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2002/3/6-7 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:24031 Activity:high
3/6     The Hammurderer is quickly becoming regarded as the worst-received
        advertising mascot since Kool-Aid's 1989 discontinuation of "The
        Grapist," a huge purple monster who sodomizes thirsty children.
        \_ "Come mr. taliban, tally me banana..."
           \_ Are you saying there's a... towelly-ban?
              \_ You wanna get high?
2002/3/6 [Academia/StanfUrd, Academia/GradSchool] UID:24032 Activity:nil
3/6     speaking of grad school... how does the stanford HCP work?
        what does it take to get in? do the companies in their SCPD
        program generally pay for all your tuition?
        \_ What does Stanford HCP have to do with graduate school?
           \_ you can do a masters or phd at the farm via hcp.
        \_ Supposedly, you apply just like any other student.  So
           the odds should be about the same.  It may help that your
           company is sponsoring.  Some companies, don't pay a cent.
           Some have a limit, like $6000 a year, so you may have to
           pay the rest out of your pocket.
           \_ if your odds are the same as any other student, I guess
              my 2nd question turns into 'what does it take to get into
              the MS program at stanford? (in terms of grades, gre, etc
              \_ The odds are better than a standard student. In terms
                 of grades, min 3.0, prefered 3.5 or higher. General GRE
                 math/anal 750-800, english 650+. Subject not required
                 for most majors. It really helps to have a stanford prof.
                 recommend you, or someone famous in your proposed field.
                 Also helps if you have a direct relative who is a alum.
        \_ Cisco and Sun pay all of the tuition and books. Intel will
           reimburse you as long as you provide a official grade report
           showing that you got a B or higher.
2002/3/6-7 [Reference/BayArea, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:24033 Activity:high
3/6     "Phantom Planet", band containing Rushmore's Jason
        Schwartzman, today, noon, Sproul.  The giant crowd
        will probably be interesting for people watching. - danh
        \_ standard bullshit berkeley band.  if you've seen greenday
           you've seen them all.
                \_ dammit paolo do you ever let up?  this band has
                   nothing to do with berkeley.
                   \_ cept that they are playing in berkeley to a bunch
                      of berkeley freshmen idiots and so are going to
                      - by marketing tactics - spout off pro-berkeley
                      rhetoric for 1 hour.  Yeah,  sounds like a bunch
                      of berkeley bullshit to me.
           \_ wait-- Is this band really from Berkeley? (Because that
              would mean the Rushmore guy lives in our own town!!)
                \_ Berkeley?  Keep it.  It's yours!
        \_ anyone remember the frat party near the beginning of the movie
           "roadtrip"? the band that was playing, they say that was a
           berkeley based band. anyone know if that's true?
         \_ it was the oakland band "The KGB".  they were supposed
            to get huge but i don't think anyone cares anymore.
            http://www.springolo.com/artists/thekgb.html - danh
           \_ Get stoned enough and they're all berkeley based bands.
2002/3/6-7 [Academia/GradSchool] UID:24034 Activity:moderate 60%like:25007
3/5     How many are applying to grad school because of the sucky market?
        \_ how many are paying your mom?
                               \_ Sigh. That's yermom. Kids these days....
        \_ bad people in industry! stay! stay! -bitter graduating senior
           \_ Someone take your NCG self up the ass?
2002/3/6 [Transportation/Car/RoadHogs] UID:24035 Activity:nil
3/5     SUV kills.
        \_ SUV's in general kill, or a specific SUV killed someone?
           if it's case 2 - sorry to hear that. if it's case 1 - it's
           bullshit.
        \_ How many?  Did you rack up a good body count a la Death Race 2000?
2002/3/6-7 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:24036 Activity:high
3/6     Regarding php in apache, the argument of undue load from the
        php module can be taken care of with a reverse proxy web cache
        like squid.  This is highly effective, and I'd be glad to set it
        up.  --scotsman
        \_ can you set up PCP?
           \_ No but I can snort it
                \_ Real Men(c) inject it raw.
                   \_ Real Men(c) booty bump it -sky
                      \_ where can I get PCP sky?
2002/3/6-7 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/HW/Display] UID:24037 Activity:very high
3/6     Anyone have good experience with any rackmount LCD vendors?
        Paying $1200 for the average 15" 1024x768 rackmount LCD is
        a bit stupid. -=Aubie
        \_ For a server room?  Get a dinky 9-12" vga monitor.
        \_ We have some 15"'s CRTs for like $25. Though I know it's
           all about image... --scotsman
                \_ too big, not enuff rez.
