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2001/11/8-9 [Computer/Theory] UID:22971 Activity:very high |
11/7 I hate math 55. If CS is an extension of math 55, I'm gonna drop out. \_ if you don't like math 55 you are better off doing something else with your life. You will not be happy as a programmer. \_ I don't think math55 is a good measure of what a career in cs is like. \_ career in CS or a career in programming? they are not the same thing. \_ *sigh* \_ well, obviously if you just want to be a code monkey, you don't need to be able to grok math55. hell, you don't need to go to college either. \_ What's your definition of a code monkey? \_ me.want(obBanana);... \_ well, if you have a million monkeys sitting in front of a million terminals for a million years.. \_ You end up with many dead monkeys? \_ UCB undergrad CS labs? \_ Definitely, most CS majors have no pure theoretical interests, they are looking for a well paying job; math 55 will definitely help sharpen certain mental attributes, but most of CS is long work at the lab and understanding of the theory in 170 series.. \_ false dichotomy: pure theoretical interest vs. looking for well paying job. there are many cs research areas that are not theory and some (not many) theory-type jobs that pay well. \_ Well, I think the really smart ones go out and get high paying theory type jobs. The fact of the matter is that the average CS graduate (undergrad) is not going to be the next brilliant theory head, and will just want a good salary and a good work enivironment. Oh yes, btw, I think you have to be absolutely brilliant to do theory type jobs, I dont think most people fall into that catgeory either. \_ The really smart ones format their motd entries correctly. \_ there are certainly CS areas that don't need as much discrete math, e.g. AI, information modelling, or networking even. but if you hate continuous math (calculus, series, etc) too, then give up now! any heavy CS requires a math strength _somewhere_.. \_ Um, graph theory is used pretty heavily in the above disciplines, and Math 55 is a great introduction to graph theory. \_ AI doesn't need discrete math? I see... \_ Well... it depends how intelligent you want it to be. \_ no, it doesn't. AI needs as much combinatorics, graph theory, and numerics as any other aspect of CS. you're deluded. if you don't understand math 55, you don't understand algorithm. if you don't understand algorithm, you're doing something else. and you certainly don't need to know what they teach you in university to do those things. \_ that was sarcasm, but thanks for the rant. \_ I feel for ya. I hated Discrete Math as well (even though I didn't take it at Cal). There're many things in life that won't require Discrete Math and don't let that intimidate you from pursuing CS. Besides (this is going to totally invite spam), you don't always get to work in fields that you majored in. Most people would take a job in fields that they're "trained" on; whether trained in school, internship, etc. AFAIK, system administration doesn't require Discrete Math. But at the same time, when you commit yourself to CS at Berkeley, you're setting yourself up for research, software/system development or teaching. |
2001/11/8 [Uncategorized] UID:22972 Activity:nil 61%like:22983 |
11/7 Look what we're doing to those poor innocent people in Afghanistan! http://www.taipeitimes.com/news/2001/11/08/story/0000110619 |
2001/11/8 [Recreation/Media] UID:22973 Activity:high |
11/8 What did people think about the Afghanistan South Park Episode? \_ Is there an echo in here? \_ pedantic \_ wow. there is a user with a middle name of Echo \_ echo in here? \_ in here? |
2001/11/8 [Uncategorized] UID:22974 Activity:nil |
11/7 Happy 84th Annivesary of the CCCP. \_ You mean BOCP. CCCP was established in 1923, last time I checked. \_ YPA!! |
2001/11/8 [Uncategorized] UID:22975 Activity:high |
11/7 I'm graduating in May. Has ee122 improved at all? I don't want to waste my time. \_ No. It sucks. Don't waste your time. Take something more useful, like underwater basket weaving. At least you might get a good prof and perhaps your GSI will have clue. \_ It is more dependent on the professor teaching it than other classes. http://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/prof-query?walrand_j The last EE 122 numbers for Walrand are not encouraging. -mgoodman \_ Walrand's book was the most ridiculously priced POS textbook I bought at Berkeley. God, taking EE122 was a mistake. \_ So it seems unanimous that this class is a waste of time... So what is another good way to learn this material? Is there a really good book on the subject? \_ TCP/IP Illustrated, by Stevens. -- misha. \_ thanks for the suggestion... I highly doubt that this is legal, but the full text of the first volume of this book appears to be online for all those interested: http://starlet.deltatel.ru/tcp_stivens \_ the only time it was good was when kevin fall taught it. but I think too many students bitched and moaned about how unfair it was that they had to do real coding projects with real protocols when they expected an easy handful of units that it has reverted back to lameness again \_ The class sucked with Kevin Fall. Yes, the project was cool, but he was the single worst prof that I had at Berkeley. Yes, worse than even Smith (!). Fall didn't really seem to care about the students, spoke in a monotone, had uninteresting homeworks \_ Yeah, at least when Walrand teaches, you get to be amused by his fruity accent! and tests, bad TAs, etc. The project was good, but not enough to redeem the class. |
