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2002/4/18 [Uncategorized] UID:24472 Activity:nil
4/17   Not a particularly bad day for the motd.
2002/4/18 [Recreation/Dating] UID:24473 Activity:nil
4/17   This puts it all into perspective:
        http://kyushu.com/gleaner/editorspick/seppuku.shtml
        Any reccomendations on the virgin lady ?
2002/4/18 [Uncategorized/Profanity, Computer/Theory, Computer/SW/Apps/Media] UID:24474 Activity:nil
4/17    for a while various heavy metal bands were hiding satanic shit
        in their songs that can only be heard if you play the record
        backwards.  does anyone know of a metal song that displays
        some satanic looking shit if you take the fourier transform of the
        song?  that would kick ass.  i'm thinking of emailing Danzig to
        suggest it.
        \_ <DEAD>chaos.yerbox.org/face<DEAD> and
           http://www.tp.spt.fi/~cleth/aphex.gif
           \_ that kicks ass!@!!! thanks!  now much time will be wasted
              combing my metal mp3s.
2002/4/18 [Science/Electric] UID:24475 Activity:high
4/17    searching for a discrete dual schottky barrier diode
        o sot-23 or mini-3 pin package
        o common anode layout
        o .5A or higher forward/reverse current rating
        o 15V or higher reverse voltage rating
        o 5V or higher forward voltage rating
        if you know of a part like this (and even better if you know
        where to buy it) let me know. --Jon
        \_ just out of curiosity, what's the application?
           \_ dual (hopefully redundant) power supplies.  In particular,
              to make sure that voltage from one PS' 5VSB doesn't feed
              back into the other PS' 5VSB from the wrong direction.
              also, since the 5VSB is feeding a fairly large number of
              devices (~10 instead of say the one or two on a motherboard),
              there are larger current requirements.
2002/4/18 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:24476 Activity:very high
4/17    must reads:
        http://www.ajds.org.au/intifada/mendes.htm
        http://www.ajds.org.au/mendes.htm
        I love this guy, we should all (including me sometimes) give this much
        thought and consideration to all sides in the middle east.
        \_ This guy sounds pretty biased to the palestinian side.  Just listen
           to the language he uses on scholars who take Israel's side.
           \_ yeah, I thought that too, but it is still getting better, try
              this, though I haven't finished it yet, soooo....
              http://www.ajds.org.au/intifada/morris_shlaim.htm
           \_ yeah, I thought that too, but it is still getting better
           \_ Example please? I think it's quite rational. At least it lays out
              the basic claims on each side pretty well, and I agree with the
              conclusion. Namely that a) Israel's settlements in wb&gaza and
              b) Palestinians' "right of return" claim are obstacles to peace.
              Those settlements are morally indefensible IMO. Actually I
              haven't even seen someone try to defend the idea. Any takers?
              But clearly giving refugees land back from Israel isn't feasible
              anymore.
              \_ "Arabs didn't tell Palestinians to leave.  Benny Morris says
                 so.  All these other people who disagree are just
                 'ill-informed historians and propagandists,' repeating the
                 same arguments ad infinitum."  Without looking more closely
                 into the issue, I ll take the side of many scholars who claim
                 X, over a single Benny Morris guy who claims not X.
              \_ One concept: Jews all over the Middle East got kicked out of
                 the various Arab countries, their property taken, etc, and
                 went to Israel to start again because they had no where else
                 to go.  They have no "right of return" to Syria, Tunisia,
                 Egypt, Iraq, Iran, or anywhere else.  Palestinians are
                 *specifically not* welcome in _any_ Arab country.  No one
                 wants them.  They're a convenient economic, political, public
                 relations and terrorist weapon against Israel.  The West Bank
                 was even worse off under Jordan's rule up to '67.  In the
                 late 70's, Jordan officially gave up all claim to the WB.
                 Egypt no longer claims Gaza.  Why is it the Jews will take in
                 other Jews who got forced from their homes but Arabs go out
                 of their way to *not* take in their so-called brothers?
                 Hint: *no one* wants the Palestinians.  Jordan, Egypt, and
                 Kuwait all forced hundreds of thousands off their land in
                 one way or another.  What's so damned special about the
                 Palestinians anyway?  There are plenty of other people who
                 have a *much* better claim to an independent state and we
                 *never* hear about them.  Kurds, Basque(sp?), Tibetans come
                 to mind.  How about you give up some land for the American
                 Indians?  You realise you live on tribal lands?  Either
                 you've gotta say "tough shit" and life sucks to all of these
                 people or you're a hypocrite by not believing in all of their
                 causes, especially Native American's.  Think about it.  I'll
                 touch on this Native American thing later.  You'll like it.
