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2001/8/15 [Uncategorized] UID:22116 Activity:nil 50%like:22103
8/14    Where are nweaver's interesting hidden links? I'm looking for the
        one where he says he hates the industry.
2001/8/15 [Uncategorized] UID:22117 Activity:nil 66%like:21778
8/14    Do you want to live forever?
        yes ..
        no  ..
        \_ why not?
2001/8/15-16 [Uncategorized] UID:22118 Activity:nil
8/15    M$ Can't figure out PGP:
        http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/168397.html
2001/8/15-16 [Recreation/Dating, Health/Men, Health/Sleeping] UID:22119 Activity:nil
8/15    "In what is present-day Thailand, they were thrilled to discover
        that the local men were happy to allow their wives to entertain
        and even sleep with the visitors.":
        http://www.time.com/time/asia/features/journey2001
        \_ post a more specific url please... it's not on the cover page
2001/8/15-16 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:22120 Activity:nil
8/14    Could someone please repost the link to that article about the
        TCP/MS theory and how M$ is going to take over the internet?
        What were people's thoughts on this?
        \_ I found the link in a motd archive... still really curious to
           hear others' thoughts on it though.
           http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010802.html
        \_ Cringely was just reiterating stuff from Gibson.
           http://grc.com/dos/intro.htm
           http://grc.com/dos/sockettome.htm
2001/8/15-16 [Recreation/Media] UID:22121 Activity:nil
8/14    Is it me or has the "quality" of Arnold's movies
        reall gone downhill in the last few years? Watch
        the following before you post a response:
        http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/collateral_damage.html
        \_ looks good.  Arnie is always good about plugging current
           Right-Wing topics.
2001/8/15-16 [Uncategorized] UID:22122 Activity:nil
8/14    http://www.experimental-games.org
2001/8/15-16 [Reference/BayArea, Academia/Berkeley, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:22123 Activity:high
8/14    http://www.dailycal.org/article.asp?id=5834
        "Police Search Massage Parlor in Connection With Prostitution"
        So much for the local bordello.
        \_ only in berkeley would people be stupid enough to go to
           a place like that expecting a massage and "be shocked to find
           that massage was not the primary service offered."
        \_ That place has been in business for at least 10 years, when I
           first heard about it from a female-friend and probably
           before then. I think that's the place that always has
           the windows covered.
                \_ Established 1973
        \_ I had a good time there, that's one of the few things I'm going
           miss about Berkeley.
           \_ Like always, it'll be back. Just waiting for the heat to die down
              Come and visit later
              \_ not if those punks at http://adjectivity.com rent out the space
                 from under them!  Seems like every time a house of ill
                 repute goes down, adjectivity is there in it's place.
          \_ Can you elaborate on your experience there?
             \_ search google for "golden gypsy", find an interesting story.
             \_ You could close down Kip's,
                Or the Golden Bear,
                And nobody would care,
                But the heart and soul
                Of Berkeley's in
                Our Maison Derriere!
                \_ To shut it down now would be twisted,
                   We just heard this place existed!
                \_ oh, you mean the White Horse?
2001/8/15-16 [Computer/HW/Display] UID:22124 Activity:low
8/15    Anyone aware of any 3D companies besides NVidia and ATI and BitBoys
        which are still in business?
        \_ And you included BitBoys because of their stellar product line,
           right? Even though not in the gaming market anymore, Matrox is
           still more in the business than BitBoys ever hope to be.
        \_ there's also the folks who make the Kyro chips, and the cores,
           http://www.powervr.com 3dfx's tile renderer was supposed to come out
           around this time and would have stomped all over them though.
           Also, I guess you could consider Sony a "3D company" wrt playstation
2001/8/15-16 [Computer/SW/RevisionControl] UID:22125 Activity:high
8/15    Is there a cvs equivalent to the clearcase predecessor diff?
        I can do a cvs status, subtract 1 from the minor version and
        then do a cvs diff -r<version> but I'm looking for something
        built-in.
        \_ How exactly is that not built in?
