1/5 Dvorak keyboard, yey or ney?
\_ Do you plan to carry your own keyboard with you? Do you ever
have to use other people's computers?
\_ What the hell are you talking about? Why do you need to CARRY
your keyboard around? It's the same bloody keyboard, just a
different layout. A kinesis on the other hand, that is a
different keyboard.
\_ Let's hear what nweaver has to say, he uses Dvorak.
\_ A: I can still type (but not as fast) on QWERTY.
B: Most OSs these days support soft remapping. Once you
can touchtype dvorak, it is a simple matter of mapping
and unmapping the keyboard layout.
C: No wrist pain since I switched. -nweaver
\_ My wrist pain disappeared after I used a wrist pad with
my QWERTY keyboard.
\_ My wrist pain disappeared after I got a girlfriend and
cut down on my frequent masturbation. This course of
action might be a little difficult for some CS types,
but I heartily recommend it!
\_ Also, do other people ever have to use your computer?
\_ Not an issue, at least not on Windows, as it supports
switching between the two quite easily.
\_ When you learned a foreign language, did you forget how to
speak English? The answer is Yay.
\_ When I learned French I didn't forget English but I didn't
have to bring my French keyboard with me to France. Your
analogy is false. Good try though. The first answer is
still the questions above which imply "no".
\_ how is the analogy false? if you're on your normal
keyboard, you "speak" your normal "language". if you're
using someone else's, you speak theirs. Big fuckin'
deal. -tom
\_ I'm sure this is fine for someone who types 20 wpm on
your shitty Dell keyboard but some of us are used to
better which makes it a "big fuckin' deal".
\_ can you actually touch-type at similar speeds on both
qwerty and dvorak keyboards, or are you talking out of
your ass? I would think that "muscle memory" severely
would limit any kind of "keyboard fluency." I'm not
saying it can't be done, but it's also not easy to be
TRULY fluent in multiple languages, without requiring
concentration.
\_ a friend from work, who came to the US from Germany for his
post-doc, travelled back for a conference. another German
asked him where he learned German, because it sounded better
than most American's accents!
\_ My mother (who is Dutch) gets this when she goes back to
visit from the USA. "You speak Dutch so well..." --dim
\_ Dvorak! I can't type on a qwerty keyboard anymore for > 1 hour
without my wrists hurting / going numb for the next two days.
I can type 80-100 wpm all day and never have my hands complain
when using the dvorak layout. Learning the keymap takes about
2 hours to memorize, about a month to get faster than the qwerty
layout. If you are the sort of person who thought it was fun
to spin in circles until falling over as a kid, you will probably
enjoy the experience of remapping your neurons! All this
questioning of linguistic memory- its crap. I can type qwerty
at exactly the same speed as before, after a good 2 years of
dvorak. Spend the effort. Use dvorak. People will freak when
they try to type something into your keyboard, but there are
some nifty programs that let you switch layouts ala hotkey.
When you start learning- make sure that you don't have a
termpaper due during the 1st month or so- it will only be a
frustrating experience. -joshk
\_ How do you know the change to Dvorak isn't just delaying the
inevitable: the day that you can't type qwerty -OR- Dvorak
without wrist pain? Maybe you just have destroyed your
wrists Dvorak style yet? How many years of qwerty did you
use?
have before it was a problem?
\_ I am sure Dvorak is good for the hands of regular people,
but is it any good for programmers who use a lot of all
those funny characters which normal people don't usually
use? Because I don't find typing English much of a
problem. It's those !~@#$&*() that is a pain in the
... fingers and wrist. Maybe someone should design
a keyboard standard for programmers. Remember to
name it after me.
\_ Very good point! (Though I don't know the answer.)
\_ "TYPING ERRORS
The standard typewriter keyboard is Exhibit A in the
hottest new case against markets. But the evidence has been
cooked."
http://www.reason.com/9606/Fe.QWERTY.html
"Typing Tangles"
http://www.reason.com/9611/ltr.sl.html
-- yuen
\_ Finally listened to nweaver...and have never looked back.
Haven't had wrist pain in 4 years. Doubled typing speed.
How long until I see wrist pain? Does it matter? I would
rather put it off than get it now! Does it hurt
programming? No. Was the muscle memory hard to re-learn?
A little. Can I type qwerty? When needed, and yes, the
muscle memory is still there, too. I would give the
original question a whole-hearted YES! In a production
environment, it has been no problem. We're using WinBloze,
and I set my machine up to switch seamlessly (by setting it
up under multiple languages) with a hot key. When I use
other machines, either I use QWERTY or, if I'm going to be
at it a while, I get the drivers off my shared drive and
set their machine up with dvorak as an alternate without a
hot key, so they can't accidentally switch to it (and tell
the machine owner). -djyoung |
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