                        \_ 640x480 vga.  How much do you need for a shell?
        \_ We have some 15"'s CRTs for like $25. --scotsman
                \_ everyone's got those. I gotta specific space issue.
        \_ 15 inch 1024x768 rack mount lcd.  not crt.  not 640x480. not 9"
                \_ a bit fussy.
                \_ Not fussy, specific need.
        \_ http://www.computeranimal.com/monitors/442623.html  --jon
        \_ dell has a really good one, and it used to be cheap, dunno about
           now.
           http://www.dell.com/us/en/biz/topics/products_rck_pedge_004_rack.htm
        \_ Dude, just disconnect the back and hang it up. Most LCD panels
           (even the $500, and maybe the $300, ones allow this)
           Who the fuck pays $1200 for any 15" device?
           \_ Wanna know what yermom paid for a 15" device?
2002/3/6-7 [Reference/Religion, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:24038 Activity:very high
3/6     Recently it seems that a lot of wackos (e.g. Pat Robertson)
        have been bashing Muslims as violent extremists while other
        people defend Islam as a peace-loving religion.  Obviously
        I don't agree with Pat Robertson, but if Islam is a peace
        loving religion where does the idea of "holy war" come from?
        Do only some sects believe in "holy war" or is it part of the
        mainstream Islamic beliefs and if so how can Islam be
        peace loving?  Thanks
        \_ You've answered your own question.  I suggest you take your
           personl dislike of PR out of the equation and ask yourself the
           personal dislike of PR out of the equation and ask yourself the
           same questions you ask the motd.  The answer is self evident.
        \_ There are many interpretations of the Koran.  There are
           extremists for any religion; it all depends on how one
           was the Crusade.
                   \_ Crusades. There were a few.
           interprets it.  "Holy War" is hardly unique to Islam.  There
           was [sic. were] the Crusade.
                   \_ Crusades. There were six (plus some other forays).
                   \_ weren't the Crusades a response to the "JIHADS" and
                    bloody conquering all the followers of Mohammed did?
                      \_ Not really. The Crusaders were conquering the people
                         of the Near East and Middle East to "reclaim" the
                         Holy Land for the RCC. Muslims happen to be living
                         on that land. Gold, treasure, goods, and glory.
                         \_ duh, they had to reclaim it because the muslims
                          attacked and conquered the jewish settlements due to
                          mohammeds teaching and their their koran. It's okay
                         to claim with violence but not okay to take it back with
                         war? i don't understand.
                        \_ they conquered all the up to Spain with violent wars.
                        and killed those who wouldn't convert, this was before
                          the crusades by muslims.
        \_ jihad ("holy war") means a war against the ones primal nature.
           To wage a successful jihad one must turn ones aggressive
           nature inward and destroy the ego. The militants have grossly
           misinterpreted it. If you want a more indepth understanding
           Joseph Campbell has written and spoken about this.
           \_ Whether they misinterpreted it or not, they're now living it
              and have been killing innocent people in it's name for a few
              decades in modern times and earlier if you want to mix n match
              historical periods.  Murder by any other name is still murder.
              Do you think Joseph Campbell would like to go to Afghanistan,
              Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Egypt, etc, and explain
              to them they've got it all wrong?  I'm sure they'd just slap
              their heads like in a V8 commercial and change over night.
           \_ Thanks, I'll look around for that on the web.  Would you
              happen to have a URL?
              \_ You can get started at the Joseph Campbell foundation:
                 http://www.jcf.org/about_jcf.php
           \_ So is killing others via holy war discussed in the Koran?
              The New Testament doesn't explictly advocate killing one's
              enemies (although the Old Testament does).  Basically I'm
              wondering if Islam is like Christianity where the
              "official" dogma is non-violent but practioners are violent
              or like Judaism where the "official" dogma is explictly
              violent.
              \_ The main problem of "dogma" is that it is often based
                 on a literal interpretatation of religious texts. Since
                 most of these texts were written metaphorically, such
                 an interpretation gets you lots of problems.
                 For example, think about the phrase "kill your enemies."
                 Who are your "enemies"? How do you know they are outside
                 of yourself and not inside? Think about that. Read
                 Campbell, he explains it like no other westerner I've
                 ever met.
