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2002/2/9 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:23823 Activity:nil
2/8     mutt-enthusiasts: I've been trying to find a way to
        attach my .sig as a separate unit _after_ encryption. It
        seems like mutt should be able to do this but the only
        things I've found is the variable "signature".
2002/2/9 [Science/Biology] UID:23824 Activity:very high 66%like:23825
2/8     OMG, evolution is true! what will the creationists do?
        http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/newsrel/science/mchox.htm
        \_ So this shows that it is possible for a simple mutation to
           change the numbers of legs in arthropods.  It does NOT show
           how simple mutations can cause:
             multicellularity,
             complex sensory organs like eyes,
             sexual reproduction,
             the cell nucleus of the eucaryotes,
             etc.
           -- sceptical of evolution
           \_ Simple mutations have never accounted for true genetic
              variance. Recombination during meiosis plays a much more
              prevalent role in variations in a population. In other words
              sex is what drives evolution, not simple mutation. If you
              need a refresher course on how evolution actually works,
              take an intro course on genetics. williamc
              \_ Aren't you being a little bit presumptuous, williamc?
                 I don't need a refresher course on how evolution 'works,'
                 I simply don't have a lot of faith in it 'working.'
              \_ But before sexual reproduction could happen we needed some
                 \_No, I'm not, because faith has nothing to do with how
                 biology "works". It doesn't care about your faith, it doesn't
                 even know the concept of faith.
              \_ But before sexual reproduction could exist we needed some
                 very complex mutation for asexual organisms to evolve into
                 sexual organisms.  Chicken-and-egg problem.
                 \_Hardly, all sex essentially is is sharing of genetic data.
                 Before sex as we know it existed there were probably already
                 things like transposons which juggle genetic data around.
                 Also, you forget that life has had billions of years to
                 develop complex chemistries to handle such things like
                 reproduction.
                 -williamc
        \_ But the creationists can still ask how was it possible that "life"
           came from random chemical reactions of clouds of atoms and
           molecules.
2002/2/9 [Science/Biology] UID:23825 Activity:high 66%like:23824
2/8     OMG, evolution is true! what will the creationists do?
        http://www.dms100.org/worksucks
        \_ So this shows that it is possible for a simple mutation to
           change the numbers of legs in arthropods.  It does NOT show
           how simple mutations can cause:
             multicellularity,
             complex sensory organs like eyes,
             sexual reproduction,
             the cell nucleus of the eucaryotes,
             etc.
           -- sceptical of evolution
           \_ Since we can't travel back in time to see how it really
              happened we can't ever really be certain so it must be God.
           \_ Simple mutations have never accounted for true genetic
              variance. Recombination during meiosis plays a much more
              prevalent role in variations in a population. In other words
              sex is what drives evolution, not simple mutation. If you
              need a refresher course on how evolution actually works,
              take an intro course on genetics. williamc
              \_ Aren't you being a little bit presumptuous, williamc?
                 I don't need a refresher course on how evolution 'works,'
                 I simply don't have a lot of faith in it 'working.'
                 \_No, I'm not, because faith has nothing to do with how
                 biology "works". It doesn't care about your faith, it doesn't
                 even know the concept of faith.
                 \_ My friend, you are making a tacit assumption that biology,
                    and more specifically the development of complex life,
                    in fact does work according to the theory of evolution
                    which it may or may not do.  Assuming that biology 'works'
                    according to what is currently fashionable in academia
                    is silly dogmatism.
              \_ But before sexual reproduction could exist we needed some
                 very complex mutation for asexual organisms to evolve into
                 sexual organisms.  Chicken-and-egg problem.
                 \_Hardly, all sex essentially is is sharing of genetic data.
                 Before sex as we know it existed there were probably already
                                                             \_ probably?
                 things like transposons which juggle genetic data around.
                 Also, you forget that life has had billions of years to
                 develop complex chemistries to handle such things like
                                                \_ handle?
                 reproduction.
