8/13    What's the cheapest long distance carrier to use, if you know
        exactly who you are going to call long distance?
        \_ the one with the cheapest rates (and monthly) for that person. -duh

8/12    Two groups on the lowest rung of the marriage market -
        Asian males and black females. Also the rarest mixed couple
        \_ don't forget dumpy white chicks
        \_ Troll.
           \_ the truth stinks, doesn't it? i say we overthrow the white man
              \_ the only asian guys who dont get any are the nerds who
                 dont make any effort to attract women. which are basically
                 almost all of the cs/engineering asian boys. elsewhere,
                 asian guys are everywhere, ive seen at least half the number
                 of asian males dating white girls as the number of
                 asian girls dating white guys. I think its all a matter
                 that asian girls are the most aggresively pursued by men
                 of all races.
        \_ All white guys want or wish they had an asian girlfriend.
           everywhere i go, when an asian girl passes by, every white guy
           is staring in awe. im sure the white guys wouldnt mind if all the
           asian guys stepped aside and let them at the girls, too bad
           it doesnt work that way
           \_ deluded on two counts: 1) most white guys don't care about
              asian women. white chicks are way hotter. 2) white guys are more
              sexy to asian women.

8/12    Contest for free Toyota at Hooters:
        http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010811/us/toy_yoda.html

8/12    Are there any precedent on lawsuits regarding copying a web site?
        The obvious stuff like logo are copyrighted.  But what about all
        other generic graphics and the javascript?  All those are freely
        downloadable.  I'm wondering if anybody ever got sued because they
        basically downloaded somebody's site and changed the logos and graphics
        and obviously the content a little.
        \_ ebay recently sued bidbay over this type of thing
        \_ legally dubious. But obviously wrong ethically. Why do it and
           cause trouble and bad karma for yourself or your business?
           Unless you are talking graphics like the blue dot or code that
           is readily supplied as example code, it would be inappropriate.
        \_ You're better than this.  Right?

8/12    The revolution will not be televised
        \_ Your revolution will not be between these thighs.
           \_ Golly, you're so indie rock!  -pld
                \_ 10 points if yu can name the "thigh" song, pld
              \_ sleater-kinney!!1!!
                 \_ <DEAD>applied.demonics.org/~kinney/forum/index.php<DEAD>
              \_ More like indie jazz (Gil Scott Heron)
        \_ Damn right.  It'll be streamed multicast over the Internet 2.
           \_ There's no "the" you dork. It's "over Internet 2."
            \_ Sheesh! Who´ the dork here, eh? -not the original poster

8/13    Does anyone have the announcement of a class about fractals etc. posted
        to http://ucb.org.csua?  Is there an archive of the group? (google doesn't
        have it)  Thanks.
        \_ why was this post purged?
           \_ I searched a little harder and found the answer on my own.
              I'm still curious about the archive though -- does it exist?
        \_ The course URL was:
           http://www.ce.berkeley.edu/~hermanowicz/e101/e101_index.htm
           Email me privately if you want me to reforward the entire message
           (don't want to dump it all in the motd).
                  -alexf, The Original Forwarder
           \_ OF, kinda like OG.
              \_ you should keep explaining other peoples' jokes. it
                will make you cool.

8/13    here's an old hat:
        http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010802.html