                 \_ What?!  Are you saying that it's ok for the Israelites to be
                    as *barbaric* as the Turks, Saddam Hussein and the *commie*
                    Chinese?!  Mighty fine company!
                    \_ And the Spanish and the US and many others. I'm saying
                       there's no difference and the *whole* world plays the
                       "might makes right" game.  The difference in the Middle
                       East is that playing nice = get wiped out.
                 \_ Yea, Jews take in other Jews by settling them on Palestinian
                    land.
                    \_ And Arabs make more land for themselves by killing and
                       kicking out Palestinians *and* Jews.  Chew on *that*.
                 \_ I like how neither of you talked about settlements.
                    One difference in this situation is that there just so
                    happens to be a chunk of land sitting there that is
                    rather perfect for creating a Palestinian state out of.
                    Well, if not for Israel deliberately building armed
                    camps all over the place. With Native Americans, yes
                    what the USA did was wrong. If you see someone doing
                    wrong, does Jewish religion say it's ok to copy them?
                    Or does it say to just not give a shit about non-Jews?
                    Go see the movie "The Bicycle Thief" btw. Also look at
                    East Timor, sometimes the UN actually kind of works.
                    Who says I don't believe in other people's causes?
                    But the US did its stuff 150 years ago. It's too late.
                    It's not too late in the case of Palestinians. And like
                    the other poster implied, do you want that Israel is
                    in the same moral category as those other regimes?
                    \_ How is it too late for the Native Americans?  Hello?!
                       There's still MILLIONS of them on reservations right
                       here in this country TODAY!  They're still being kicked
                       around and abused by our country RIGHT NOW!  Are you
                       saying because the abuse *started* a long time ago, that
                       it is somehow OK that we continue it today?  Sheesh.
                       Talk about settlements: ok, *you* currently live, work
                       and play on Native American land.  When you're ready
                       to abide by the zillion and one treaties your government
                       broke to your direct benefit today then you'll be in a
                       non-hypocritical position to discuss other's faults.
2002/4/18 [Uncategorized] UID:24477 Activity:nil
4/17    http://www.bobblers.com/041702/d.jpg (what happens when geek girls
        stay indoors too long)
        \_ what's wrong with her?
2002/4/18 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Reference/Military] UID:24478 Activity:nil 61%like:24424
4/18    "I do believe Ariel Sharon is a man of peace," Bush says.
        War is Peace.
        \_ Yeah yeah and they gave Arafat the Nobel Peace Prize.  Whatever.
           \_ Ignorance is Strength.
2002/4/18 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:24479 Activity:nil
4/18    I want to burn a CD for someone that can be played as audio, but also
        has some data on it. IS this the same as an "enhanced cd"? Do I
        need a special burner to do this?
        \_ well, I guess this answers my question:
             http://www.cdpage.com/CD-ROM/enhancedcd.html
2002/4/18 [Uncategorized] UID:24480 Activity:nil
4/18    English in action in higher learning:
        http://forums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=004691
        \_ more like English in action in fictional humor.
2002/4/18-19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:24481 Activity:very high
4/18    New, decent motdedit in /csua/bin/motdedit.new.  There's a small
        race condition for vi users, but i think we can all deal with it.
        --scotsman
        \_ Telling people to change their behaviours is like changing the
           keyboard to something that sux (e.g. Qwerty) and hoping that
           they'll all slow down.
           \_ I didn't tell anyone to change their behavior.  I'm simply hoping
              the emacs/pico folks will be a little more courteous.  --scotsman
        \_ symlinked to /csua/bin/me for convenience --scotsman
           \_ /csua/bin/you ?
        \_ Now if everyone would just use it...
           \_ Well, now there's no reason not to.  ..okay, maybe not NO
              reason..--scotsman
              \_ what was the reason to not use it before?
                 \_ That it didn't actually lock in any useful way, and that
                    it didn't play nice with vi. --scotsman
                    \_ not to mention those that open up motdedit and idle
                       for hours.
                       \_ Well, this won't take care of that..  make something
                          foolproof, and someone will make a bigger fool.
