_ OH. MY. GOD. I just wasted 5 minutes reading this trash. Why
           didn't the motd censorer censor this shit?
           \_ He/she must have found it too funny to censor.
2002/5/2-3 [Computer/Networking] UID:24678 Activity:moderate
5/2     What's the best broadband service for under $100/month in Santa
        Clara?  Thanks!
        \_ single/mult IP? static/dynamic?  give us some boundaries, man...
           \_ single static IP.
        \_ DirectTV is $50/mo and gives you a static IP. I have been
           happy with them in Redwood City and SF. -ausman
           \_ What's the upstream rate?
              \_ Don't know if they throttle it.  when i ordered, the website
                 didn't explicitly say (or, at least, i didn't notice).
                 Haven't installed yet.  will let you know.  --scotsman
              \_ Usually it's the same as the PacBell consumer ADSL service
                 in the same area. In my case, it's 128Kbps, in Berkeley.
        \_ Alternatively, if you really want to spend all $100 per month
           you might be able to find even more attactive DSL packages
           (from speakeasy for example) with faster upload rates, SDSL options,
           multiple IP addresses, etc.
2002/5/2-3 [Uncategorized] UID:24679 Activity:nil
5/2     Sixth Grader Makes Death Threat with craigslist:
        \_ what does this have to do with craigslist?
           \_ it said crayola, but someone changed it to craigslist
2002/5/2-3 [Consumer/TV, Recreation/Media] UID:24680 Activity:nil
5/2     In Bay Area, How does Dish Network compare to DirectTV and AT&T Digital
        Cable?  What local channels do they carry?  Thanks.
        \_ For directv enter your zipcode on the form on this page:
2002/5/2-5 [Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs, Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:24681 Activity:nil
5/2     What's an appropriate Emacs mode for Java properties files?
2002/5/2-5 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:24682 Activity:high
5/2     Cool.  Fake Palestinian funeral caught on tape in attempt to dupe the
        \_ it's HOLLYWOOD!!! The US Govnt contracts HOLLYWOOD and their fancy
           computer graphics. It's all conspiracy!!! Go Bin Laden.
        \_ Faking a funeral, how low can you get. That is way worse that
           slaughtering unarmed innocents.
           \_ Human Rights Watch (a group that has condemned israel on many
              issues) did an investigation and said that there is NO EVIDENCE
              FOR A MASACRE IN JENIN.  They report about 56 palestinians dead.
              Israel reported 54 a couple of days ago (45 gunmen and 7 tragic
              civilians [which perez was sorry about]).  Israel didn't want
              the UN because of their Eurocentric ideas and problems in the
              past with these UN groups making mistakes against Israel that
              they later had to retract (i.e. Lebanese fighters using UN
              uniforms to abduct Israeli soldiers -- all denied by the UN
              which later corrected itself do to videotape that they themselves
              \_ Who said anything about Jenin? Both sides kill civilians
                 all the time, this is a much bigger problem than some
                 fake funeral. Try to keep your sense of perspective.
        \_ They also caught them pulling bodies out of a cemetary and putting
           them in the rubble.  How can you believe anything these people tell
           you?  It's like purgery in our courts, it denies you the ability
           to be trusted in the future!
        \_ How come this is not reported by media in US which is pro-Isarel?
           \_ It was on FOX NEWS!  Watch the real news, not that CNN biased
              \_ It's on now too.
                 \_ Don't listen to Communist News Network. It is controlled
                    by the wealthy Palestinian World Government.
              \_ I see.  I missed that.
           \_ Where'd you get the idea US news is pro-Israel?  More like it
              isn't too far (Euro-style) into anti-Israel bias.
              \_ a troll at the end of a tired-out thread is not as likely
                 to be functional as a troll.  you've got to hit it
                 earlier.  no one even reads this far down in the
                 \_ Dumbshit just because you're blind to it doesn't make it
                    a troll.  Troll: most over used word by those with no
                    other points to make, usually used by the blindly
                    agenda driven.
2002/5/2-5 [Uncategorized] UID:24683 Activity:moderate
5/2     Spread Widely
        Hate Speech vs. Free Speech
        When: 4-6pm Friday May 3rd
        Where: 140 Boalt Hall
        Issues that will be covered:
        *The differences between Hate Speech and Free Speech
        *The role of the University in maintaining Free Speech
        *Current Publications and Suspensions
        Maya Solo and Luis Garcia From the Department of Education, Civil
        Rights divison will be giving an interactive teach in, Please support!
        \_ Free Speech: Bush is a motherfucker Nazi and I'm going to burn a
           flag on his white ass!
           Hate Speech: I'm not voting for Al Gore in '04.
           Hate Speech: I'm against affirmative action because it lets
           undeserving minorities get gov't contracts.
           Hate Speech: I'm thinking about not voting for Gore in '04.
           [dont edit my post you genetic reject, add your own if you want]
            \_ sign your name twit, and i'll respect the sanctity of your post.
               otherwize i'll improve it as i see fit, and you will like it.