2001/11/8 [Computer/Theory] UID:22976 Activity:moderate |
11/7 So, okay, I'm 1/2 way through math 55 and I don't see how relevant it is to computer science. any comment? -clueless sophomore \_ Take CS170 (and 172/174 if you have the time). You'll get a good whiff of why 55 is vital to CS. Even 150/164/188 will rely on snippets of it. -alexf \_ Unless, of course, you take the class from Kahan. In which case, none of the class will be relevant... to anything. Unless, of course, you are a math prodigy. Then it will be relevant to increasing your nerddom. \_ Kahan will be teaching math 128B next semester, Im preparing NOW FYI, anyone else taking it, be prepared to have backup classes so you can drop this! \_ I wish somebody told me this a few years ago. I am going to go back to Berkeley to beat him up someday. - screwed by kahan. to go back to Berkeley to beat him up someday. "You are stupid" was what he told a friend of mine who worked for him. - screwed by kahan. \_ Sit through it and hope you gain clue some day. \_ realize that computer science is that to which math 55 is relevant. \_ Hm, good point. |
2001/11/8-9 [Uncategorized] UID:22977 Activity:low |
11/7 I've noticed that, when I use PGP on soda, it spits a chain of hex numbers that I don't need to see. Does anybody know the flag to get rid of all that? It's not on the man page and I wouldn't even know what to check on google. --ulysses \_ 2>/dev/null ? |
2001/11/8 [Uncategorized] UID:22978 Activity:kinda low |
11/7 Let's say you got laid off but you still have mail and packages going to your company. How do you go about getting them? \_ File a forwarding card with U.S.P.S. I've done it before. - jthoms \_ what about fedex/whatnot? \_ what about them? Those are short term near-over night services. Why would someone fexed you something after you were gone? |
2001/11/8-9 [Politics/Foreign] UID:22979 Activity:moderate 66%like:22988 |
11/8 Is there any truth to this (Israeli detained for celebrating WTO)? http://www.americanfreepress.net/11_03_01/Suspects_Still_Held/suspects_still_held.html \_ are you serious? look around the website. I don't know where to start, the racist christian identity site banners? new world order paranoia? ok i actually agree with http://www.americanfreepress.net/08_25_01/Banksters_to_Discuss_Phony_Age/banksters_to_discuss_phony_age.html \_ Well, if I thought it was a credible source I wouldn't have asked here on the motd :-), but just because someone is, say, racist, does not mean everything he says is false. The reason I searched and found that article is that an Israeli friend with no sympathy for Arabs learned from an Israeli newspaper that a dozen Israeli had been detained since 9/11 for simply taping the events and are now represented by Alan Dershowitz, something I have never heard of. Also, I do distinctively remember in the day of the attack, TV news reported "several Middle-eastern looking people were arrested in NY after being seen celebrating," just as related in the article above. But I never heard what happened to them afterward. \_ They were released. |
2001/11/8-9 [Consumer/TV] UID:22980 Activity:insanely high |
11/8 I bought a home with a big round satellite dish (about 8' diameter) on the roof. The dish is see-through like a net, not solid like the DirectTV kind. Neither the previous owner nor my real-estate agent know how to use it. Is there certain service that I need to subscribe to? (I assume the dish is for some kind of TV service.) Does anyone have any company name or phone number that I can call? Thanks for any info. \_ Watch the movie Heat. you can get soooper secrit bank codes right out of the air and make millions!!!! \_ You misinterpreted the scene. The guy knew when the bank was getting cash because of increased number of signals. \_ huhuhuhuh...there's TA in that movie.. \_ Brutha, you are going down... |
2001/11/8-9 [Recreation/Media] UID:22981 Activity:high |
11/8 A little late, but how was Monsters, Inc? Were there a lot of kids in the theatre? Or mostly adults? \_ I was feeling really depressed and it really helped to bring my spirits up with all the cuteness. I did not like Shrek very much, this movie is much better. \_ I enjoyed it. A lot. More so than Shrek or Toy Story 1/2. There were definitely more kids in the theater than the average film, but not overwhelmingly so. \_ pretty good movie. \_ Funny movie. Better than previous pixar offerrings. Unless you absolutely have to see the eps2 trailer show up a bit late as the number of previews for annoying kid movies is a bit much. \_ The Pixar short film in the beginning was hilarious. \_ Some other shorts at Spike & Mike's were better. \_ Yeah, that one with the bird was great... |
2001/11/8 [Computer/Theory] UID:22982 Activity:nil |
11/8 Quick math 55 poll please: Took 55, find it useful as a programmer :. Took 55, find it useful as a theorist :. Took 55, find it *completely* useless :.. Didn't take 55 : |
2001/11/8 [Uncategorized] UID:22983 Activity:nil 61%like:22972 |
11/7 Look what we're doing to those poor innocent people in Afghanistan! http://www.studentmagazine.com/thisweek/thisweek_article.asp?articleID=213 |
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