8/13    First Apple fought the MHz Myth, now its AMD's turn:
        <DEAD>netscape.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5095403,00.html<DEAD>
        \_ Unfortunately, most people in this country have never taken a
           class like CS 152 and just can't grasp this concept. As a
           result most people believe that a chip with higher clock speeds
           is automatically faster than one with a lower frequency. What's
           worse is that Steve Jobs actually said something right for once
           making the "MHz myth" less credible.
           \_ People who care about cars know the difference between HP
              and torque. People who care about computers will understand
              the important criteria for CPUs. Don't sweat it.
        \_ not to be jaded, but, whoop-pe-de-doo-dah
        \_ You dont need to take cs152.  You just need to understand that
           AMD Athlons or IBM/Motorola PPC's get more done each cycle than
           an Intel Pentium-whatever.  It can use less cycles to get the
           same amount of work done, and by using less cycles, use less
           an Intel Pentium-whatever.  It can use fewer cycles to get the
           same amount of work done, and by using fewer cycles, use less
           power -- saving the environment, increasing the lifetime of the
           chip, and saving the skin of your lap from being burned off by
           a wasteful overheated CPU.
           \_ That's 'fewer' cycles, you dumbass.  Geez, no wonder they
              make engineers take E190.
              \_ The name is Dumass.
              \_ fine so I wrote this w/o the morning caffeine.  does more
                 with less work.  more efficient.  good enough peon?
        \_ My Celeron 400MHz at home is almost twice as slow as my P-II
           350MHz at my previous job.  Why can't AMD run an ad to say that MHz
           is just like RPM on a car engine, that it's not the RPM that counts
           but how fast a car can go at the given RPM that counts?  One engine
           rev on a 6-cyliner can move the car more inches than one engine rev
           on a 4-cyl, so a 6-cyl car can be going faster than a 4-cyl car at
           a particular moment even though the RPM on the 4-cyl is higher at
           that time.  One difference between CPUs and engines is that CPUs
           runs at a constant clock rate, so the ad may need to compare the car
           speeds with the engines at their red lines, assuming that they can
           find two cars that are capable to reach their red lines at their
           top gears and the red line on the 6-cyl is lower than that on the
           4-cyl.  --- yuen
           \_ Have you used both CPUs on -identically- configured systems?
              \_ No.  --- yuen
           \_ People have been suggesting this very idea to sjobs@apple.com
              for several years. I think the main problem with it is that
              the average pc buyer has no idea what RPMs are. The only possible
              good that will come of this idea (if implemented) is that people
              will want cars with more RPMs and Honda stock holders will benefit.
              \_ Oh, I forgot that most people drive automatic these days.
                 --- yuen
                 \_ "Making life more difficult is always better!"(tm)
                    \_ That's why they invented computers, man.
           \_ My Celeron 300 (oc'd to 450) is faster than my PII 400Mhz...

8/13    In Clearcase, how do I find all the views created by a particular user?
        \_ ct lsview | grep hozer   only works on a particular server.
           Repeat as necessary.
           \_ But that works only if either the view name or the view server
              access path contains the login name of the user as a substring.

8/13    Sun takes the Java fight public:
        http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6839693.html?tag=tp_pr

8/13    If an employer overpays one of its employees by mistake, what option
        does the employer have, legally and not so legally? --ricky
        \_ For direct deposit, most employers will simply ask the bank to
           deduct the extra amount or they will just nullify the transaction.
           If the employee has already spend the money or doesn't have direct
           deposit, most employers will simply work out an arrangement with
           the employee to give out smaller paychecks until the extra amount
           is "worked off". In cases where the employee leaves the company
           before the amount is refunded, the employer can hold up options
           transactions and/or sue in court.
           \_ Can you please give believable circumstances where the employee
              has rights to the money?  That's what we pay you for.
           \_ What if they paid out too much for the bonus of some sort and
              didn't realize it for 30 days, 60 days, 6 months, etc.  Isn't
              there some kind of time limit for them to correct it under the
              law?
              \_ There is a limited amount of time for the employer to "recall"
                 the payment. After that period the money is yours. If you are
                 still working for the company and want to continue working for
                 them its probably in your best interest to give the money back
                 (or at least a significant percentage of it). If you have left
                 the company, they may still ask for it back provided the amount
                 is large enough. You don't have to give it back, but it is in
                 your best interest to work something out, because if they sue
                 you, it will probably bankrupt you to defend yourself.
        \_ http://www.goodthink.com/$$tablecontents.html
           Story of cashing a junk mail check with references to statutes of
           limitations.  -linc
           \_ My god, this is hilarious.  Thanks for the link!