        \_ so is there a URL for this Re^H^Heducational "teach-in" or is it
           too embarrassing to post?  Also, a "teach-in" is used to designate
           a type of protest.  Is this a protest?  If so, don't you think
           that WHAT you are protesting is pertinent?  If it's not, someone
           needs pay more attention to how the language is used.
           \_ We're protesting against hate speech.  Anyone who says anything
              we don't like needs to be put down.
              \_ Yeah, sock it to the leftist oppressors with your biting wit.
        \_ So?  Did anyone go to this thing?  Was it as good as it sounds?
           Did the party bosses explain what it is o.k. to say and what it
           isn't? Enquiring minds want to know.
                \_ They told us we couldn't talk about it.
2002/5/2-3 [Reference/Religion] UID:24684 Activity:very high
5/2     Don't forget to pray:
        \_ I like the stuff about "In the year of our Lord." I like that
           inclusive part of Our Christian Nation. I think I'll burn a
           cross today.
           \_ i'll just pray for the democrats to come up with a real
              candidate for 2004 so we can get this neandrathal motherfucker
                                                    \_ It's telling that you
                                                       can't spell this, but
                                                       can spell motherfucker.
              out of office.
              \_ How about a candidate (anyone, dem or rep) that will stand
                 up and say NO to foreign aid.  FUCK the foreign aid to
                 Israel and Egypt.  FUCK THEM ALL!  They want to kill
                 themselves, go ahead.  the US doesn't owe them jack shit.
                 \_ Ah, to be blissfully ignorant of international
                 \_ Just be prepared for the occasional 767 flying into a
                    densely occupied and important skyscraper.
              \_ Sorry, I'm still burning a cross. Maybe a flag too. I'm
                 out to offend people right now.
                        \_  The teaching of Christ and the Bible are evil,
                            what a HORRIBLE foundation for modern
                            society.  A much better mantra: do what feels
                            good and assume no personal responsibility.
                            \_ Yeah..  it's too bad christians, to a person,
                               continuously miss the point of the teachings
                               of christ, making hedonism seem a valid
                                \_ Exactly, thats why you should let other
                                   dictate how you think and act, especially
                                   the press, Europe, and the U.N.
                                   \_ Wow.  You completely missed _my_ point
                                      as well.
                                      \_ If someone doesn't "get" your point
                                         you must consider that maybe it's
                                         your fault for lacking clarity and not
                                         entirely the reader's fault.  Your
                                         followup sure didn't clarify anything.
                                         \_ Not that this needs to be stated,
                                            but... you're an idiot.
                 \_ if you really
                    are serious about offending people
        \_ What happened to separation of church and state?
           \_ Nothing in particular.  They still have an opening prayer in
              Congress.  What's up with all you stupid ignorant fucks who
              think this country has always had some magical line between
              religion and government thicked than your skulls?  It's a myth,
              a fantasy, a delusion created by liars, the ignorant and the
              psychotic.  You don't even know what the principle of separation
              is about.  It has zippo to do with Bush talking about God.
              \_ It's in the 1st Amendment.  Nat'l Prayer is establishing
                 \_ Oh nonsense.  The President talking about God in some
                    random speech is not the instituting of National Prayer or
                    a National Religion.  Take it to alt.conspiracy.  And oh
                    yeah, here's the FULL TEXT of the 1st amendment:
                    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
                    religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
                    abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the
                    right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition
                    the government for a redress of grievances."  Ignorant
                    fucking hippies....
              \_ there has been a slow erosion since WWII.  The "under god"
                 portion of the Pledge of Allegiance is new too (1954).
                    \_ So is "In God We Trust". The original motto was
                       "E Pluribus Unum", but that was changed in the 50s.
                 \_ Slow erosion of what?  You're nuts.  Here's a quote from
                    the God Damned Declaration of Indepence.  It's the very
                    first line, btw: "When in the Course of human events, it
                    becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political
                    bands which have connected them with another, and to
                    assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and
                    equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's
                    God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of
                    mankind requires that they should declare the causes which
                    impel them to the separation."  Hey did you catch how those
                    old dead white dudes snuck in that evil stuff about G-d???
                    Really scary stuff!  Wowzerz!  Who knew?  And oh my G-D!!!
                    There's another mention of the Creator(!!!) in the very
                    next line!!!  I need a new country and I need it now!
                    \_ hey moron, the Decleration of Independence has NOTHING
                       to do with our government.  Nada.
                       \_ Yeah it was only written by most of the same folks
                          (dead rich white wasp men) who wrote the constitution
                          and bill of rights.  Yeah, nothing, uh huh.
                                \_ The Declaration of Independence has no i
             other people shove their religion down my throat.
                                   laws in it.  The government is made of
                                   laws.  Think of the DoI as sort of a
                                   "mission statement."  And take a intro
                                   to law class, please.  You rube.
                    \_ The founding fathers concept of "Nature's God" was
                       completely different from the post WWII Christian
                       God that has steadily been working its way into our
                       government. The founders were also very keen on keeping
                       the Christian God out of our gov (there isn't a single
                       mention of god in the constitution) and they would have
                       not have been happy with the current state of events.
