9/10    lately sparse and bland awfully been has MOTD The. fuck the What?
        \_ Ask not what the motd can do for you.
           Ask what you can do for the motd.
           \_ this is one of the funniest retorts I've seen in the last
              couple of weeks!  -zapruder's #1 fan
        \_ Stop reversing my posts.

9/11    Misha, you are sexy                     misha #1 fan
        \_ My #1 fan position has already been filled.  But you can fill
           out an application for the fanclub.  -- misha

9/10    Why does OpenSSH default to "ForwardX11 no"?  Given X11's lack of
        encryption, isn't this the best way to do X11?
        \_ X programs can do more than just open windows on your desktop --
           they can also do things like capture images of your display (as
           xwd does) or intercept the keystrokes you type (as most window
           managers do).

           This means that, while it's safe to telnet to a random machine you
           don't trust -- it can't do anything to your local account -- it's
           *not* safe to ssh with X forwarding to a random machine, since
           that machine could (say) start monitoring the passwords you type
           into other windows.
        \_ Yes, but they believe X11 forwarding should be something you
           request as it can open security holes if you do it wrong.
           \_ So what can I do wrong when using SSH's X11 port forwarding
           \_ So what kind I do wrong when using SSH's X11 port forwarding
              that would open a security hole?
                \_ xhost +, which would then allow anyone on the remote machine
                   to snoop everything you type, completely destroying the
                   usefulness of ssh
                   \_ This doesn't make sense. Why would someone who is using
                      ssh want to use xhost at all and if you do "xhost +"
                      it shouldn't matter whether you use ssh or not because
                      either way there is a huge wide open hole at this point.
           \_ less things to try to hack.  period.

9/10    new Transformers cartoon, Saturdays @ 8 AM, weekdays @ 2:30 PM on Fox 2.
        unfortunately it seems more like Pokemon than the old school series.
        was the original gen1 series this dumb?

9/10    How can I start Xterm in XCeed? What is the start method? Thanks. - theo

9/11    Is there an RFC or something that defines a valid email address?
        Basically, I am wondering if using a plus sign "+" is Ok in the user
        name part of address.
        \_ Most definitely.  Sendmail calls the bit after the + "details" and
           delivers the mail to whatever's before the + on the local system.
           +'s are definitely valid email addr username chars, but some
           mailservers (or web registration systems more likely) don't accept
           them anyway.  --dbushong
           \_ but is this a standard or just sendmail specific thing?
              \_ RFC 821. Internet standard.
                 \_ Not. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc821.html
                    Where does it say anything about +? It's a sendmail
                    specific thing.

9/10    A friend of mine just spent a lot of money on a custom engagement ring.
        Sadly, last week his girlfriend broke up with him, and he doesn't know
        what to do with the ring.  It's a very personal design that his
        girlfriend asked for long ago (although she doesn't know that he had it
        made), so if he sold it off, she'd probably get really upset.  Besides,
        he's not even sure he can sell it because it's a very unique design.
        Anybody have any good ideas what to do with the ring?
       \- well is the issue about how to recoup some of the $? otherwise the
         only "ethical" question seems to be "should he let her know". if she
         doesnt know, i dont see where there are any ethical issues at all
        unless it is "customized" in some really peculiar way. now if she is
        just going tobe irrationally mad, i dunno if that really creates an
       obligation but that is an interesting meta-question [see e.g. the
         problem if the "utility monster"]. ok tnx. --psb
        \_ why would she be upset if he sold it?
           \_ more to the point, why should he care? unless he's hoping
              they get back together
        \_ all women are bitches
              \_ in which case he wouldn't sell it
        unless it is "customized" in some really peculiar way. --psb
        \_ all men are bitches
        \_ all women are evil hos who are never satisfied. Isay prostitues
           are cheaper in the long run and less troublesome
        \_ etiquette is if the guy breaks it off, _she_ gets tokeep the ring
           and do whatever she wants with it.  etiquette is if the woman
           breaks it off, _he_ gets to keep the ring and do whatever he wants
           with it.  so, according to etiquette, he may do whatever he wants
           to do with it (trade it, sell it, demolish it, etc.)  --chris

9/11    The airport security SUCKS. I mean, asking "Has anyone unknown
        to you asked you to carry anything on-board" is as effective as
        saying "have a nice day" and hope that it'll cure depression.