                 -williamc
                 \_ You sound a lot less certain than you did a paragraph ago,
                    williamc.  Why not admit that you simply don't know how
                    life and sexual reproduction originated?  No one really
                    knows.
                 \_ But what kind of environmental pressure would in fact
                    produce two genders?
        \_ But the creationists can still ask how was it possible that "life"
           came from random chemical reactions of clouds of atoms and
           molecules.
                \_ ask the abiogenesists.
        \_ Macroevolution still has too many holes.
           \_ So does your head, but we're not complaining.
2002/2/9 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:23826 Activity:nil
2/8     Once again, Windows is my bitch.  Trying to install software
        which I had successfully installed before on another similar machine
        but this time, it kept crapping out saying: "Setup has detected that
        unInstallShield is in use. Please close unInstallShield and restart
        setup. Error 432". Even removing all instances of IsUnInst.exe failed
        to get around this. But I fooled it and made it do my bidding.
2002/2/9-10 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:23827 Activity:high
2/9     why have world championship competitions when the olympics
        exist?  are these world championships held yearly?
        \_ since the only spectator sports i would care about are sheephearding
          and skateboarding, neither of which is an olympic sport, i
          would say it's a moot point.
          \_ skateboarding is so much more fun to actually do than to watch.
             sheepherding, i've no clue about.
        \_ Most Olympic sports do not hold world championshiops during Olympic
           years.
2002/2/9-10 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:23828 Activity:high
2/09    Grey Davis ah your loved DEMOCRAT, supporting the loved democrat party
        which supports people rather than business. And who most importantly
        replaced Wilson.
          Just read an article very close to my heart which clearing
        indicates that Davis is a fucking idiot and should at least make
        you think twive when deciding who to vote for- and yes the
        upcoming gov election IS HUGE
          Power crises- in relation to renewable energy
          Davis created a special agency to go out and secure power
        contracts because the current utilities could not do so.
        Additionally he setup a action plan to subsidize the building of
        billions of $$$ of plants
          An auditor just recently went through some of the facts. "green"
        energy accounted for only 230/12,000 megawatts additionally it is
        widely believed that renewable sources of energy are moe
        expensive- the auditor found that the prices paid for the 230
        were actually LESS than fossil based.
          But wait there is more. The state sent out letters to all the
        producers saying if you build it we will come. So there was a big
        rush to build renewable sources of energy ( well at least to "get
        ready" building something is a long long process ) but when the
        renewable sources said OK I'm all ready to go but I need the
        power contract so that you will buy the energy my plant produces-
        California backed out and left all the renewable guys holding the
        bag because they blew all their money with contracts to the
        fossil based corps. Even worse there is a 2.5 megawatt plant in
        orange county which even during the darkest time fo the crisis
        COULD NOT EVEN SELL its power to california.
          So now California is sueing the likes of "republican" enron
        trying to convice the puiblic it was all enrons fault, it was all
        the republicans faults, it was all Wilsons fault ( now I have no
        love for wilson either ).  When in reality it was Davis' fault
        for simply mismanaging the whole affair.
          This is the problem with the political battleground. You can't
        believe anything you hear. Its is all hypocracy. Double-talk.
        From all sides of the fence.
          I go on facts- or at least try. And the facts prove that Davis
        robbed the bank more then even the worst eron exec. He shelled
        out 43Billion in energy contracts to big business and didn't
        leave a penny for renewable sources. Even worse he led them on
        with hopes of funding only to pull the plug......
          Now I am not even going to discuss how he hired his brother to
        manage this whole thing and signed him to a contract paying him
        300K.yr or how he hired some chick out of UCLA to a 5yr contract
        paying like 230K/yr the list goes on and on.
        \_ And he took 110,000$ from Enron.  Wilson warned in his
           farewell speech that the bipartisan deregulation
           plan was flawed, and designed only a step towards
           full deregulation.  Davis completely ignored this.  Californians
           will be paying for his "solution" big time over the
           next ten years.
        \_ I think pete wilson shares a lot of blame for the
           pseudo power crisis, but it doesn't matter does it,
           since he's not running for anything anymore.
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