12/27   Oh great.  Mary,Kate Ashley Marathon.
        \_ pedo-paradise.
        \_ they're nearly legal!

12/27   Republicans and Democrats took millions from Enron, granted it
        exemption from ordinary financial oversight:
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22448-2001Dec24.htm
        \_ We need a smaller government.
        \_ and we have:
             http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2001-12-26/smith.html/1/index.html

12/27
"So what ties us together? We're tied together by our belief in
political democracy. We're tied together by our belief in religious
freedom. We're tied together by our belief in capitalism, a free
economy where people make their own choices about the spending of
their money. We're tied together because we respect human life. We're
tied together because we respect the rule of law. Those are the group
of ideas that make us Americans."

''12/28 Europe / Arabia vs. Isreal / U.S.
        ...from the Spectator, a read so awesome, I wet my pants:
        http://freerepublic.com/focus/fr/597547/posts
        \_ The kind of crap that sodans read is scary. And even scarier is
        that they read it on a regular basis.
          \_ Agreed - at least as concerns the nutty freerepublic guy.
                \_ reiffin
        \_ When are you going to learn to format properly? Let me guess,
           this is from George "What election law?" Bush.

12/28   The moon may be smaller than Earth, but it's further away.
        \_ I'd rather be rich than stupid.

1/1     Happy New Year!  Welcome to a renewed cycle of growth and prosperity!

12/27
"So what ties us together? We're tied together by our belief in
political democracy. We're tied together by our belief in religious
freedom. We're tied together by our belief in capitalism, a free
economy where people make their own choices about the spending of
their money. We're tied together because we respect human life. We're
tied together because we respect the rule of law. Those are the group
of ideas that make us Americans."
        \_ When are you going to learn to format properly? Let me guess,
           this is from George "What election law?" Bush.

12/28   Can anyone recommend a good VW mechanic in/near Berkeley?
        \_ European Motors in Berkeley, San Pablo at Channing
           \_ Any guy in particular to talk to? I've been to McNevitt (?) but
              as a VW dealer, they are $$$.
        \_ Try asking the friendly folx at German Auto Salvage (G.A.S.)
        \_ Precision Peoples on San Pablo one block south of Gilman (next
           to REI). I forgot the owner's name (Ken?). An ex-hippie who
           likes model airplanes which are hanging all over the garage.
           They use to only fix german cars until japanese cars became the
           rage. Now they do both.

12/28 Bilderburg conspiracy exposed!
      http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/598038/posts

12/28 Which well-known individuals do you consider the most attractive?
      \_ Yermom.

12/28   Probably a longshot but I'll ask anyway.  Anybody have experience
        digging for groundwater?  And also with septic tanks?  I'm considering
        building in an area without running water or sewage lines.  I'm
        wondering how much it costs, any gotchas, etc.  Thanks.
        \_ Had this when I lived on the east coast.  It sucked.  Sometimes
           we'd run out of water.  Other times the water would freeze down
           to a trickle.  And getting the septic tank cleaned was a good day
           to be somewhere else.
        \_ Big gotchas are how deep you need to drill to get water, what
           type of rock/soil you're digging through, water quality (ie.
           what you need to do to make it potable), water table level
           changes, and a backup pump when you lose electricity. The septic
           tank can be a bother, but as long as you follow city/state
           building regs (or even expand on them) you should be okay. You
           can get away with getting it cleaned fairly infrequently. Plus
           remember that the toilet is no longer your trash can....
        \_ Thanks.  How about cisterns?  Did either of you had cisterns
           installed?  I'm thinking of putting in these tanks to hold water
           for irrigation.  Man this is a lot of trouble.  Maybe I should
           just buy land next to a river or lake or something.

12/28   SBC has jacked my DSL rate from $39.95 to $49.95.  Wtf? --erikred
        \_ That's hardly news. DSL price jacking started this summer.
           If SBC started charging you $49.95 only now, they probably had some
           sort of contract or agrrement with you that was preventing them
           from increasing the price earlier.
           \_  Correct.  I had a year-long contract at $39.95 per month.
               Now they're offering me a month-to-month contract at the
               "special" price of $49.95.  Bleah.  Suck suck suck. --erikred
           \_ hey, wait, doesn't capitalism = free market? i don't get it!
           i would think costs have gone down, and sales way up, aren't
           they happy enough with that?
        \_ Welcome to the wonderful world of no competition.  It could be
           worse.  The only remaining DSL carrier _could_ have been AT&T.
              fix our economy.
              \_ Yeah, screw competition. Screw Sun and Apple. We
                 should all make way for Microsoft because that will
           Then there would be no price competition for broadband whatsoever.
           \_ Quit yer liberal whiny ass crying, communist.  It's the
              successful companies like AT&T (and Microsoft) what will
              fix our economy.
              \_ Nice Troll. No cookie.
              \_ And learn to spell.  And it was a Bad Troll since no one bit
                 because it looked like a Bad Troll.  You still get no cookie.
              \_ Free market competition >> government controlled
                                                >> private monopoly