        \_ If you want to diff your _working_ version to the latest checked
           in version, you can just say "cvs diff filename" (no revisions)
           Don't know if that helps...  --dbushong
           \_ I'm looking for something that tells me the difference
              between the latest version in cvs and its immediate
              predecessor. If someone else works on my code and commits
              say 1.3, while my last version was 1.2, I want to see the
              difference between these two versions. In clearcase you
              can just say ct diff -pred <file>.
              \_ Wouldn't it make MORE sense to branch this code so
                 that YOU knew what the prior version was?  --sowings
                 \_ In my situation branching isn't appropriate. I'm
                    sometimes stuck in a position where the latest rev
                    of a file breaks a particular feature, so I want
                    to know what all changed between the two revs so
                    its quicker for me to figure out where the problem
                    is and fix it. Its not a big deal, I went ahead
                    and wrote a little perl script that does my diffs
                    for me.
                    \_ This is why you set a commit policy. cvs doesn't
                       negate the need for communication.
                       \_ Can you set a commit policy on a particular
                    \_ No, [32mreallï[0m  --dbushong
                    \_ No, [32mreallM-o[0m  --dbushong
                          file/dir? I though it was per module only.
        \_ what we do is create a cvs wrapper program that adds extra
           features like that, and file locking. ours is just a perl script.
           \_ I asked around at work and it looks like I'm going to have
              do the same. I guess I'm just too used to a professional
              revision control system.
              \_ I mean that's definitely useful, but it's not under the
                 heading of a killer integral feature..  If you can easily
                 hack something that does it for you with a perl script
                 in 2 minutes, it's not overly important.  I tend to do my
                 diffs with cvsweb anyway; the colored thingy makes it much
                 easier to see at a glance what changed (and I'm not the type
                 that usually likes pretty colored things)  --dbushong
                 \_ Sure you aren't...
                    \_ No, [1;32mreally[0m  --dbushong
                 \_ I personally like the graphical version browser in cc.
                    Its much easier to use than that crufty cvsweb thing.
                    Its all the little things that I have to tack on to
                    cvs to make it more professional a la cc that annoy me.
               \_ there's always xdiff, if you can dig it up.
                  \_ I normally use diff -s (side by side, which doesn't
                     require X11 running)
                     \_ However, it requires GNU diff. And the flag conflicts
                        with standard diff.
                        \_ Doesn't solaris ship with sdiff (same as diff -s)?
2001/8/15-16 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:22126 Activity:moderate
8/15    security doesn't matter, my ass. Code red is running rampant on
        the financial aid office machines.  I wonder how much sensitive
        information can be grabbed from there.
        \_ It does matter, but not many people are willing to spend
           money on them.  I m very glad to see someone's finally pulled
           off code red just to make everyone aware network security
           is very important.
           \_ It hasn't raised enough awareness. The vast majority of
              Americans condone Microsoft for making such an insecure
              OS and accept the fact that worms and viruses are
              inevitable. If anything, Code Red is telling Americans
              that the time to deal with these problems is after the fact
              and that buggy software that requires a constant stream
              of security updates is acceptable.
2001/8/15 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:22127 Activity:very high
8/15    how does one officially quit the csua?
        \_ You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
        \_ you can mildly offend any officer and that'll get rid of you.
           But dont try censoring the MOTD, that'll never get you squished.
           \_ it'll get you squished if you're not on the politburo.  if
              you're paolo, it won't.  -tom
           \_ I am using my first amendment right to disagree with tom.
              \_ And I am using my second amendment rights to shoot you in the
                 head.  Nothing personal.
              \_ not to mention censor my posts, eh paolo?  What an
                 idiot.  -tom
        \_ i don't believe there is a formal quit policy.  You can probably
           just ask the pburo to rm your directory. - paolo (who actually
           tries to answer the question without libeling others)
           \_ I am expressing my first amendment right to disagree with tom.
2001/8/15-16 [Finance/Investment] UID:22128 Activity:kinda low
8/15    Is the Dow or the S&P500 a better indication of the state of the stock
        market?  S&P500 has far more components than the Dow, but it seems like
        everybody is talking about the Dow instead.
        \_ the S&P is weighted for market cap, so it's not really more
           representative than the Dow
        \_ Use the Wilshire Index (one of them).  The Total Stock Market
           Index.  If its among S&P 500 and Dow, choose S&P instead.