              \_ This is incredibly blatant anti-semitism, and the
                 precise opposite of the truth.  Everything in the old
                 testament is included in the Christian Bible (barring
                 slight mistranslations) but the unmediated (<-key word;
                 Judaism explicitly forbids Jews to engage in the
                 literal, unmediated interpretation mentioned in the
                 previous response) Old Testament does not represent
                 "Jewish Dogma" in any way.  Jewish law is composed of
                 3000 years' interpretation and reinterpretation: the
                 Mishna, Talmud, Shulkhan Arukh, etc.  Jewish "official
                 dogma" is extremely complex (the Talmud alone fills an
                 entire bookcase, but great rabbis memorize it) and
                 pragmatic, and applies in a rational way to everyday
                 life; the closest it comes to being "explicitly
                 violent" is to say that a person in the act of murder
                 may be killed to prevent the murder.  Since I don't
                 watch the motd constantly, I probably won't have an
                 opportunity to reply to further nonsense on this
                 subject, but ... there's a reason there has never been
                 a Jewish "Holy War," barring Bible stories.
                 \_ What the hell are you thinking?  The motd is the perfect
                    place for lies, misinterpretation and blatant
                    anti-semitism.  How dare you bring coherent fact to the
                    motd and crush all debate?
        \_ What a stupid question!  Go read freerepublic since you're really
           only interested in one answer.  You might as well ask, "How can
           Christians really believe in the 10 commandments when they bomb
           abortion clinics?"
        \_ "Kill them all. God will recognize his own."
                           \_ I believe that its "God will sort the dead".
                              \_ Translation varies.
           \_ wasn't that a Metallica Album?
2002/3/6-7 [Uncategorized] UID:24039 Activity:kinda low
3/6     Simon coasting to easy victory!
        \_ ?
           \_ It's official.  Simon won.
2002/3/6-7 [Academia/UCLA] UID:24040 Activity:kinda low
3/6     So what's up with Pac-10 basketball this year?  Oregon, Arizona,
        'furd, Cal, and UCLA, a lot of middle strength(AP9-20), but no
        elite teams?  And how far will Cal go in the tourney?
        \_ How far Cal will go depends a lot on the matchups.  We cause
           problems for undisciplined, athletic teams like UCLA.  We have
           difficulty with well-coached teams with solid passers, like
           Arizona.  I don't think we can beat Duke, but I could see us
           beating a team like Maryland.  We're 5-4 vs. top-25 teams this
           season, so we can definitely put some wins together.
           The NCAA tourney is the most difficult bet in sports.  No one
           really knows what the hell might happen.  That's why it's also
           the greatest sporting event on the planet.  -tom
           \_ Err...like you know what's gonna happen with other sports?
                \_ It's a question of the degree of predictability.  Don't
                   be obtuse.  -tom
           \_ Curling, duh!  Nothing beats curling!
           \_ Bah. Maybe in the US, but not the world.
                \_ Don't even try to throw the World Cup in there.  Penalty
                   kicks are a fucked-up way to decide important games.
                   The Tour de France has some cachet but it's too
                   predictable.  -tom
                   \_ And penalties/free throws are more exciting?
                \_ seriously. kind of like how it's called
                   the "world series". maybe if they let the rest
                   of the world actually play. canada does not count.
                   \_ dude, it's only a misnomer when they have a team that
                      can play at our level.  ob yermom.
                        \_ isn't cuba better than us? what's ob?
2002/3/6-7 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:24041 Activity:very high
3/6     Are most sodans getting a ton of spam now? It seems spammers have
        ramped up their efforts at filling up our mailboxes.
        \_ We should install SpamAssassin
                             \_ What is this?
                                \_ http://us.spamassassin.org
        \_ Enhance Your Sex Life!
        \_ Yes I'm getting more spam than before.
        \_ I'm getting spam from tom.
           \_ .hushlogin
        \_ I don't get any spam via soda but my home server is auto-crushing
           plenty via black holes, bad reverse lookups, etc.  Even so, a piece
           or two escapes filtering each day.  I've been giving out bogus
           mail aliases and just disabling them when the spam load gets too
           high so that helps a lot.
           \_ Can we do the same thing on soda?
        \_ don't know if this is relevant but does writing your email
           address on webpages or newsgroups as name at domain dot com
           versus name@domain.com make a difference?
           \_ no. it's trivial for a perl or other script to look for all
              obvious patterns and convert.
        \_ normally i get 3-4 msgs/day, but today i got like 35.
        \_ recently I've been getting a lot of email about some constitution
           to some campus organization...
        \_ I used to get NOTHING, now I get about 2 junk email a day.  Is
           there anyway root can set up filter on the server side?
        \_ yes, one of the main benefits of keeping this account was lack
        of spam, someone get on this! -bemybitch
                                --kngharv (playing with spambouncer right now)
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