Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2002:April:25 Thursday <Wednesday, Friday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2002/4/25 [Transportation/Car/Hybrid, Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:24573 Activity:high
4/24    Segway's first customer is Atlanta:
        \_ Charge it for 6 hours, and only 15 miles per charge? _NOW_ I'm
           convinced nothing too major will come of it. Multi-billion-dollar
           niche my ass.
           \_ D00D U R 50 WR0NG! S3GW4Y 15 50 '1337! 17 R0X! S3GW4Y H45 1075
              0F R00M T0 GR0W! JU57 L1K3 P4 & 174N1C!
           \_ I heard it runs Linux.  Now I want one!  /.
              \_ debian/gnoo linux or 3V1L R3D H47?
                 \_ k3wl-d00de l1nux!!1  1tz k3l3rZ d@n d3b1@n/\/\/\gn00!!!11
                    t0eT2ll33 318!!!!
2002/4/25 [Uncategorized] UID:24574 Activity:high
4/24    For 24-bit RGB values, the "negative" of (r, g, b) is
        (255-r, 255-g, 255-b).  How do I get the "negative" of 32-bit CMYK
        values?  Thanks.
           \_ That's very helpful.  Thanks!
2002/4/25 [Uncategorized] UID:24575 Activity:nil
4/24    Anyone know what the deal is with this newsgroup hierarchy that gets
        downloaded when you first set up imap ? It shows up as a public folder.
        \_ It's the World Wide Porn Archive.  Also Warez, and MP3s available.
           But no spam.  You won't find spam there, no sirree!
2002/4/25 [Uncategorized] UID:24576 Activity:nil
4/24    Did anyone who efile got their federal refund yet?  I got the state but
        not the federal.
        \_ So greedy!  You should return it and pay 1998's full rate.
2002/4/25 [Reference/Law/Court] UID:24577 Activity:nil
4/24    The new Windows logo (after the Anti-Trust lawsuit concludes):
2002/4/25-26 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:24578 Activity:high
4/24    On Windows platform, how do I capture the text from a command prompt
        window (another program is running there)?  This is to help maintain a
        very old system that I don't have the option of rewriting.  I promise
        after this I'll get a Real (TM) Operating System.
        \_ Get a Mac and start getting some real work done.
        \_ if you can run the command prompt window from a telnet session into
           the windows box (i.e. see seattle labs' remoteNT product), you can
           capture that text and operate on it with the likes of perl and/or
           expect. -ERic
           \_ I still have the code for that we used at various not-to-be-named
        \_ do you mean copy and paste?
        \_ (1) Right click on title bar --> Edit --> Mark
           (2) Highlight the text
           (3) Right click on title bar --> Edit --> Copy
        \_ If the Old Windows Application runs in a command/dos shell, can you
           make it redirect it's output to a file or is it interactive?
           Thus: C:> owa.exe > output.txt
        \_ Thanks for all the responses.  Actually, the program is interactive,
           and I need to be able to examine things on the fly, so I can't
           redirect in/out.  Sounds like simulating the mouse-presses in the
           MS-DOS prompt and then reading from the clipboard might be easiest.
           (Yes this is basically cut and paste, but programatically.)
2002/4/25 [Computer/Networking] UID:24579 Activity:high
4/24    How many people have a Linksys, DLink, and NetGears router? How
        is it?                                 \_ or
        \_ each of those vendors offers a number of
           consumer-level broadband routers that are often made by different
           manufacturers, use different software, and have different features.
           Take a look at reviews at Granted,
           their products are much more refined than when the market was
           created a couple of years ago. I personally use SMC 7004BR four-port
           router and I am happy with it after installing the latest firmware
           \_ I have another SMC product (the 7004AWBR, wireles router) and
              am happy owith it.
        \_ i have the linksys router/wireless access point ( BEFW11S4) and
            its actaully pretty nice.
        \_ I have a Linksys Cable Modem (BEFCMU10) and Linksys Etherfast
           Router (BEFSR41) They both work very well.
        \_ DL-704, cost $20 from BestBuy (rebate+it's returned item), does the
2002/4/25 [Uncategorized] UID:24580 Activity:nil
4/24    Has anybody joined the Cal Alumni Association?  Is it worth the
        $350 or whatever for lifetime membership?