                          --scotsman
                          \_ Very true.  So what are some of the improvements
                             in this version?
                             \_ uses flock instead of fuckcuntl^Wfcntl, will
                                wait for a lock for you, will play nice with
                                vi. --scotsman
                                \_ so why not replace /csua/bin/motdedit ?
2002/4/18 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:24482 Activity:nil
4/18    American vs. British journalism.  Compare & contrast.
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7366-2002Apr18.html
        and more from the Chicago Sun Times:
        http://www.suntimes.com/output/commentary/cst-edt-edits18.html
2002/4/18 [Recreation/Food] UID:24483 Activity:nil
4/18    "All Red Level Troubleshooters, Please Report To The Food Vats"
        http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,51842,00.html
2002/4/18 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:24484 Activity:nil
4/18    http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/comment/0,10551,685169,00.html
        Israel is creating the terror infrustrature as we speak.
        \_ Uhm yeah.  Once again, be careful of your sources.  The Guardian
           will print anything.  Anything Left.  Anything Anti-Israel.
           Anything Anti-American.  It doesn't have to be true or even close
           to true.  The British have a much difference sense of what good
           journalism is than Americans.  We don't always do it right but
           many in this country at least try.
           \_ Is the Guardian mainstream newspaper or is it supermarket
              tabloid?
              \_ In Britain there isn't a difference.  That's the point.
                 There are some on the motd who rag on the washington post as
                 a moonie-paper and instantly dismiss anything from the wp.
                 I'd take the WP as The One True Word long before I accepted
                 *anything* from a British fish wrap like the Guardian.
              \_ The Guardian, The Telegraph and The Times are the three
                 most well respected English newspapers, on par with
                 The Times and The Post. The above poster is seriously
                 confused. He can't even bother to figure out the difference
                 between the Washington Post and the Washington Times. Either
                 that or he is deliberately trying to mislead you.
                 \_ Moonie this, Washington Whatever that.  Who cares?
                        \_ i think it's a big deal a fairly
                           major newspaper is owned by the fucking moonies.
                           why don't you?
                 \_ "well respected" by whom?  Read the damned article.  It
                    would be lucky to get a spot as an op/ed piece in any
                    semi-self-respecting American paper.
                    \_ http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,3932025,00.html
                       http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,3932086,00.html
                       \_ Christ oh mighty!  Where did you learn to not read?
                          These are British awards and Net awards to a British
                          rag.  It's like the Fox Committee awarding the fox
                          an award for Best Keeper of Chicken House.  Damn!
                          \_ You are right. The rest of the world is wrong.
                             End of argument. Do you have a similarly low
                             level of regard for the Pulitzer prizes?
                             \_ Like the ones where they give awards out for
                                stories based on lies?  Yes, I do.  Please try
                                to be more aware of your surroundings.  It's
                                intellectually safer that way.
                             \_ The pulitzer used to mean something, but
                                these days it yet another highly political
                                award, just like the Peace Prize.
                    \_ American papers suck (except for San Jose Mercury News)!
                       \_ I used to read the People's Daily World (later
                          renamed the People's Weekly World after the Soviets
                          fell).  Now that was *quality*.
                          \_ Seriously, everyone knows American papers suck.
                             Read Economist instead!
                             \_ No thanks.  The People's Yearly World is good
                                enough for me.
                      \_ Yeah. The merc's is the only one with a Fry's section!
2002/4/18 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:24485 Activity:nil
4/18    secure data vault vs carnivore?  Does this make any real world sense?
        http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,51917,00.html
2002/4/18 [Uncategorized] UID:24486 Activity:nil
4/18    tomshardware benchmarks old video cards with new.  Mine is 3 to 7
        times slower than the top end and it's only 18 months old.
        \_ Wait 18 months and then buy one.
        \_ Makes sense.  Graphics has it's own Moore's law
           (8 fold in 18 months).
2002/4/18 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:24487 Activity:nil
4/18    Toursists don't read the news!
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1936000/1936241.stm
2002/4/18-19 [Computer/SW/WWW/Server] UID:24488 Activity:very high
4/18    Is anybody else getting spammed from http://jennyslist.com?  Why isn't
        spamassassin blocking it?
        \_ Cuz spamassassin is dumb.  use ifile.
           \_ grow up. --aaron
              \_ What? By "dumb" I meant "doesn't learn."  ifile does.
        \_ Someone subscribed you. Unsub, or add to your own user_prefs file.
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