2001/8/15-16 [Politics/Domestic/California, Recreation/Dating] UID:22129 Activity:very high
8/15    I'm curious about alimony and child support.  In general how long
        does one pay these things?  I assume child support is up until the
        kid(s) are 18?  As for alimony?  You don't pay that for the rest of
        your life do you?  BDG?  Do you care to comment?  Thanks.
        \_ The comments posted below are true, provided you get a hearing
           in a court where the judge is interested in justice rather than
           promoting her communist lesbian feminazi agenda despite knowing
           that your ex-wife is a lying cheating heartless slut.
           In some states you can get stuck paying for a long time, until
           she gets married to some other poor dumb slob.
           And she will her quit her job before submitting the paperwork
           for a divorce so she can claim in court that you are her only
           source of income thus get a bigger and longer settlement. She
           will also add on charges of physical and mental abuse along
           with stories of your philandering in order to get more of your
           stuff, including assets which belonged to you before you two
           were married.
           Take my adivce, don't get married. If you do get married, get
           a prenup and make a good solid trust before you get married.
           And *WHEN* you get divorced, make sure who hire a better lawyer
           than she does. It doesn't matter that he costs $500/hr, its
           much cheaper than paying her way for the rest of your life.
            \_ He's back with us! Don't stay away so long next time!
               -- BDG #1 fan
               \_ Is BDG one person, or a set like-minded individuals?
               \_ I posted the other day, but I toned down the message
                  so you might have missed it.
        \_ It depends on the state.  In California, alimony is extremely
           rare; CA is a community property state, which means that any
           property acquired after the beginning of the marriage is owned
           50% by each party, and will be split that way after the divorce.
           Alimony only comes into play if one partner, for example,
           never had a career because she stayed home to take care of the
           kids.  Child support is negotiable, sometimes includes college,
           doesn't have to.  (Are you going to delete this, too, paolo?) -tom
           \_ tom, quit trolling me... 'nuff said, i leave you all to
              your "discussion." - paolo
              \_ Paolo are you "flaming" tom again?
           \_ My buddy got nailed with 12 months of alimony, 15 years
              of child support (ok, the latter was not 'nailed with').
           \_ Alimony is actually not rare in California, and does not have
                to do only with the reasons that Tom suggests. In general,
                a "standard of living" is created during a marriage. If,
                after a divorce, one party will be living at substantially
                below the married standard of living than alimony may be
                appropriate. For short term marriages (less than 10 years),
                alimony generally has a maximum length of 50% of the time
                span of the marriage, so if your buddy had a 2-year marriage,
                1 year of alimony was extremely appropriate, according to the
                law. If his marriage was longer, he got off easy.
                Knowledge is always a solution to ignorance. Go read
                "How to Do Your Own Divorce in California" by Nolo Press.
                Cody's has copies. --Phillip "Edward" Nunez
                \_ Heeeeey -- is Bitter Divorced Guy your alter ego???
                   \- so is alimony level "renegotiated" if the paying party
                   is laid off from $100,000+ job -> unemplyment? How about if
                   he/she quits? ok tnx --psb
                        \_ my dad was forced to go back to work after being
                           laid off from AT+T.  (He's now at SAP).  -tom
2001/8/15-16 [Computer/HW/Laptop] UID:22130 Activity:high
8/15    I'm about to buy a $3,000 laptop.  Any recommendations on insurance
        from theft?  Thanks!
        \_ put a big sticker on it saying "Packard Bell"
           \_ Didn't NEC fold them long ago? Doesn't make sense to pretend
              to still use one of these.
        \_ put a big sticker saying DELL. No one steals DELL, they suck
           to much.
           \_ why so anti-dell?  I think dells r r4d!  i would never get
              a toshiba, compaq, hp, or sony, and thinkpads are too $$$.
              \_ is this supposed to be facetious?
                 \_ no.,  the statement is asserted this way so you
                    understand that the opinion is not authoritative.
                    besides, a replacement laptop is being bought because
                    the owner's dell got his stolen out of his car (no joke).
           \_ onsite repair is nice.
              \_ how exactly do they repair it on site if it's not a software
                 issue?