        \_ It might be worth it if you plan to live near Berkeley for
           a long time, and make use of its libraries and RSF.
        \_ I've joined. I haven't seen any tangible benefits except
           for the California magazine that shows up at my house
           every month. If you have any extra $400 to donate, join
           the Alumni Association. --ranga
        \_ It lowers my Geico insurance rates 10%.
2002/4/25 [Recreation/Dating] UID:24581 Activity:nil
4/24    Why am I not shocked that UN police were participating in the sex
        slave industry?  I'm not sure which is worse: that they were part of
        this truly evil practice or that I'm not shocked by it....
2002/4/25 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:24582 Activity:kinda low
4/24    What exactly is so special about French laundry methods? Why are
        alot of cleaners "Parisian"? I tried looking this up but kept finding
        references to the restaurant in Napa.
        \_ Since the French don't bathe regularly their wash has to be done
           extra well.  That's all.
           \_ they might be using french kiss to clean them up.
2002/4/25 [Computer/Networking] UID:24583 Activity:high
4/24    If I have two T1's to two ISPs and want to do load balancing between
        the ISPs do I need to use BGP (and have an AS#?)
        \_ No, this is not strictly necessary.  That said, there are other
           other advantages.  The main one is that by getting your own ASN and
           having a BGP capable router, you can purchase your own block of IP
           address space and be multi-homed.  If you are multi-homed, and one
           of your ISPs has a catastrophic failure (read: goes out of
           business, shuts all connectivity down), you don't drop off the net,
           and you can easily replace the dead ISP.
           \_ Ok, well, our ISP "prohibits" us from getting an ASN. What does
              that mean? Well, basically, they are forcing us to use a static
              route to them.
              \_ Uh, tell your ISP to go stick there head in a pig.  This
                 sounds like a lame ploy to force you into staying their
                 customer.  Since you're already planning on getting another
                 ISP (for your second T1), make sure they are amenable to your
                 plans to eventually be multi-homed.  Get the second T1 up,
                 tell your original ISP to shove it, replace the first T1, and
                 voila, multi-homed goodness.
              \_ What ISP is this?
2002/4/25 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24584 Activity:nil
4/24    ucla ee guy: which acc/rej have you gotten so far and where are
        you going?
        \_ In addition to UCLA I have been accepted for MS CS at USC
           and MS EE at Cornell. UCSD rejected me for MS CS. I'm still
           waiting for Stanford. - ucla ee guy
                \_ yes I was waiting for Stanford as well, and one day I
                   just wrote them an email. It took them 4 days to reply,
                   but basically they said "We mailed EVERYONE a letter
                   on March. We're sorry, but you were not selected. The
                   quality of our applicants had gone up significantly and
                   the number of openings in the CS dept had actually
                   shrunk. We wish you luck elsewhere."
                   \_ that sux.  I know how that feels.
                        \_ doesn't matter, Stanfurd's inferior anyways.
                           Who are you anyways?
                        \_ by the way it's been over 3 weeks and I still
                           haven't gotten the letter that they were suppose
                           send out.
                   \_ I applied EE. I asked a prof and he said final
                      decisions haven't been mailed out to HCP students.
                      Sucks about CS though.
                      - ucla ee guy
2002/4/25 [Uncategorized] UID:24585 Activity:nil
4/25    The French are now protesting against democracy.
2002/4/25 [Recreation/Dating] UID:24586 Activity:very high
4/25    Is innocent flirting considered cheating?  At work, if I'm talking to
        a pretty woman (single or married) I tend to make eye contact
        and smile as we speak.  Some women would smile back and maybe toss
        her hair or giggle if I'm joking about something.  It's harmless
        flirting really.  Anything wrong with this?  -flirty guy :-)
        \_ If you have to ask the question...
        \_ This isn't flirting. It's normal social interaction, you
           pathetic loser.
           \_  man troll
               no manual entry for troll.
        \_ No.  Physical contact or overtly sexual talk is crossing the line.
           \_ No 'line' has been crossed until buttons pop and there's a
              search for condoms.
        \_ Nothing.  If your gf/wife/whatever is upset by this then she's got
           some serious self esteem issues.  Your only issue is choosing your
           gf/wife/etc poorly.  That's not even real flirting.