9/11    So... is this worse than Pearl Harbor?
        \_ If the casualties now is worse than Pearl Harbor and using the
           nuke was justified back then, wouldn't it make sense to justify
           using the nuke NOW?
        \_ The attack on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was not a punitive
           decision, it was to avoid an invasion of mainland Japan.
           Furthermore, the biological effects of nuclear radiation were
           poorly understood-- the H-bomb was thought to be just like a
           large chemical explosive.
           \_ I feel what you say but something on the order of "freeze all
              assets" sounds better to me.
           \_ Nuke what?
        \_ The numbers are the same or worse and they were almost all
           civilians rather than enlisted personnel. -ulysses
        \_ but who do you attack when it isn't a country that's responsible?
           \_ a country is harboring those responsible
              \_ lets say it is Afghanistan.  How in the world can
                 you attack except for maybe some retaliatory attacks.
                 China won't let us through.  And neither will the former
                 Soviet Union.  What do you do?
                 Soviet Union.  What do you do?  (actually, Pakistan may
                 let us through.
                 \_ do you think China or Russia (or nations formerly part of
                    the USSR) would be uncooperative with us about this?
                    \_ do you doubt it?
                       \_ I doubt any country will oppose military action
                          against Afghanistan.
                       \_ I'm naive, I guess, but I can't see any nation being
                          supportive or even desiring to appear supportive of
                          these terrorist attacks.
                          \_ Afghanistan (well, the Taliban) has already
                             denounced the attacks. Terrorists usually brag
                             about their attacks, not pretend that it wasn't
                             them.
        \_ No. This attack is a bloody media event. Pearl Harbor was a
           military strike planned to ensure Japanese control over the
           Pacific Ocean and East Asia. With PH, the whole west coast
           braced for a Japanese invasion and put tens of thousands in
           concentration camps out of fear. The Trade Center attack will
           hopefully not cause the same thing to happen.
        \_ Any question about where I stood on the Israeli-Palestinian
           question evaporated when thousands of Palestinians celebrated
           on the streets today shouting "God is Great".

9/11    Why does the motd keep on switching back and forth?

9/11    check news sources.  massive terrorist attacks .  nyc and washington.
        \_ commercial jets flown into both wtc towers and the pentagon.
           world trade center collapsed.
        \_ tv just said 2 more planes have been hijacked
           \_ One F-16 is already airborne waiting for order.  Also another
              hijacked plane hit Pittsburg, and anothter at Camp David.
              Didn't someone say they should
              hijacked plane hit Camp David.  Didn't someone say they should
              hijacked plane hit Pittsburg.  Didn't someone say they should
              install anti-aircraft weapons after that propeller plane landed
              on the White House lawn a while ago?  -- yuen
              \_ the white house does.
        \_ No warning from The CIA.  That lame agency should be overhauled.
           \_ NSA handles a much larger fraction of US inteligence operations
              and has many times larger budget.
              \_ fine, THAT lame agency should be overhauled too then.
           \_ NSA handles a much larger fraction of US inteligence operations\
         and has many times larger budget.
           \_ How do you know they gave no warning?
              \_ Well somebody f&%$ed up, now didn't they? --ulysses
        \_ so is there still class today?
           \_ No.
                \_ Yes.  Checkout http://www.berkeley.edu
        \_ I can't get through to the news sites?  Where can I see pictures
           of the "collapsed" WTC?  I've only see pictures of one tower
           smoking.  It's not possible for it to topple over just like that
           right?
           \_ http://www.sky.com/skynews/video
           \_ yahoo
        \_ thanks to Bush who pours billions of dollars into anti-missile
           defense and forgets about intelligence
           \_ Nothing has been put into anti-missile defense during the
              Bush admin.  I understand that you're ignorant and blindly
              hate all Republicans but at least base it on something that
              looks like a fact instead of whatever you made up in your
              little head.
           one tower at least partially collapsed.
           \_ One F-16 is already airborne.
           \_ One F-16 is already airborne waiting for order.  -- yuen
              hijacked plane hit Camp David.  -- yuen
        \_ The CIA is so lame.  It should be overhauled.
        \_ No warning from The CIA.  That lame agency should be overhauled.

        Stop nuking the motd.  Fucker.
        \_ I think it's part of the Osamed A Bin's effort

9/11    Good site: http://www.dal.net/wtc

        (out-of-date info removed by original poster)
        \_ reposted at the top; grep for "Emirates" for latest in suspect
           status

        Stop nuking the motd.  Fucker.
        \_ I think it's part of the Osamed A Bin's effort

9/11    "We heard earlier that Barbara Olson, a frequent commentator here, was
        on the flight that was going to Washington -- or has been hijacked to
        Washington. She called her husband and said that the hijacking was
        under way.

