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| 2002/4/29 [Recreation/Media] UID:24622 Activity:nil |
4/28 Do people go to the movies alone?
\_ I do.
\_ sad. wait for it come on video
\_ i think video is much more social than seeing a
movie in the theater. if you sit silently in a theater
for two hours with no breaks, you're just watching a movie.
if you hang out in an apartment with a bunch of friends
watching videos, it's social. i think it makes more sense
to go to movies alone, but have people over to watch videos.
watching a movie as a couple alone in an apartment
also has definite advantages over the theater besides cost. |
| 2002/4/29 [Uncategorized] UID:24623 Activity:nil |
4/28 Canadian apoligsts on the march.
http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/goldstein_apr28.html |
| 2002/4/29 [Uncategorized] UID:24624 Activity:nil |
4/28 BDG, was this you? http://www.duke.edu/~kwmac/marcel.htm |
| 2002/4/29 [Uncategorized] UID:24625 Activity:nil |
4/28 Zero content meaningless message purged. |
| 2002/4/29 [Academia/GradSchool] UID:24626 Activity:high |
4/29 csua members Lea Kissner, Paul Twohey, and Alex Fabrikant will get
awards at the 2002 CS Awards ceremony. 4pm, 306 Soda Hall, May 7.
(sorry if I missed anyone)
\_ For?
\_ Schmoozing well?
\_ Pretty much. <shrug> -alexf
\_ I see some things never change. -alum
\_ even with the kissup, Lea still can't make it to Berkeley's grad
school. What does that say about the quality of Berkeley undergrad
these days?
\_ I thought it had more to do with everyone and their cousin
applying for grad school this year.
applying for grad school this year. -geordan
\_ insufficient ass kissing.
\_ shut up, Lea.
\_ Fine. Make me sign my posts consistently. -geordan
\_ Uh, dude, Lea >> most of the grad students I've met at Berkeley,
and if you don't believe anon-hozers on the motd, ask David
Wagner. - !lea, !geordan
\_ If Lea >> most Cal grad students and Lea != get into Cal
then either a) you're wrong about Lea, b) you're wrong about
the grad students you met (similar to a for our purposes)
or c) there's another criteria you're not considering for
getting into Cal's grad program. Your call.
\_ Uh, that would be c). Other criteria being a) Most Cal
grad students I've met were admitted under much less
competitive conditions. Namely, most current Cal grad
students admitted under "Please come to grad school
instead of running off to start a dot com!" climate as
opposed to current "Please let me into grad school
instead of making me face the cold hard financial
realities of the post bubble job market!" and b) Lea
doesn't suck up. She's just smart. I could see how
this would work against someone in the Cal admissions
process. I can go on if you like, but I think I've
made my point clear.
P.S. Hi Ilyas! |
| 2002/4/29 [Computer/HW] UID:24627 Activity:nil |
4/28 The future of Desktop Computing:
http://msbetas.net/longhorn/files/longhorn.zip
\_ The future of Desktop Computing is on my dick! -tjb |
| 2002/4/29 [Uncategorized] UID:24628 Activity:nil |
4/28 Barbie Creator Dies:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1956000/1956180.stm
http://www.chillibomb.com/barbie/index.htm (some rejected barbies)
\_ #9
\_ The lactating one has just the shape as the original Barbie. |
| 2002/4/29 [Health/Sleeping, Computer/Rants] UID:24629 Activity:nil |
4/28 http://www.cybcon.com/~weitzeo \_ can't sleep. clown will eat me. can't sleep. clown will eat me. |
| 2002/4/29 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:24630 Activity:kinda low |
4/28 Yugoslav massacre, Israeli massacre.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27423
\_ Umm, yeah. Poor Sharon, just like Milosevic. Vicims of
an obvious European plot to frame them for genocide.
\_ Maybe you didn't notice but Milosevic was doing quite well
defending himself in court, eh? And on what do you base this
oddly trusting warm fuzzy feeling about the Europeans? Are you
trying to claim the stuff in this article is untrue?
\_ Why no mention of Victor Drazen in this article? |
| 2002/4/29 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:24631 Activity:insanely high |
4/28 This is not a troll, I'm just curious. If Germany still has a pretty
strong Nazi presence (esp from E Germany where unemployment is high
and education is low), how come Japan doesn't seem to have their
Imperialistic equivalence?
\_ HELLO!!!! What the hell are you thinking? There is a much
stronger imperialistic presence in Japan than those of Germany.
Instead of being executed like their German counter part, those who
commit crime against humanities are being WORSHIPPED by many
the top leaders in Japan. Prime Minister of Japan just visited
the Shrine dedicated to those "war heros" of WW2. Even today,
Japanese Text book does not admit that whatever they did was
"aggression."