                \_ yeah but flirting leads to late night coffee and dinner
                   and before you know it both of you may get naked. It's
                   like marijuana, it's a stepping stone to the hardcore drugs
                   \_ Nonsense.  You want him to robotically ignore his female
                      coworkers and get labelled queer?  Bad career move.
                   \_ so if you flirt then you will end up doing speedballs?
        \_ Did this really happen or are you playing Sims Hot Date?
        \_ maybe you should find someone else you totally are happy with
           \_ maybe you're in fantasy land.  some light flirting doesn't mean
              he's unhappy.  it means he's a normal healthy male.  the idea
              that once you're with someone you suddenly become blind to the
              rest of the world or there's something wrong with your current
              relationship is the source of many young stupid women's pointless
              unhappyness and needless misery.
           \_ Like Cindy Margolis or Aria Giovanni.
              \_ If I dated a supermodel, I cheat on her just to be able
                 to say that I was man enough to cheat on a supermodel. -tjb
        \_ "The day you stop looking is THE DAY YOU DIE." - al pacino
           \_ Scent of a Woman (1992)
2002/4/25 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:24587 Activity:very high
        Gubnor Davis talks about reparations for blacks, chinese and mexicans.
        Guess who didn't get a single word of mention but was treated *much*
        worse by this country?
        \_ I agree, Denis Leary has been oppressed for far too long.
        \_ This is a GREAT solution to the upcoming deficit he created with
           expensive power contracts.
        \_ Other Asians?
           \_ Think 'reservation' and not the 5 star kind.
              \_ Oh!  The native Americans, right?
        \_ If you are speaking of american indians, reparations in many many
           different shapes and forms are in process, or at least more than you
           might guess. The efforts still need lots of help, though. Check out
           California Indian Legal Services ( and the Native
           American Rights Fund ( for two of the primary movers. A
           site for news is <DEAD><DEAD> They need money, lawyers and
           engineering support. This is closely related to what I do for a
           living. Ask if you want to know more. I'm currently
           helping out a newly "recognized" tribe that is being given land
           in trust in and around Death Valley. -- ulysses
           \_ What does any of this have to do with the displaced Native
              Americans all across this and other states?  Does any of this
              even remotely make up for entirely wiping out many tribes and
              killing millions of others and taking their land?
           \_ I've lost money at their casinos. Doesn't that count?
             \_ No.  Very little money from casinos goes to help the average
                Native American.  Most of it is concentrated in a few tiny
                tribes.  Most of the tribes in California were put in such
                incredibly barren and out of the way areas that a business of
                any sort is economically impossible.
             \_ Sure, as far as I'm concerned. After all, it is the casinos
                that are why Davis probably didn't mention the indians. He
                has been quite public in his efforts to limit the expansion
                of indian casinos. Nevada's gambling kingpins are getting
                ready to megafund a ballot initiative to all but strip the
                casinos completely from the indians. Stay tuned. -- ulysses
                \_ Yeah, this is good.  So the Mob is going to take another
                   shot at the casinos so Davis can bring in more taxes from
                   Mob run casinos after outlawing the Indian ones and this
                   is why he didn't mention the Native Americans?  Either
                   they're doing ok with casinos or they're not.  If they're
                   going to get stripped of even that much then they have
                   nothing.  Either way they should be mentioned and deserve
                   reparations as much as anyone.  By saying they have
                   casinos and therefore don't require reparations is like
                   saying it was ok to kill the Jews in Germany because today
                   they have Israel and are doing fine.  Doing ok or not today
                   has nothing to do with crimes committed in the past which
                   continue to this very day.
2002/4/25 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:24588 Activity:high
4/24    ucla ee guy, if you got into Stanford would you go? The tuition there
        is $27000/year vs. $6000/year at UCLA.
        \_ What's the deal with the stanford distance learning MS? Seems like
           a lot of people in valley working  for big companies get one of
           those. Is it remotely equivalent to a "normal" MS at stanford?
           \_ Yes it's the same degree as the normal MS, but both the normal MS
              and the SITN MS are vending-machine programs.
                \_ they're not as easy to get in as people say it is. Still,
                   it is overpriced and overrated.
