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| 2002/3/4-5 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:24020 Activity:high |
3/3 Doh. I missed out on the answer to the "Can we run php on Soda?"
thread and I can't seem to find an answer on the Soda webpage.
Are there any plans afoot to implement php on Soda? --erikred
\_ For the fifth time, no. If you want to run php, build it yourself,
and run it via CGI mechanisms.
\_ why not?
\_ Grumble. From the CSUA FAQ:
We expect our members to be at least somewhat computer
literate, and to have an interest in learning and
experimenting. Because of that, and the fact that our staff
are all volunteers, we don't serve the users in the same way
someplaces like the [19]OCF does. This doesn't mean soda is
especially unreliable or uncared for, it just means we expect
people to be better able to fend for themselves.
...
9. Soda doesn't have XXX installed, could you please install
it?
No. Except in special cases, soda staff does not install
software on request. Soda is meant to promote a user
community, and as such we encourage people to make their
own contributions by installing new software. In addition,
installing software can be a great learning experience
(and is how a number of soda staff got their start). If
you wish to install something on soda, just send mail to
root asking for the necessary permissions to do so.
Furthermore, the majority of sodans don't have php-enabled
web pages, so the extra overhead of running php from within
Apache (i.e. mod_php) is wasteful.
\_ This is a stupid response. Obviously, mod_php is much
more interesting than the CGI version, and a user can't
install mod_php. A decision on whether the small amount
of extra resources required for mod_php is worthwhile
should be made by the people who run the machine, not
some anonymous coward on the MOTD. (If you can manage
to get the people who run the machine to respond to
e-mail). -tom
\_ No, it isn't a stupid response. Saying "please install
PHP" is just the beginning... "OK, but I need the
gd charting module! and the DB access module! what
about the LDAP module?" ad infinitum If it were just
one "portinstall -P", sure, why not.
\_ no it's a stupid response, grumpy root person.
it's not like installing software is actually
difficult in these days of ports and packages,
big freakin' deal. doesn't anyone enjoy
a challenge anymore?
\_ sysadmins work for pay these days -ex-vp
\_ tom, I'm just parroting the response that root staff
gave the last three times this was asked. Fuck off.
- anonymous coward on the MOTD.
\_ Thank you. --erikred
\_ why don't ou just run PHP on ocf? |
| 2002/3/4-5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:24021 Activity:very high |
3/3 Can I run a MUD on soda? How about a netrek server for me and my
friends? Maybe an IRC node, too. And oh yeah, would it be ok if I
ran a few p2p clients and the seti/cancer cure/auto-spammer client,
too? I can install all this stuff on my own. I just need access.
Thanks!
\_ Yes. By all means. It will speed your departure. !staff.
\_ there are other ways to be a hoser. I am sure you will find them.
\_ Back in my day we didn't ask permission to install software, we'd
just break root and install shit.
\_ Uh, I assume you're being facetious, but except for the filesharing
stuff (juarez policy) and auto-spammer crap (obvious reasons), why
the heck not? I'd keep it off soda, maybe, but the CSUA used
to run a bunch of public servers (crossfire, netrek, anonymizer,
whatever.) If you're willing to put in the time to help maintain
some machines for the purpose, why should anyone object? What
is the CSUA server/hardware situation right now, anyway? -John
\_ Yeah, tom or peterm used to run a netrek server on soda. It
was back when the lottery scheduler was agoing. I'm not
sure how well it would behave on current soda, and I'm not
sure if there was some policy decision causing it to stop,
but go for it, duud... --scotsman
\_ It wasn't me, and I don't think it was peterm. There is a
general policy on daemons, or at least there used to be;
you had to have a README letting root know what it was, and
root reserved the right to kill it if it was causing
problems. -tom
\_ Yes I was clowning around. I thought it was obvious but look
how many fools took it seriously. There's no need to troll the
motd. People are begging to get trolled around here. Lighten
up, folks. I thought it was easy to get stoned at Cal.
\_ most motd posters are no longer @ cal.
\_ So? Drugs are everywhere. Find them. Get your doctor
to prescribe something. They love doing that. Drink
heavily. Anything will do.
\_ So you're saying that was your weak attempt at humor?
\_ No. I'm not saying that at all. Maybe it was too subtle
for you and you feel stupid having responded as if it was
a serious post. I'm guessing you're one of the first 2
replies.
\_ Nah, I think the guy is responding to the fact that
you're acting like a jackass. *shrug* |
| 2002/3/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:24022 Activity:high |
3/4 Enron/Taliban link explained:
http://www.monitor.net/monitor/0202a/enroncoverup.html
\_ Uh, there were any surprises in here for you?
\_ That is a really sad attempt to try to tie the Bush
administration to Enron. I don't like Bush that much,
he just proposed the largest budget in US history.
But why does the Enron timeline as reported in the
media always omit the years 1992-2000?
Do yourself a favor and search for Ron Brown and Enron.
Wait, you don't know who Ron Brown was? He was Clinton's
Commerce Secratary who personally escorted Lay on trade
mission to India, Africa and the Balkans. In one case a
week after Lay cut the DNC a 100,000$ check. Lay had at
least a dozen sleep overs in the Clinton's White House. Oh,
and what happened to Brown? Well his plane "accidently"
and what happened to Brown? Well his plane conveniently
crashed in the mountains of Croatia shortly before he was
to be subpoened by Congress to testify about Clinton.
\_ hi, check your facts, Lay never slept over
at the clinton white house. are people going
to repeat this over and over until it becomes true?
http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2002_02_24_archive.html#10250815 - danh
\_ Thanks I retract that then.
\_ Fucking right wing conspiracy spouting fascist! Don't bring
*facts* into this! We all know Enron only existed during
Republican administrations. We know what the meaning of "is"
is, damn it!
\_ it is kind of funny how the current administration
is pretending they never heard of enron, when
enron was bush's biggest contributor and is/was
so blatingly pro business first when deciding
on policy.
\_ What are you refering to? Last I checked
Enron called the Secretary Oneil,
but the administration did nothing. Are you
implying the administration should have gone
public with info about Enron? It was
Robert Rubin (of Long Term Capital Management
fame) that wanted government intervention.
If there's any lesson to be learned about this,
it's that we need to pay more taxes and need
bigger federal government.
\_ How'd you get *that* lesson from this? The
lesson is "diversify your investments" and "dont
believe the hype from management". These are
ancient bits of wisdom people seem to need to
re-learn over n over n over....
\_ Being sarcastic... |
| 2002/3/4-5 [Uncategorized] UID:24023 Activity:high |
3/4 M$ says that removing exploder will be a death blow:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33198-2002Mar3.html
\_ They might have to pull their systems off the market....and develop
new ones! Think of the market share they'd lose as their
competitors steal market share! Right... no competitors. Well,
but people _need_ a new product! Look at how many people are still
running Win 98! Oh wait... wrong way. Um.
\_ On good hardware it would take an hour to recompile using the
-D NO_CRAP switch.
\_ VC++: Error: #define NO_CRAP: unsupported!
\_ It's coming in a future version. Just keep buying MS! |