8/13    Anyone know what happened to godzilla.eecs (more specifically, SOAR?)
        \_ I thought SOAR moved off site under a new name.
           \_ Great. Anyone know the name?
           \_ Great. Anyone know the address?
              \_ http://www.recipesource.com
                 \_ Great, thank you!
                 \_ running Apache/1.3.19 (Unix) on Solaris 8
                        \_ So?  Why do you care what it runs?

8/13    Edlin is the standard!  Seriously, just wondering who has
        used edlin before.
        \_ oh baby yeah.  my dad taught me edlin when i was 10 or so.  it
           was easier than the funky diskedit clone he'd use for other things.
           --scotsman
        \_ I have... -geordan
           \_ I suppose you were using a pre-"edit" DOS version?
              \_ I remember editting autoexec.bat and config.sys with
                 edlin.  That must have been in the DOS 3.x era.
              \_ Yes.  Boy, when "edit" came out (yeah, it was qbasic,
                 but no one really cared) it was like a whole new world.
                 Much better than the treebark I used to use.  And I liked
                 it.  I loved it.  -geordan
                 \_ ditto.  DOS 3.x or before had no edit.  edit was so
                    cool.  What was the last official dos version?  6.11?
                    \_ 6.3?
                    \_ There was PC DOS 7.1.  Don't know about MS-DOS.
        \_ I vaguely remember back in the pre-"edit" days I used something
           else other than edlin to change config.sys and autoexec.bat, but
           I forgot what program it was.  I think I used edlin only once or
           twice.
           \_ copy con c:foo.sys and then hit ctrl-z when done - paolo
              \_ The truly lazy hit F6. -geordan

8/13    For the geek who has it all:
        http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/20981.html

8/13    What are some of nweaver's cool hidden links under
        http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~nweaver  ???
        \_ http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~nweaver/girlz
           \_ Goddamn!  The boy has exceptionally good taste!
           \_ "UCB CS: File not Found"
                \_ Sorry, the department made me take down the
                   HOT WET NEKKED BABES OF CS PAGE.  -nweaver
                   \_ Man, Yelick must've been pissed when she found out you
                      had that shot of her....
                   \_ do you have any of Jane Yen or Allison Coates?
        \_ "let us assume that 1 million machines are vulnerable a particular"
                                                             \_ ^to
        \_ Where's the "Computer Scientists are Artisans, Industry SUX"
           link and the "We're vulnerable to computer virus" link?

8/13    war is over.  xcf loses 311 soda.
        \_ XCF hasn't produced a piece of useful product since Gimp and those
           days are long over.
           \_ The star of XCF will rise again.  -- misha.
        \_ i remember reading an interview with pete and spencer that
           said "we didn't write the gimp in the xcf really, and
           the xcf was a big distraction anyway"
           \_ it produced vadim and his empire of warez!
           \_ Gimp was a useful product?
              \_ here here.  gimp is lame.  What was useful was the research
                 done by lapsley && co to fight the morris worm.
                 \_ very droll
           \_ Yeah! Those XCF lusers... the CSUA on the other hand has produced
              ... uh... nevermind.
              \_ Try reading the charter, dimwit. The CSUA never claimed to
                 produce anything.           [ restored ]
                 \_ So you're saying, "Because the CSUA has never aspired to
                    anything, it's better than the XCF which aspired to some-
                    thing and failed"?
                    \_ No, idiot, I'm saying that the CSUA has lived up to
                       its charter; your comparison is silly.
                        \_ You mean the CSUA's charter is something more than
                           what the XCF did? They seem the same to me, a club
                           with a bunch of yammering members, and people who
                           don't give a damn.
                           \_ The XCF's charter claimed they were something
                              different than what they did in practice.  In
                              practice they have recently acted in a fashion
                              similar to the recent CSUA, but with a limited
                              membership.
        \_ Vadim wins: FATALITY?