The relationship between Imperial Japan and American is a lot more
closer than you think. Prior to Pearl Harbor, it's AMERICAN who
supplies scrap iron, petroleums and other war material to Japan
while Japanese Imperial Army was ravaging throughout the Northen/
North Eastern China. After Japanese Surroundered, American decided
to leverage Japan to counter the raise of Communist power in China.
By doing so, American pratically forgave Japan and its crime against
China and the rest of the Asia. This policy is enforced until this
day. Consider Japan never even admit that they were at fault at
first place, consider that Japan has killed more than 20 million
Chinese during the war, which they shows no remorse nor slight
hint of apologistic attitude toward it. This would only fuel the
ultra-nationalist sentiment in the mainland China itself.
American, whose policy has been closely aligned with Japan both
before and after WW2, who has been extremely lenient toward the
crime which Japan committed, is being logically viewed as the
imperialist corporate today. -kngharv
\_ so where are the pro-Japanese pro-Imperial dominance
and pro-expansionist/pro-war protests?
\_ They happened on a fairly regular basis while I was
there and were reported in the news. We just
don't hear about it here. Awhile ago, a far right
group assassinated the mayor of Nagasaki for being too
critical of Japan's past conduct, among other things.
-- ulysses
\_ You can also read Chinese, Hong Kong, Taiwan or Korean
news media if you want to keep up with these. They
pay much more attention to Imperial-Japanese-related
events than the US media does.
\_ The Japanese are our friends. They like golf. We
like golf. The Japanese are our friends. I'll bet
Bin Laden doesn't play golf.
\_ Hey what'd you expect? After a good bit of moral blindness as
seen below on this thread, suddenly the US has something to
apologise for and Japan is all victims. Weird. Go figure. Cal.
\_ Ever see all the war memorials dedicated to their veterans? Ever
see them apologize? War veterans who got away passed into ranks of
politicians. They'll never apologize for Bataan, just as much as
the U.S. will never apologize for Hiroshima. [motd formatd]
\_ The US has nothing to apologize for. The Japanese do.
\_ you're an idiot.
\_ Uh yeah you sure showed me! When did they start letting
third graders into Cal? Get off your dad's computer.
\_ it was a fucking nuclear bomb you idiot. your post
didn't warrant an explanation.
\_ Yes, it was a very high yield radiation bomb. And?
So what? Maybe you'd prefer the higher death tolls
on *both* sides from a conventional invasion? Yes,
it does warrant a real reply. You're
intellectually weak. "It was a nuclear bomb" is
not an answer to anything. I await your ignorant
reply, although I honestly expect you'll either
censor the whole thing or just insult me again. I
again say the US has *nothing* to be sorry for and
Japan has *much* to be sorry for and has yet to come
to grips with the crimes they committed in the 30s
and 40s.
\_ Hiroshima and Nagasaki were civilian targets.
1/4M civilians were killed in violation of the
Geneva convention. This is something we should
regret, even if Japan as a country deserved it.
Would you nuke Baghdad to teach Hussein a
lesson? -!OP
\_ Imperial Japan was going to use 'civilians'
in the defense of the islands from US
invasion. Due to excessive propaganda, this
was mostly voluntary. There were no civilians
on the islands at the time.
\_ even if this is true, which i'm not
entirely convinced of, how can you
rationalize the second bomb?
\_ They hadn't surrendered yet. The
situation hadn't changed.
\_ This wasn't about 'teaching them a lesson'.
You're again being intellectually dishonest.
It was about ending the war asap with as few
deaths on both sides as possible and you know
it. You're now veering into troll territory.
And no I don't favor nuking Baghdad at this
time but if doing so would save more lives
than not doing so I would be in favor.
\_ *I'm* veering into troll territory?
Japan was already trying to surrender
\_ Please explain how one 'tries' to
surrender and provide URL.
\_ By negotiating via a third party.
http://www.lehman.cuny.edu/litstudies/programs/MotionWeb/webassign/gar.html
\_ I read this, and although
it suggests that the japanese
were considering surrender, I
did not see conclusive evidence
that they had started negotiating.
Try Again.
\_ I just got done reading the whole
thing also. I also didn't see
where it says anything like you
claim it does. Ya know, when you
post a URL you better make sure it
says what you think it says. Some
of us actually read entire URLs.
when we nuked them. If we were really
trying to save civilian lives, we would
have accepted their terms. It is pretty
\_ You mean the terms where we just go
away and they get to keep their evil
slave ridden raping imperial empire?
The one soaking in the blood of innocent
Chinese? Even the Nazis in Nanking
were shocked by what the Japanese did.