2001/8/15-16 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:22131 Activity:high
8/15    the new netscape 6.1 is rad! download it today!
        \_ This is a troll, right...
        \_ After using Netscrape for many many years I promise myself to
           not go ballistic again. I'll stick to IE, thank you.
        \_ Could you expand on this? What platform are you on?
           Is it finally not dog slow? I'm acutally pretty happy with
           OmniWeb...
           \_ I'm still waiting for the graphite mode patch which speeds
           \_ If you want stable and fast used 4.76 or 4.78. 6.1 isn't
              it up considerably.
        \_ How is it compared to 4.77 in terms of speed, memory usage and
           stability?
           \_ If you want stable and fast use 4.76 or 4.78. 6.1 isn't
              very stable or fast.
              \_ 4.78?  Gee, I just installed the then-latest 4.77 not long
                 ago.  Why did you recommend 4.76 (and 4.78) over 4.77?
                 \_ 4.77 has problems with JScript and Java along with
                    frameset rendering issues (our test group found
                    repeatable crashes with javascript in hidden frames).
                    These problems don't exist in 4.76 or 4.78. I recommend
                    4.76 because its been out for a while and is reasonably
                    stable. 4.78 seems to fix the problems with 4.77 and
                    is somewhat faster but since it hasn't been out very
                    long, I don't know about the stability, which is why
                    I listed both.
2001/8/15-16 [Recreation/Food] UID:22132 Activity:high
8/15    Anyone interested in meeting some new people today?  I'm signed
        up to go to dinner with a group of 6 people with the berkeley
        dinner club (kind of like the "table for 6" idea, but free) at
        Zaika (Indian food), 7 pm.  I have a schedule problem, and can't
        make it, so I'm looking for a substitute.  It's fun!  Email me
        if you want the details. -dlwhite
        \_ Are you obsessed with plants?
           \_ Yes.  You may also email me with any of your horticultural
              questions.  I may even be giving some plants away soon,
              depending on where I move. -dlwhite
              \_ My peperomia keeps getting all chlorotic and looking
                 sickly and stuff.  I water it (sparingly) I fertilize
                 it, etc on a regular basis.  Why won't it give me any
                 love?
2001/8/15-16 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Compilers] UID:22133 Activity:moderate
8/15    Is there a way in C to specify that I want a particular enum type
        to be one byte or something small instead of the size of an int?
                typedef enum {ME_FOO, ME_BAR} my_enum_t;
                my_enum_t myVar;
                myVar = ME_FOO;
        I saw that gcc has an option "-fshort-enums", but I'm looking for a
        compiler-independent way, preferably in the source code itself.
        Another possible way is to do this instead
                unsigned char myVar;    /* It's really my_enum_t. */
                myVar = (unsigned char) ME_FOO;
        But that's ugly, plus "sizeof(my_enum_t)" is still the size of an int.
        Thanks in advance.  -- yuen
        \_ if you read your K&R you see that this is left implementation
           dependent.  You have to use a compile pragma, or just use the
           constants and not the enum type.  BTW I saw witort today. -- pld
           \_ Hi Paul!  I never noticed pld was you until you mentioned witort!
              -- yuen
        \_ There's no portable way to do this in ANSI C (C++ doesn't force
           a particular size either -- just a minimum size, AFAIK).
           The following hack might be your best option:
               enum my_enum_t_literals { ME_FOO, ME_BAR };
               typedef unsigned char my_enum_t;
               my_enum_t x; x = ME_FOO; /* Works, no warnings */
           sizeof (my_enum_t) is 1 in this case.  And the intent is
           clear from the naming convention.  -- misha.
           \_ i don't see anywhere in the standard that an enum CAN
              be converted to char. only int and larger (including float).
              i believe that implies that the compiler is free to
              issue a warning. but it would have to be a pretty
              stupid compiler.
              \_  Enum constants are the same as int constants (K&R2 A8.4),
                  and you can assign int to char in C.  Compilers might
                  give warnings if the value doesn't fit, which shouldn't
                  happen here.  C is liberal about primitive conversions,
                  which has some upsides (see Kahan's page about Java) -- misha.
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