2002/4/25 [Finance/CC] UID:24589 Activity:nil
4/24    Old people in desperate need of renewal through Carrousel:
2002/4/25-26 [Uncategorized] UID:24590 Activity:kinda low
4/25    any idea where i can get a 25 pin dsub shielded twisted pair cable?
        i'll answer my own question, in case anyone cares.  iomega's
        zip scsi cables are 25 pin dsub twisted pair.
        \_ Make your own?
           \_ waste of time, and the quality will not be as good as a good
              commercial cable.
2002/4/25-26 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24591 Activity:very high
4/25    ucla ee guy, did you get anything housing info with your acceptance
        letter? The only thing I got was a paper called "UCLA Graduate
        Student Housing Options" and my URSA code.
        \_ That's the only thing I got. I'm mailing mine in soon to see if
           I can get into one of those grad student dorms. Otherwise I'm
           going to go down there in july and find a place.
           BTW, money isn't a big issue for me since my company will
           most likely pick up the tab regardless of where I go. The
           problem is the number of hours I'd have to work. I don't
           want to spend to many hours working since I won't be able
           to study and learn properly.
           At stanford, I'd have to work 25 hrs/wk to get full tuition
           reimbursement. If I go to UCLA, its less than 10 hrs/wk,
           which is much easier (no critical customer bugs or action
           items get assigned to an engineer who is 10 hrs/wk or less,
           but 25 hrs/wk is practically full time at more companies).
           - ucla ee guy
                \_ go to ucla. You're not going to be able to work 25 hrs/wk
                   at Stanford. Despite what people say classes there are
                   not THAT easy (I've taken a few). Sure the grades are
                   inflated, but you still have to work pretty hard.
                   \_ What makes you say UCLA classes are any easier than
                      Stanford classes?
                        \_ the author did not make such statement, nor did
                           he imply it. Perhaps he assumed that 25hrs/wk
                           would have a negative effect on his school work
                           hence it would be better to go to ucla.
        \_ what's the cost of UCLA Master's?
                \_ the same as any other public school.
                \_ much cheaper than Stanfurd.
2002/4/25 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:24592 Activity:nil
4/25    Egypt wants $100b to attack Israel.  I'm not making this up.
        \_ there sure are a lot of landmines in the way, did
           they recently invent magic hovercraft?
        \_ Grade: D-
           Comments: Dropped from C- to D- for saying "I'm not making this
                     up."                       - troll grader
           \_ You're an idiot.  It's a serious topic when a country announces
              they'll attack another country presumably with the intent of
              completely destroying them and killing everyone if the price
              is right.  Or maybe you're a moron.  I'm undecided on that.
2002/4/25 [Reference/Military] UID:24593 Activity:nil
4/25    "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every
        rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from
        those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and
        are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money
        alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius
        of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not
        a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds
        of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron." --
        Dwight Eisenhower, April 16, 1953
2002/4/25-26 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24594 Activity:moderate
4/25    UCLA ee guy, I'm the UCLA cs guy. I got a brilliant idea on how to
        get each other's email without being intercepted by the motd jerks.
        You have your blue "UCLA Graduate Student Housing Options 2001-02"
        sheet? Starting at the line "We understand that finding a place..."
        map that letter to 1, 2, 3, and so on (e.g. W=1, e=2, u=3, n=4, ...).
        Then you have the entire number to alphabet mapping. With that,
        post your numbering. For example, if your login is weu@csua, then
        your login would be 1,2,3@csua. Please post your login here.
        \_ there are lots of bored, loneley, horney guys here and yet
           women post their logins repeatedly.  the harassment can't be that
           bad.  you're being a paranoid idiot.
        \_ Ok: 17,3,28,31,17,17@csua.  - ucla ee guy
        \_ 5,8,44,354,21,22,84@csua
           \_ 5=d, 8=s, 21=i, 22=n
              > cat /etc/passwd | grep '^' | cut -f 1 -d ":"
              [No output]
           \_ How does this prevent other people who also have the blue sheet
              from decoding the login?
        \_ You're a whack.  Just post your login.
        \_ just post an ad on craigslist in "Men Seeking Men"
        \_ yeah, stop being a dweeb and post your damn login. oh wait-- if
           you do, I might mail bomb you out of jealousy... better not.
        \_ Why dont you just post yours w/o waiting for ee guy?
           Better yet, let's wait until the Fall and then we'll find
           out who both of you are based on information written in the motd.
2019/06/27 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
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