\_ Any URL on "the Nazis in Nanking were
shocked ..." part? Thanks. --- yuen
\_ History Channel. The Nazis were
running a medical facility/camp in
one part of the city. The Nazi Dr
running the place wrote in his
personal diaries and letters home
how sickening it was and also
took action to keep the Japanese
from entering his 'sanctuary'. I
could find the name with some
research if this isn't enough for
you.
clear we were positioning ourselves for
post-WWII (cold war) advantage, as well
as ensuring that the Emperor would never
\_ Of course we didn't want the Emperor
in place, duh. What's wrong with that?
You make it sound like the Emperor was
a good thing in some bizarre way.
rise to power again. In hindsight, they
were probably both good reasons, but it
was by no means clear at the time.
\_ It was quite clear at the time. Read
a history book published outside Japan.
Nonetheless, the massacre of hundreds of
thousand of innocents should be dismissed
so lightly.
\_ It wasn't a massacre. It was the
strategic killing of hundreds of
thousands (I'll grant those who died
later from radiation, etc). I don't
dismiss it lightly. I don't dismiss it
all. It was a very tough call and we
did the right thing and have nothing
to be sorry about morally. The Japanese
have lots to be sorry about morally and
have yet to own up to 99% of it. Please
don't put words in my mouth. I take
the death of hundreds of thousands very
very seriously which is why I don't
make the trivial "nuke = bad" equation.
The dead don't care how they died. BTW,
are you aware of the fire bombing we did
in Germany? We targetted civilian areas
under the principle that civilians are
a strategic resource bc they're the ones
who build the hardware and supply the
food, clothing, fuel, etc, that keeps
the military running. Do you feel the
same about the 'depopulation' bombing
we did as the two nukes in Japan?
Not to mention, the Dresden bombing killed around _/
200,000 people which is more than twice the number
of dead from Hiroshima. But since it wasn't nuclear
weapons no one cares.
\_ Japanese aggression passed into the economic sector.
Unfortunately, it was just as unsuccessful there. Witness the
current state of their economy.
\_ Suckers got cleaned out on the golf course thing.
\_ They do.
\_ Russia recently seems to have a strong neo-Nazi presence in form of
"skinheads" in the large cities. Who'd think that would ever
happen?
\_ One of the few good things the communists did was suppress all
forms of blatant racism although they did keep track of ethnic
demographics. Officially they had 15 groups.
\_ Except state-sponsored racism, of course. Ever tried to get
admitted to a good Soviet university as a Jew?
\_ Well yeah sure they still mistreated Jews but Jews run
the world and oppress everyone they encounter so there's
no such thing as racism against Jews. They're just trying
to restore balance betwee the Jews and those they oppress,
so it's ok.
\_ Sort of like how African Americans can't be racist
because they're an historically oppressed minority?
\_ The Communists also broke the back of religion in
Russia and replaced it with rationalism, which is
no small feat.
\_ Not really. Orthodox Christianity is making a comeback
in a major way in Russia. You can't force people into
progress against their wills.
\_ And the Catholic Church is making a big move into
Orthodox territory too. As far as progess goes, I
don't consider all religion bad or all atheism good.
I'm an atheiest but I do understand how religion and
belief in a higher power can help an otherwise broken
people get through one more day without resorting to
the bottle or other killers. There's a good reason
for the insanely high alcohol related death rates in
Russia/Former Soviet States.
\_ is religion good for anything else?
\_ IMO, not really. I don't believe it should be
used to keep people down but people who are
already down are often better off with it than
without it. --atheist
\_ I read a few months ago that the Cathonic the
Orthodox Churches were in talks towards
re-unification. |
| 2002/4/29 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:24632 Activity:kinda low |
4/28 What do people use for getting cheap tickets online? I just tried
http://travelocity.com, http://cheaptickets.com, http://priceline.com, http://hotwire.com and they
all sucked.
\_ hotwire if you're flexible, orbitz if you're not. Also, a friend
just got a good deal directly with JetBlue. - rory
\_ not much destinations.
\_ unfortunately, a lot has to do with timing (ie, getting 'em
early). i once bought tix to hawaii that doubled in price only
two days later.
\_ Used travelocity and got great prices on everything. 5 weeks in
advance. Short term prices are *always* really high no matter how
you look for them. The sites don't suck, you planned poorly.