        She said that from what she could tell, the hijackers -- and she
        didn't indicate how many except that there was more than one -- were
        armed with just knives and cardboard cutters, that they herded all the
        people on board this flight to the back of the plane, including the
        pilot, and she asked her husband, the Solicitor General Ted Olson, who
        many of you will recall argued the post-election case before the
        Supreme Court, said to her husband, "what do I do?" And shortly after
        that, that plane, with Mrs. Olson and many more, crashed at the
        Pentagon."
        (if you don't have a tv, cnn has a "transcripts" section with stuff)
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9/11    How did terrorists get the airplanes to hit the WTC and Pentagon?
        Why would pilots crash a plane into those buildings considering that
        they probably knew that they were going to die anyways. Wouldn't it
        be better to just try to crash the airplane in a place where the number
        of casualties would be minimum? Or could it be that the terrorists had
        their own pilots? Also, any ideas about how terrorists could have gotten
        into the cockpit? Most airplanes these days should have armored
        cockpit doors. You can't get in there if the door is closed without
        blowing up the plane. Of course, the terrorists probably had all of
        those details planned well in advance..
        \_ man, just shut up.
        \_ Alright, I'm no investigator but I think what may have happened was
           that the hijacker(s) got into the cockpit by threatening one (or
           more) of the flight attendants with anything from butter knife to
           Swiss Army knife (which almost always pass security) to knock on
           the cockpit door; dragged and killed the pilot & 1st officer and
           piloted the plane himself. This is assuming that the jihad hijacker
           has knowledge of flying a commercial aircraft. I guess we won't
           know until the FAA release the cockpit-tower conversation during the
           crisis. I'm just pissed off and mad at this whole thing. - jthoms
           \_ It's NOT THAT HARD to pilot a stupid airliner for this.
              You punch coordinates into the autopilot to get you close,
              then tweak the controls a little for maximum impact at the end.
              It's not like you need to go to pilot school.
              \_ Perhaps, but it's not that hard to find a pilot in this
                 world, and it seems unlikely that people this organized
                 could be so poor that they wouldn't be able to afford training
                 of one sort or another.
                 world, and it seems unlikely that people that organized this
                 were so poor that wouldn't be able to afford training of
                 one sort or another.
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           Read paragraph 4. - jthoms
           \_ How the f**k did they get the pilot out of the cockpit?  Or
              let them take over the cockpit?
              \_ "if you don't let me in the cockpit i cut out lisa's entrails!"
                 actually i imagine they killed someone first for effect.
                 \_ Still not a reason to let them in. Better they knife
                    50 people than kill 25K.
        \_ I would assume that the hijackers killed the pilots.  No sane
           American pilot would have willingly steered a passenger jet into
           the WTC or the Pentagon.  News reports also stated that each of the
           jets hijacked had similar controls, so most likely the hijackers
           were trained to pilot the aircraft.
           \_ Does this mean that flight sims will now be outlawed?
           \_ Maybe they were holding the family of the pilot hostage.
              Or they might have bribed him or something. I think that
              they probably had guns, smuggled aboard by bribing a janitor
              or baggage handler. Hey if it works for drugs in miami,
              there is no reason it won't work for guns in nyc.
                 world, and it seems unlikely that people that organized this
                 were so poor that wouldn't be able to afford training of
                 one sort or another.
        \_ <DEAD>us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010911/ts/crash_tradecenter_pentagon_olson_dc_1.html<DEAD>
           Read paragraph 4. - jthoms

9/11    Good site: http://www.dal.net/wtc

9/11    Missile attack on Kabul reported, see Yahoo.
        \_ U.S. says it's not them
        \_ that's just afghans killing each other. no problem there.

9/11    Can we just fucking invade and bomb  somebody?  Anything to show that
        American can still kick ass and bomb people back into the stone age.
        Our nuclear weapons will expire soon, we better use them and not let
        them go to waste.  I say we start with the muslim countries.  Starting
        with A to Z.  Afghanistan.

9/11    Awhile back ago, someone mentioned netledge is a awful place to work at
        Is there some more detail on what's awful about working there? -- szs

9/11    Sept. 11 is 911

9/11    stop fucking censoring the motd today.  if you don't want to read it,
        DON'T READ THE MOTD.

9/11    The motd is at half mast.

9/11    nobody's interested in hearing about Transformers, huh?
        \_ transformers kick ass! I use them every day at work...not as
           awsome as a directional coupler, perhaps, but....oh never mind.
        \-grow up.

9/10    What are some last names that could be Asian, Caucasian, and Black?
        \_ Woods. Kill 3 birds with one stone.
        I'll start first:
        lee
        \_ The "Lee" among Chinese and Koreans are indeed the same last name.
           Of course this "Lee" is not actually related to the "Lee" among
           Caucasians and Blacks.  (Is that "Lee" short form of "Leland"?)
           \_ don't you know General Robert E. Lee was Chinese/Korean
        ???
        Park
        \_ What distinguishes Caucasian last names from Black? Unless you
           mean African?
           \- are there black lilas? [that sounds like a magic card].
           there are white, indian, middle eastern lilas. ok tnx --psb
        \_ Rosa Parks was black, not Korean.
                \_ And her last name was Parks, not Park.
                   \_ As written. Also, originally I wrote Park(s) to emphasize
                      the difference. Very similar names can be held by very
                      different racial groups.
        \_ Who really cares?
           \_ Just for fun.
        \_ -ian is common amongst Armenians.
           \_ The original poster was referring to Caucasian people as in the
              white race, not as in the people that live in the Caucasus, a
              mountainous region on the south of the eastern european Russia.
              As someone who was born in Caucasus, I do hate that Americans
              could not come up with a better term for "white people" -akopps
              \_ caucASIAN.
              \_ what about Chris Rock's suggestions, such as "yakoo" or
                 "honkaloid"?
        \_ Chandrasekhar