                        \_ You could not be more incorrect.  On what *facts*
                           do you base this assertion, or is it your
                           'opinion'.  Everything you wanted to know
                           about the intent of the original founders
                           is in the Federalist Papers and other
                           writings.  You can try to
                           twist history to your liberal secular
                           agenda on the MOTD, but their own statements
                           reveal you to be a farce.  All you have
                           to do is READ the First Amendment.  But's lets
                           be honest, activist judges have vastly
                           accelerated the trashing of the Constitution
                           since FDR, so its a moot point anyways.
                              \_ Have you read the constitution? Not one
                                 mention of god. Not even in the oath of
                                 office. The only mention of religion is
             other people shoving their religion down my throat.
                                 that no religious test would be required
                                 for someone taking public office.
                                 If you read the arguments put forth by
                                 the opponents of the constitution, you
                                 will find that chief among them was that
                                 the framers had abandoned "christianity"
                                 and had written the constitution so that
                                 anyone could hold public office. The
                                 constitution was written in a secular
                                 fashion for many reasons, some of which
                                 had to do with the deist believes of the
                                 framers. I'm sure you want some links so
                                 here you are:
                              \_ please please PLEASE learn something about
                                 Colonial and English history.  The whole
                                 point of seperating church and state, and
                                 distancing the christian god from the govern-
                                 ment, is that in England, the King was the
                                 head of the church.  Look at the publishing
                                 date of the Federalist Papers.  There are
                                 "facts" that back this up.
                           \_ http://
                                \_ These links have ZERO to do with the
                                   intention of the founding fathers "The
                                   U.S. National Mottos" -  what
                                   is your point?  Either way socialist
                                   secular sympathisers have effectively
                                   won.  However, when you are finally
                                   able to get rid of the guns, and facism,
                                   or shall we call victory of the
                                   proletariat, finally comes to the free
                                   world, you or your children have no
                                   right to complain.  Religious
                                   fanatisism does not exist in the west, all
                                   totalirian regimes have been strictly
                                   atheist and secular.
                                   \_ Wow.  Not to confuse this argument with
                                      facts, but... you're an idiot.
                                      \_ Why do people bother posting drivel
                                         like this?  You're really not dragging
                                         the poster down at all.  Actually when
                                         I see a long post written in decent
                                         English followed by a quickie smear,
                                         it only adds to the belief that they
                                         may be right since you can't come up
                                         anything better.
                                         \_ I agree. When someone as kooky
                                            as our religion loving nutcase
                                            posts a drooling rant, it is
                                            better to let it stand on its
                                            own "merits." You can't argue
                                            with someone whose belief is
                                            based on faith, not reason.
                                            \_ A bit more subtle but still just
                                               a personal attack.  Nice try.
                                               How about you take a shot at
                                               responding to his last point
                                               about religious extremism in the
                                               West vs. other parts of the
                                               world.  Then maybe you won't
                                               look so intellectually weak.
                                               \_ I have better things to do
                                                  than try and teach you
                                                  history. Look up Reformation
                                                  and Counter-Reformation in
                                                  any good reference to start.
                                               \_ Not to mention the timothy
                                                  mcveighs and abortion bombers
                                                  and KKK members of the world.
                                                  Get a fucking clue.
                                   \_ Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
                                      \_ I did.  Nothing new about persecution
                                         of religious minorities even then.
        \_ Nice to see them working on pragmatic solutions.
        \_ Like it or not, the civilization you live in today
           is the product of 2000 years of Christianity.  Exactly
           what is so offensive about spirituality?
           \_ I have nothing against spirituality.  I have everything against
              other people shoving their religion down my throat. [formatd]
                \_ What other people would that be?
                   \_ The president of the United States.
                      \_ And he's forcing you to commit Christian acts of
                         kindness how exactly?  I don't recall hearing news of
                         the "Twice A Year Mandatory Christianity" bill getting
                         a lot of support in Congress.  You sound like one of
                         those whining atheism-as-religion fanatics that make
                         us real atheist look like hypocritical crackpots.  You
                         do real atheists a disservice with your noise.
                         \_ By virtue of holding a powerful position, the
                            urging of prayer by an elected leader can make
                            those uncomfortable with prayer feel uncomfortable
                            in their civic position.  This is the drive behind
                            the separation of church and state, and the quaker
                            movement in general.  Oh, also: atheism, while not
                            a religion, is, by naature, a religious choice.
                            The general intolorance to that choice is what the
                            previous poster is concerned with.
2002/5/2-3 [Uncategorized] UID:24685 Activity:nil
5/2     I know three dots in a pyramid means "therefore". What does the
        upside-down version of that symbol mean?
        \_ "because"  -- yuen
           \_ yea, because because is the opposite of therefore, therefore
              the symbol is opposite.
2002/5/2-10 [Uncategorized] UID:24686 Activity:nil
05/02   GM scheduled for 05/09 in 337 at 6:30; we intend to amend the
        constitution at the meeting.
2019/01/20 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
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