\_ Ebay. Search for Southwest Rapid Rewards, unless you're flying
elsewhere. |
| 2002/4/29 [Academia/Berkeley/Classes, Reference/Military] UID:24633 Activity:high |
4/29 Cloning isn't safe: http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,4218077%255E13762,00.html \_ Most new technologies and especially medical procedures aren't safe when first developed. You ever been in a plane? How about the Wright's plane? Thought so. \_ They've already created cloned mice that are four times normal size. I wonder if they would accidentally created a monster mouse that grows to the size of a dinosaur. \_ Yeah they'll just keep feeding it until it's 3 stories high and not notice and then it'll eat Tokyo or New York. \_ that'd be COOL! \_ I hope it's Tokyo. They can rebuild that city so fast. They've got it down to an art, what with all the godzilla attacks and whatnot. |
| 2002/4/29 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:24634 Activity:high |
4/29 4th Amendment RIP:
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=3936063&BRD=982&PAG=461&dept_id=467992&rfi=6
\_ It's only Michigan. How many can find Michigan on a map?
\_ It's only Poland. How many can find Poland on a map?
- N. Chamberlain
\_ Peace with honor! Look ma! We got a piece of paper!
\_ "An officer executing a search is not required to give a copy of the
affidavit to the person or leave a copy at the place from which the
property was taken" - so the cops can take your stuff and not tell
you that they did?
\_ yes.
\_ Yeah this is obviously about giving cops the power to burglar
your cd collection under the cloak of the law. Duh. Not. |
| 2002/4/29-30 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:24635 Activity:kinda low |
4/29 Gamble: Davis bets the state budget on his re-election
"This time, they say, the budget hole will probably
fall in the $20 billion to $22 billion range...
The final damage is hard to estimate because Davis,
instead of getting serious about scaling back state
spending (which has swelled by 36 percent under his watch)..."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/674923/posts
\_ No one cares what you idiot inbreds think.
\_ No one cares what Simple Simon and his inbred supporters
think. Give it up.
\_ This state needs a real leader. Someone with vision. Someone
who cares. A man like... Gray Davis.
\_ Post the god damned original link not the freeper crap.
http://www.presstelegram.com/archive/opinions/0402/29/edi02.asp |
| 2002/4/29-30 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:24636 Activity:low |
4/29 little history quiz: why were Hiroshima and Nagasaki chosen?
why not tokyo?
\_ Duh, obviously because Godzilla had already done so much damage to
Tokyo what was the point of that?
\_ Tokyo housed much of the Japanese Government. The Allies had to
have some government left with which to work in post-war occupation
and rebuilding. Also, Truman personally objected to destroying any
of the historical landmarks or architecture in Tokyo and Kyoto.
Had the US destroyed say the Japanese imperial palaces, I think the
post-war occupation and rebuilding of Japan would have been very
different and difficult. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were cities that,
while civilian, were home to mostly military/industry. --Jon
\_ I saw an interview with a guy who survived Nagasaki. He said it
was the local populace's theory at the time (pre-bombing) that
they were not being conventionally bombed because the Americans
were saving the cultural treasures in his city. I don't know if
Nagasaki had any true cultural treasures more than any other
city but I do know Tokyo had been previously bombed
conventionally and the Americans wanted 'fresh' cities to nuke
so they could do clean damage assessment afterwards. *OR* you
could go along with my Godzilla theory mentioned earlier.
\_ "fresh city" for damage assessment is also a good reason,
but Kyoto, which was on the target list, was also an
unbombed list. There were many reasons for !Tokyo and for
!Kyoto. --Jon
\_ I think the main reason though was definitely fear of
waking Godzilla. Although this happened later circa
1999-2000, NYC was spared ~55 years of monster damage
and repeat visits.
\_ I read a long article on Reader's Digest maybe 20 years ago
written by one of the flight crew that dropped the bombs. It
said one reason to choose those two cities was that they
haven't been bombed, so the Japanese govt wasn't expecting the
US to bomb it and so the air defense there was weak. The
article might also have mentioned the need of clean damage
assessment but I don't remember.
\_ It was an industrial base.
\_ Perhaps a word of mouth but someone told me it's because the weather
over Tokyo wasn't allowing for the pilots to do visual so at the
last minute, it was decided that H & N are to be target. I'm not
sure what the radar technology was like in 1945 but this is just
what I heard.
\_ H&N were 'set aside' while Tokyo was getting bombed to shit by
conventional explosives (70+k dead). Damage assessment on
undamaged target cities.
\_ this is the only correct anwser.
\_ Wrong, damage assement was only one of the criteria.
Weather and visual bombing conditions were also very
important as was the strategic military value of the
targets. |
| 2002/4/29 [Reference/Religion, Recreation/Humor] UID:24637 Activity:nil |
4/29 This would be almost funny if it wasn't so fucked up. Catholic
Cardinal blames 6 year old boy for being molested. Just fucking
amazing....
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/119/metro/An_alleged_victim_is_called_negligent+.shtml
\_ The _really_ sad thing... The boy probably blames himself, too.
\_ Why is this surprising Boston is among the most liberal cities
in the US. Reap what you sow. |
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